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After giving it a little thought, I've realized that this was bound to happen - it's the old 'DO UNTO OTHERS......' rule. Orton did unto others, and now all of that was done unto him, plain & simple.

Come on; the 'Orton Rules Over All' plot HAS to end sometime, don't it? Eventually, there has to be a mutiny of sorts. Maybe Priceless will get tired of being his bitches after a possible Title win from The Colons, and Orton will be left to fend for himself again - at which time he can build himself back up.

But seriously, we all know what the best part of the night was............

"I WANT A DIVORCE!!!!"

All care to sing along with me?

'Ding-dong, THE BITCH IS GONE!

The whiny bitch, the fugly bitch!

Ding-dong, THE WHINY BITCH IS GONE!!!'

To quote Avie's earlier post:

If the crowd hates you and wants to pay to see you get beat, congratulations, you are an effective heel and shall draw money. If you're a heel, and the crowd hates you and wants you to go away, congrats, you fucked up and will never draw a dime.

Vickie is that person that people want to go away; and now, she has.

At 6/7/09 04:42 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: to be honest i see a lot of miz in zack ryder
when miz first debuted he was the annoying guy with his own personal quote (HOO-RAH!), which he would constantly shout every week, he would act like a tool and would constantly be shouting in the ring. (still does kinda..), but most of all, nobody took him seriously..

From what I know, Miz was doing what he was told. Ryder came up with this idea all by himself and apparently thinks the "woo woo" thing will become a catchphrase I guess and make him a face. Yeah no, it's not going to happen. The guy better have a plan friggin B or he's going to be on shaky ground.

Apologies; avie's post popped up right after mine.

Oh, I forgot 3 things: Firstly, I noticed Jamie Noble's back (or has he been on ECW this whole time?); how ironic he got screwed over by none other than Hornswaggle. :P

Second, where is Jessie (as in Festus)? Is he on ECW, too? It still seems a bit odd, though, when the whole purpose of his gimmick was to hang onto Festus - which just doesn't seem right being done by even MORE bizarre characters.

Lastly, where's Shannon Moore? Same question about ECW. If that's the case, PLEASE DON'T HAVE HIM DON THE SPIKED MOHAWK AGAIN!

At 6/8/09 11:49 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: As for Umaga, wtf? That one is just bizarre as I've heard he was a favorite with management. Seems like there's got to be more to that story (for the record, I know as much as you do at present, probably tomorrow I'll find out what happened).

Huh......then it does become somewhat of a mystery. Those who are generally liked backstage get pushed; so why the fuck was he let go? What must he have done to warrant it? Guess he'll speak as Jamal again about it later & clear this all up.

As to Vickie, heard that was a worked-shoot. Vickie is indeed leaving to spend more time with her daughters and gave notice sometime ago, guess that's why she's been so ineffective and de-emphasized since coming over to RAW. Could be an opportunity for Chavo here if the decide to make him the "wrestler GM" in the vein of Regal or Angle before him. How did the Edge thing go over? I didn't watch the show but I'm curious, was the crowd really behind what Edge was saying, or did this turn Vickie into a sympathetic face on her way out the door? I'm still not sure, but it seems like they are really looking to work an Edge face turn here.

Really? So it WASN'T because her character had ran her course?

Chavo would benefit SOOOOOO much from that angle; he's become a fricking schlob over the past few years.

With Edge, it's more tweener than anything else; he made that pretty clear. And no, NOBODY was sympathetic with Vickie on her way out - the usual 'NA-NA-NA-NA' chants occurred with good volume.

At 6/9/09 12:09 AM, Assi9 wrote: Oh, I forgot 3 things: Firstly, I noticed Jamie Noble's back (or has he been on ECW this whole time?); how ironic he got screwed over by none other than Hornswaggle. :P

Nah, Noble hasn't been on TV for a little bit.

Second, where is Jessie (as in Festus)? Is he on ECW, too? It still seems a bit odd, though, when the whole purpose of his gimmick was to hang onto Festus - which just doesn't seem right being done by even MORE bizarre characters.

