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As much as I've wanted Punk to turn heel, I can't help but feel that SD! is not the best place to do that. Punk could easily be overshadowed by Edge and Jericho, because they're just so damn good.
If he can become top heel over those two, then I don't think the WWE could ever deny Punk main event status. Now if they moved him over to Raw, that would be a different story. They have fuck all in the way of heels.

At 6/11/09 08:38 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: As much as I've wanted Punk to turn heel, I can't help but feel that SD! is not the best place to do that. Punk could easily be overshadowed by Edge and Jericho, because they're just so damn good.
If he can become top heel over those two, then I don't think the WWE could ever deny Punk main event status. Now if they moved him over to Raw, that would be a different story. They have fuck all in the way of heels.

I disagree.
RAW has Orton + priceless, big show and miz.
Smackdown is the best place for it as they only have two credible heels.

I am not a CM Punk fan and I've watched the heel promos everyone raves about him doing prior to joining WWE. I just can't see what there is to like about him.

Everyone seems to want to see a hardy/punk feud, but at the end of the day you know Hardy would win and come away with the title only lose it to edge again.

Omg, I feel so at home here. I love wrestling! And to think there's a forum just for it! Anyways, I wish there were more girls that watch it. At my school this one girl and I were pretty much the only ones who watched it. I haven't watched it in awhile not since the draft.
So what has happened in WWE since the draft?

At 6/11/09 02:02 PM, Shaun wrote: I disagree.
RAW has Orton + priceless, big show and miz.

Big show will never be a top star. He'll always just be fodder for John Cena to get some impressive spots in on. The Miz has a long way to come to be anywhere near the top level. Priceless are just the henchmen for Orton, who is boring and should get off my TV. He doesn't belong anywhere above the midcard. I mean, Raw has Matt Hardy too, but I can't see him ever being elevated to top heel.

Edge and Y2J are actually good in their roles, can put on a decent match too, and they'll probably piss all over CM Punk.

I am not a CM Punk fan and I've watched the heel promos everyone raves about him doing prior to joining WWE. I just can't see what there is to like about him.

I haven't seen any of his heel promos, but he has some major competition in the department, whereas anything he did would probably come off as looking fresh compared to most of the shit on Raw.

Everyone seems to want to see a hardy/punk feud, but at the end of the day you know Hardy would win and come away with the title only lose it to edge again.

The way they book Punk... yeah.

At 6/11/09 03:48 PM, pwnasuarusrex4real1 wrote: So what has happened in WWE since the draft?

RAW
Kofi Kingston on is the New US Champ
Big Show and John Cena are fueding, The Miz has been thrown in the mix too
Vickie Guerrero recently resigned as GM, Edge berated her
Hornswoggle and Goldust have been together as a tag team, feuding with The Brian Kendrick
Kennedy had one comeback match, then was suddenly released.

Smackdown!
Punk on smackdown is now the World Heavyweight Champion and is in the process of turning heel most likely
The Worlds Greatest Tag Team have been reunited on SD! feuding against John Morrison
Chris Jericho is the new IC Champ
Dolph Ziggler is in a feud with The Great Khali
Kane has barely been seen

ECW
Gregory Helms is a backstage announcer, but it's recently hinted that he'll returning as The Hurricane
Vladimir Kozlov has just been squashing jobbers, but judging by the recent ECW, it seems that they're turning him face.
Zach Ryder has an all new look and has a new "tool" gimmick, he still shouts "WOO WOO WOO!"
DH Smith, Natalya and Tyson Kidd have all teamed up to make the new Hart Foundation, but calling it 'The Hart Dynasty'

Hmm. So yeah. Punk is champion I guess. Have to see Friday on Smackdown how he boasts about his victory. and if Edge is gonna have on of his hissy fits. Never gets old, actually it does, where does WWE get these stupid story line's from? They are epic fail and old as rusty nails. We need some new stories.

Here is the reason why Umaga got released.

At 6/11/09 05:17 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Big show will never be a top star. He'll always just be fodder for John Cena to get some impressive spots in on. The Miz has a long way to come to be anywhere near the top level. Priceless are just the henchmen for Orton, who is boring and should get off my TV. He doesn't belong anywhere above the midcard. I mean, Raw has Matt Hardy too, but I can't see him ever being elevated to top heel.

Agreed on all points. The heels of RAW are in no way strong because Vince is the ultimate editor to RAW and his feeling is you can beat heels down over and over and because their heels it's ok because the fans are supposed to not like them. Not to mention most of these guys you've mentioned (with the exception of Miz) have done about 5 bajillion push/depush situations over the years so how well built are they really? Like I say, RAW's heel side looks weak as sin, and Orton is a joke thanks to the booking.

Edge and Y2J are actually good in their roles, can put on a decent match too, and they'll probably piss all over CM Punk.

I don't think so, they have never been said to be the kind of guys that will try to undermine a guy. This comes back to if they are committed to elevating Punk. Also, Edge is turning face, we know he's turning face. The signs are everywhere, it's a question of when not if. So that limits the top heel field a little for Punk there as well. Also if Jericho is distracted by Rey, it eliminates direct competition between the two. Punk is a very strong heel I believe, and properly pushed I believe he will be right up there with Edge, that is my personal belief. I think he can do this unless they fuck this up and "Orton" him.

I am not a CM Punk fan and I've watched the heel promos everyone raves about him doing prior to joining WWE. I just can't see what there is to like about him.

Really? Obviously we have a different perspective then man, and we want different things from our wrestling heels. Punk's ROH character was what Punk brought, but with elements of ECW Raven thrown in there, and they're feud was great. That's the thing, it wasn't just the promos, but it was the body of work that went with it at that point in time that really makes me believe Punk can easily headline as a heel if the company is behind him and gives him the opportunity to try.

I haven't seen any of his heel promos, but he has some major competition in the department, whereas anything he did would probably come off as looking fresh compared to most of the shit on Raw.

Not to mention, it's very easy for Punk to flip that switch in this case and sort of take a nod from Jericho and say "I'm straight edge! I'm a freakin role model! But all you wanna do is cheer for a loser and screw up like Jeff Hardy! I'm sick of this, straight edge means I'm better then you and from now on it's all about me". Simple, and effective. I would even like to see him and Jericho form a sort of alliance out of this too. Not a tag team necessarily, but just we see something where they see the similarities they share and make a commitment to watch out for each other against all the hypocrites and conspiracy that would be against them. That could be fantastic and very very fresh.

Everyone seems to want to see a hardy/punk feud, but at the end of the day you know Hardy would win and come away with the title only lose it to edge again.

I don't actually, because I don't know that Jeff is sticking around. If he isn't, then there's a lot of ways to go, the obvious one is run Jeff out, then you can go to a situation where Edge can either initiate a heel vs. heel program with Punk complaining he wanted to run Jeff out and Punk stole his oppurtunity, or Edge has remorse and says "I thought I wanted him gone, but now I realize...I respected Jeff Hardy, we took each other to the limit for 10 years, and we made each other. Now you take him out? Somebody like you? No way, now you deal with me" and goes face. There's so much potential on SD! right now for some fresh programs and matches, and that's really what WWE needs right now.

The way they book Punk... yeah.

The way they booked him on RAW and ECW. The booking of him on SD! since the draft has actually been quite good, and the fact is he got MITB this year because they WANTED him to, not because somebody messed up and they had to give it to someone.

Why the hell are there different people booking & writing for each individual brand? There should be ONE GOOD TEAM of people in charge of the whole franchise, not one good one, one okay one, and one suckfest one.

At 6/11/09 11:57 PM, LordKooler wrote: Here is the reason why Umaga got released.

Awwww, and I was hoping it WOULDN'T be drug-related for once.....

Ok, whoever had me calling him Jamal gets a kick in the ass - EDWARD is WAAAAAY off of Jamal.