He is still on SD!, but only has been shown as background in backstage segments. Makes you worried about the guy's chances, famous father who partnered with the booker or no.

Lastly, where's Shannon Moore? Same question about ECW. If that's the case, PLEASE DON'T HAVE HIM DON THE SPIKED MOHAWK AGAIN!

I believe he was quietly let go a while back.

Huh......then it does become somewhat of a mystery. Those who are generally liked backstage get pushed; so why the fuck was he let go? What must he have done to warrant it? Guess he'll speak as Jamal again about it later & clear this all up.

I dunno, like I say, this is either a case where he did something fucked up, asked to be released, or they didn't have an idea for him. Considering though he hasn't been jobbing to Punk the entire feud, then it would seem to this observer the old "creative has nothing for you" line is not applying here. We'll find out I'm sure.

Really? So it WASN'T because her character had ran her course?

Nope, unless maybe that was a reason she personally felt was valid for giving notice and taking herself off. She's a single mom raising three kids (one not her own, so major props to her for being that kind of a stand up lady), so I imagine she's just gotten all the money she needs for awhile out of this gig and it's time to focus again on what's important.

Chavo would benefit SOOOOOO much from that angle; he's become a fricking schlob over the past few years.

Yeah, so I think it'd be good to emphasize him a bit more, and give them kind of a "fresh face" in the mix.

With Edge, it's more tweener than anything else; he made that pretty clear. And no, NOBODY was sympathetic with Vickie on her way out - the usual 'NA-NA-NA-NA' chants occurred with good volume.

Ok, so then yeah, could be he's being positioned as a tweener now, or they're slowly building to a full blown face turn, which considering the issue with Jericho, has seemed fairly telegraphed for awhile now.

At 6/8/09 08:50 PM, Assi9 wrote: SEE!? DIDN'T I FUCKING CALL THIS!? THE MOMENT UMAGA WAS ALLOWED TO SPEAK, HE WAS FLUSHED DOWN THE FUCKING TOILET.

i'm with you, i thought so aswell... he could of at least put on a sort of butchered samoan/english accent.. i think that would of went well with the character

or if all else fails.. go Kaientai on him!

At 6/9/09 12:09 AM, Assi9 wrote: Lastly, where's Shannon Moore? Same question about ECW. If that's the case, PLEASE DON'T HAVE HIM DON THE SPIKED MOHAWK AGAIN!

yeh he was released almost a year ago now, and yes he sports the mohawk again from what i saw..

Chavo would benefit SOOOOOO much from that angle; he's become a fricking schlob over the past few years.

bring him back as Kerwin White, the racist, golfing, middle class american, who had Dolph Ziggler as his caddy and also had one of the funniest titantrons you've ever seen

seriously just look at his face the entire time hahaha

At 6/9/09 04:15 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: or if all else fails.. go Kaientai on him!

Man... I miss that. Taka was awesome.

Umaga being released was a real shock to me. He had a lot going for him, the fans reacted well to him and he was no slouch in the ring. He has had problems with the law in the past so hopefully he isn't in trouble.

Viki quitting to raise her kids is a god reason to leave. I'm sure once they told her they were going to put her in a hog pin match her choice was made a lot easier too.

The booking for the tag titles is inconsistent. last week Regal and Matt did a favor for Viki to get another title shot. So what happens this week? Both Regal and Matt work and lose singles matches while the tag champs lose to Team Priceless. Hey booking team! Remember what you wrote next time huh?

At 6/9/09 12:30 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 6/9/09 12:09 AM, Assi9 wrote: Oh, I forgot 3 things: Firstly, I noticed Jamie Noble's back (or has he been on ECW this whole time?); how ironic he got screwed over by none other than Hornswaggle. :P

Nah, Noble hasn't been on TV for a little bit.