At 6/12/09 02:12 AM, Assi9 wrote: Why the hell are there different people booking & writing for each individual brand? There should be ONE GOOD TEAM of people in charge of the whole franchise, not one good one, one okay one, and one suckfest one.

There's too much TV for just one team to book it. But what we've really learned is that when you get Vince to have less influence (ECW and SD!) you get some pretty good shows, when he has basically full control (RAW) you get bland, uninteresting junk. If Vince would just take himself out of creative and trust the people her hired to do the work, he might be getting better results, but it seems like this won't happen until Vince is somehow incapacitated and unable to be at TV every week.

At 6/11/09 11:57 PM, LordKooler wrote: Here is the reason why Umaga got released.

kinda similar to another wrestler's release back in 03 huh?

Smackdown! was a good show tonight, I also like that Punk is basically rolling as kind of a tweener right now. With the announcers and other folks defending him but his actions not working out in Jeff Hardy's favor. Really looking at the booking it almost seems like they could make an attempt to make Jeff a heel....which ya know, would fail miserably I think because there's too many people that will just like Jeff no matter what. But I was very happy with the way the SD! main event picture is shaping up, and if they are going to be turning Punk or anybody else here it's nice that they are taking their time with it and not rushing the process.

Saw most of SD tonight, albeit being slightly distracted (an easy task for me). :/ It doesn't seem like Punk's even a tweener quite yet - more like an......'anti-face' (still a face, but slightly questionable). Hard to tell which way this is all going to go atm.

I wonder just how long this Ziggler / Khali feud is going to continue......at least they had Ziggler win somewhat cleanly, yet w/o suddenly making Khali 'job' out (which they HAVE done).

At 6/12/09 10:33 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Really looking at the booking it almost seems like they could make an attempt to make Jeff a heel....which ya know, would fail miserably I think because there's too many people that will just like Jeff no matter what.

yeh remember when they attempted to turn him heel a few months before he got released in 03? i think it lasted for a total of 2 or 3 weeks..

Whats up my fellow wrestling fans... I came to bring you what i have heard as of late. Basista may not be injured but wwe is covering up for a drug violation?

According to their report concerning Batista's injury, he suffered a completely torn left biceps requiring surgery that will keep him out of action for at least four months - not a torn tendon.

A full fledged muscle tear is much more serious than a tendon tear, so something's clearly not adding up. If he did indeed suffer a torn tendon like his official website is saying, the amount of ring time he would miss would be considerably less.

Among some of the wrestlers, there has been plenty of skepticism over the true severity of his injury. The injury supposedly occurred over three weeks ago, but he had been working television, pay-per-views, and live events without any sort of tape on his arm whatsoever, let alone showing any signs of an injury. If the biceps tear was serious, and people within WWE are claiming it was serious enough for him to get surgery two days after his championship victory, it would certainly have been taped up. If the injury was not serious enough to require tape, one would think there would be no need for surgery.

Even partially torn biceps injuries are taped up, but considering WWE is saying he suffered a full fledged muscle tear, it makes the severity of his injury all the more suspicious.

At Monday's Raw in Lafayette%u200E, the wrestlers were told his injury was legitimate and he was having surgery the next day. However, the talk among wrestlers in the locker room is that his injury angle on Raw was a cover-up to have him avoid being suspended due to a violation of the company's drug testing policy.

Did anyone hear if Rey is actually leaving the company? Becuse it does not sound like him. I just hope not..they realy need some top guys right now. Raw really only has randy and HHH right now as maineventers.... Cena is in some random fueds with the bigshow and is being lowere out of the maineven as of late.

For WWE's sake it better not be a drug related incident with Batista. If one of their top guys is gettng wellness violations it really hurts the company.

SD was indeed really good last night. I liked what they did with Punk and the situation between him Hardy and Edge. It came off great on TV and the angle is believeable. Punk's match with Jericho was really good too.

I also enjoyed the tag match between R-Truth/Morrison vs. TWGTT. Lots of good spots and action. Good stuff.

I seriously doubt Batista is away because of drug problems, or at the very least I don't believe the WWE would cover it up entirely if he was. They've made alot of progress with their wellness program, and to cover something up at this point would ruin any integrity they'd managed to build from the program.