Glad to see him back, then. He's been a solid-enough worker to warrant SOMETHING other than the Hornswaggle joke angle slat time - although it was still funny that that's EXACTLY who fucked him over last night. :P

Second, where is Jessie (as in Festus)? Is he on ECW, too? It still seems a bit odd, though, when the whole purpose of his gimmick was to hang onto Festus - which just doesn't seem right being done by even MORE bizarre characters.

He is still on SD!, but only has been shown as background in backstage segments. Makes you worried about the guy's chances, famous father who partnered with the booker or no.

Who's the daddy? Booker as in Booker T?

Lastly, where's Shannon Moore? Same question about ECW. If that's the case, PLEASE DON'T HAVE HIM DON THE SPIKED MOHAWK AGAIN!

I believe he was quietly let go a while back.

Then my neighbor's not going to be too happy about that - assuming he's not lying about them being roomates in college, that is.

I know, I know, it sounds like a lie, but I'm pretty sure he has his college yearbook - so I can at least see if they attended the same college at the same time.

I don't believe much of anything else he's said, but he's awful adamant about this in particular.

Huh......then it does become somewhat of a mystery. Those who are generally liked backstage get pushed; so why the fuck was he let go? What must he have done to warrant it? Guess he'll speak as Jamal again about it later & clear this all up.
Really? So it WASN'T because her character had ran her course?

Nope, unless maybe that was a reason she personally felt was valid for giving notice and taking herself off. She's a single mom raising three kids (one not her own, so major props to her for being that kind of a stand up lady), so I imagine she's just gotten all the money she needs for awhile out of this gig and it's time to focus again on what's important.

Yeah, I do have to give her credit on that.My mom's had to go through the same thing with me, so I know it's difficult-as-hell.

At 6/9/09 04:26 AM, Random-Her03 wrote:

Chavo would benefit SOOOOOO much from that angle; he's become a fricking schlob over the past few years.

bring him back as Kerwin White, the racist, golfing, middle class american, who had Dolph Ziggler as his caddy and also had one of the funniest titantrons you've ever seen

seriously just look at his face the entire time hahaha

GAAAAAHHH!!! I forgot about that retarded gimmick, AND YOU REMINDED ME!!!!! *takes shotgun & fires several rounds*

Since WWE just recently released Umaga, What do you think he will do? Will he go to TNA and join the Nation of Violence? Or will he return to All Japan Pro Wrestling and join the GURENTAI?

At 6/9/09 07:25 PM, LordKooler wrote: What do you think he will do?

Firstly, I think he waits out his 90-day no compete and keeps his head low. Take the easy money.

Will he go to TNA and join the Nation of Violence?

TNA is the most attractive American option for him I'd say, and the scenario you mention here could mean some money for all parties. If I'm TNA, I am very interested in talking to Umaga right now and getting a deal eventually done. This is a WWE name they can use for notoriety, but pair him up with Joe and Taz and you have something that can make TNA some real money if they're creative end doesn't completely fuck it up. This could very well be that "buzz" situation that TNA needs to convince some of the more hardcore and casual fans to give their product another chance. The tools are right there, but they have to get it together creatively.

Or will he return to All Japan Pro Wrestling and join the GURENTAI?

I've heard All Japan and pro wrestling in general in Japan has not been doing terribly well the last couple of years. It's an option, but Umaga's best bet I think is to go to TNA, and supplement that perhaps with tours of New Japan (since I can see them certainly wanting to take advantage of a guy like Umaga on the TNA roster).

My thinking is Umaga will wind up in TNA once his 90 day is up. He's the kind of WWE cast off that they should be pursuing...unless the reason for his release turns out to be something very troubling, and the cryptic stories I've heard so far really do not make that situation sound very good at all.

if umaga goes to TNA, he will probably have an entirely different gimmick
or just have the same gimmick with a really crappy sounding name..

i can see it now..

Mike Tenay: who is this?... oh my god he just attacked Samoa Joe!
Don West: OMG IT'S MAFUFU!!! MAFUFU IS HERE!!

also on ECW a guy backstage said "a guy in green" saved him from getting hit by a falling light

i think a hurricane return is in the works!