I'd say the confusion comes from the blurred lines between Batista's injury and how they portrayed the injury. The reality is, Batista suffered a torn tendon, which isn't as bad as a torn bicep, but from the injury angle on Raw they sold it as a torn bicep. This was to sell the severity of the beating from legacy.

You have to remember WWE has a TV show to produce, so when someone goes down to injury, they have to try and make the most they can out of the situation, which was in this case getting heat on Orton.

I would comment on Batista's violation allegations, but everyone else has already said pretty much what I was going to say already.

At 6/13/09 02:30 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: For WWE's sake it better not be a drug related incident with Batista. If one of their top guys is gettng wellness violations it really hurts the company.

This is also not a good time to get a violation or even a injury of one of there top guys because they are running low as of late it just seems like there are so meny midcarders and jobbers theres not enough maineventers the people they think about pushing are getting fired :::ie Mr kennedy:::

SD was indeed really good last night. I liked what they did with Punk and the situation between him Hardy and Edge. It came off great on TV and the angle is believeable. Punk's match with Jericho was really good too.

I have to agree i did enjoy smackdown this week another good show. I though they were going to try to beef up raw, but it seems to be going the other way i find my self changeing the channels between matches. Oh i forgot to say this in my last post that soon they are't going to have commercials between matches or at all a stright run of 2 hours of wrestling. This could be very good or vince will fill the voids with stupid shit.

At 6/13/09 11:59 AM, idiot-buster wrote: Whats up my fellow wrestling fans... I came to bring you what i have heard as of late. Basista may not be injured but wwe is covering up for a drug violation?

No, I don't buy it. Jeff Hardy is a big merchandise seller and was going to be made a headliner last year when he failed a wellness test before Mania. WWE got out in front of it and announced his violation, and suspended him. They totally changed their plans based around Jeff's incident and I think they would do the same with Batista. The only two people in that company I would buy the possibility that they'd cover for on a drug failure are Cena and H. Batista is a big name, but there's all those rumors he may retire soon, so I just don't buy it.

According to their report concerning Batista's injury, he suffered a completely torn left biceps requiring surgery that will keep him out of action for at least four months - not a torn tendon.

Yes, but if you check out PWInsider they have reported that they are saying complete tear because it makes Legacy's attack seem more brutal and devastating. I think it's a load because it's not like they're suddenly going to book that trio as a bunch of bad asses I'd say, so while normally I'd say "sure, exaggerate the injury for story purposes and try to make a negative a positive" I see no point here because they won't use it to their best advantage. But that's the real story there.

Among some of the wrestlers, there has been plenty of skepticism over the true severity of his injury. The injury supposedly occurred over three weeks ago, but he had been working television, pay-per-views, and live events without any sort of tape on his arm whatsoever, let alone showing any signs of an injury. If the biceps tear was serious, and people within WWE are claiming it was serious enough for him to get surgery two days after his championship victory, it would certainly have been taped up. If the injury was not serious enough to require tape, one would think there would be no need for surgery.

How many house shows did Batista work in between though? I don't have the numbers in front of me. Also, wrestlers pride themselves on being "tougher then normal" and gutting through injuries and having a toughness normal men don't have. CM Punk fractured his skull in the ring and finished his match. H worked for 5 or 10 minutes on a torn quad. Taz broke his freakin neck in the ring and then drove himself to the hospital which the dr's didn't believe because they said it was medically impossible. Don't doubt what a determined wrestler can accomplish.

At Monday's Raw in Lafayette%u200E, the wrestlers were told his injury was legitimate and he was having surgery the next day. However, the talk among wrestlers in the locker room is that his injury angle on Raw was a cover-up to have him avoid being suspended due to a violation of the company's drug testing policy.

I have not heard this, not even a LITTLE. This smacks to me of one of these crap bag rumor sites that like to make up newz just to sound like they have an inside scoop. The same kind of sites that would say Big Daddy V died in a car crash (there were sites reporting that a few years back).

Did anyone hear if Rey is actually leaving the company? Becuse it does not sound like him. I just hope not..they realy need some top guys right now. Raw really only has randy and HHH right now as maineventers.... Cena is in some random fueds with the bigshow and is being lowere out of the maineven as of late.

As I said, I've only heard Rey is looking to rehab a nagging knee injury. The Observer is reporting the "leaving the company" story, but I haven't heard it from anywhere else. The Observer does have a good track record but it has fallen off in terms of accuracy over the last decade or so. So I'd file it under "possible" but not so much "likely" and certainly not "definite".

This has been bugging me for a while so I thought I'd post it. Wasn't Superstars supposed to be about guys from different shows wrestling each other? Therefore keeping each wrestler tied to there specific brand but allowing them to go at it against each other on Superstars. It seems however that they just have one match from each brand every week.

I'm not complaining because they put on some good matches but I'm still curious about it.

Some sad news: from www.wrestlezone.com
PWInsider.com is reporting that Pro Wrestling NOAH founder Mitsuharu Misawa died this morning following a suplex he took during a match last night. It's being said that he collapsed following the suplex and did not get up, causing EMT's to hit the ring and attempt to revive him. It is believed at this time that Misawa had a heart attack in the ring. The show was halted and all NOAH talent was told to return to their tour buses.

My best wishes go to his friends and family.

I have also seen that the rumors about Rey are just that. He hasn't given notice. He just needed some time to rest his knee.

(Today is my birthday) :)

At 6/14/09 08:15 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Wasn't Superstars supposed to be about guys from different shows wrestling each other?

Don't know where you got that idea, but no. That isn't the case and never was.

At 6/14/09 12:34 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Taz broke his freakin neck in the ring and then drove himself to the hospital which the dr's didn't believe because they said it was medically impossible. Don't doubt what a determined wrestler can accomplish.

Only Taz could've pulled that off. :P

The same kind of sites that would say Big Daddy V died in a car crash (there were sites reporting that a few years back).

Seriously, where is he now? ECW had a good thing with him for a while.

At 6/14/09 09:59 PM, Assi9 wrote: Seriously, where is he (BDV) now? ECW had a good thing with him for a while.

here's your answer right here lol

At 6/14/09 08:15 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: I'm not complaining because they put on some good matches but I'm still curious about it.

I remember them saying you'd see all three shows on it, but I don't remember them promising inter-brand matches. It had been said post-draft this year they were looking to re-establish the boundaries again and I don't blame them for that. Inter-brand matches should be a special thing to sell a major show like Mania to people. If the audience can get it all the time, why would they want to turn around and pay for it?

I just hope they keep the silly stuff to a minimum tonight. If I'm going to spend three hours watching something I want to be entertained. It will be good to see all three main titles defended though. I haven't had a chance to see Dreamer with the belt yet.

I just got The Wrestler for my birthday yesterday. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the special features since it says it has a discussion with wrestlers and filmmakers. Plus I can now go back and try to spot all the stuff that was going on in the background.

At 6/15/09 08:45 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I just hope they keep the silly stuff to a minimum tonight. If I'm going to spend three hours watching something I want to be entertained. It will be good to see all three main titles defended though. I haven't had a chance to see Dreamer with the belt yet.

I know what you mean... with tripple H back on television i hope his imput in the creative department increases because this comedy crap is just getting old. Well it could be good if they even attempt to be creative because DX is the only comedy act by wwe i find funny which is sad if you think about it .

Did anyone here about Ric flair might sign a contract will wwe, not as a wrestler :::god forbid::: but as the new general manager of raw... What do you guys think of this. It could be good, flair draws people and this could give a ratings boost if they use him the correct way and not get him involved in matchs.

Chris Jericho defends the WWE Women's Championship

This is beyond sad, and hilarious at that? It is known that professional wrestlers live fact-paced lifestyles due to always being on the road. That's still no reason to forget packing your championship belt.

So, who do we think Vince "sold" RAW to?

...JBL? Hah