At 6/10/09 06:59 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also on ECW a guy backstage said "a guy in green" saved him from getting hit by a falling light

i think a hurricane return is in the works!

I'd be fine with that. Hurricane was a fun gimmick.

Its strange that the WWE didn't take the title off Batista when they knew he was going to be sidelined again. I wonder if they will make him give it up like he did before and make HHH and Orton fight for it. I understand that they needed to bring HHH back since Batista was going out but they shouldn't have burined Orton. He needs to be the top heel.

At 6/10/09 10:14 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Its strange that the WWE didn't take the title off Batista when they knew he was going to be sidelined again.

I haven't watched Raw yet (I'm about to now actually), but I thought the title was vacated because of a dodgy finish or something? Anyway, three hour Raw next week with all three top titles being defended. Don't really understand the logic here since both the Smackdown and ECW titles changed hands at Extreme Rules (which I really enjoyed barring the odd match or two - shame about Hardy though). I can understand putting the Raw title up for grabs since Batista's injured, but whats the point with involving the other brands?

Finally, *POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT*
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Don't know if this has been announced on wwe.com or at the SD!/ECW tapings but the Raw championship match on Raw will be a fatal four way featuring Cena Orton HHH and Show. Also as many people have guessed at, CM Punk is turning fully heel shortly. I'd love a Punk/Hardy straight-edge/past drug problems fued over the title.

At 6/10/09 11:20 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Finally, *POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT*
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Don't know if this has been announced on wwe.com or at the SD!/ECW tapings but the Raw championship match on Raw will be a fatal four way featuring Cena Orton HHH and Show. Also as many people have guessed at, CM Punk is turning fully heel shortly. I'd love a Punk/Hardy straight-edge/past drug problems fued over the title.

I guess everyone's wish for the heel turn has finally come true. Should be an interesting feud.

It'd be something if Show finally got the title - it's been some time since he's had a belt.

Oh, and I forgot to mention. There's also been a lot of rumours lately that Ric Flair will be appointed the new Raw GM at next weeks taping at his home town. My opinion - meh.

At 6/10/09 05:49 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Oh, and I forgot to mention. There's also been a lot of rumours lately that Ric Flair will be appointed the new Raw GM at next weeks taping at his home town. My opinion - meh.

I'm with you on that one...

source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

At Raw, there was word going around among the wrestlers that Rey Mysterio gave notice, but we can't confirm that story.

Mysterio is still on the lineups for the weekend house shows.

any thoughts?

At 6/10/09 10:34 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

At Raw, there was word going around among the wrestlers that Rey Mysterio gave notice, but we can't confirm that story.

Mysterio is still on the lineups for the weekend house shows.

any thoughts?

Haven't heard it, and I'd be really shocked if he has. Mysterio is a good merchandise mover for them and is now back on a brand with guys he can truly work with. Unless this is a situation where Mysterio is looking to either outright leave the business, or cut back his road time dramatically. I'd rather see something more concrete before I roll with that as fact. If he did give notice though, it might not take effect until the story with Jericho has fully concluded.

Far as RAW, WWE has a three hour show, they need it to draw, and they need to fill it with content and be "special" so why not have all three championships contested? This is a very good launching pad for them to showcase their other brands on the biggest stage they have (it scores the highest ratings guys, that makes it the biggest). ESPECIALLY when you consider you have a new World Champion on SD! you'll be wanting to get over, you have a pretty good title feud on ECW developing you want people to give a damn about, and you can throw in some other under card stuff and performers you want to push. The bottom line is you have all this extra time that can be used as a very entertaining commercial to remind people "hey, there's shows other then RAW we produce every week! Watch those too!".

Although the only downside I see to this sort of thing is that it once again creates a sort of "wrestling overload" and with the product not being very enticing and "must watch" for people right now, it allows people to say "you know? I got a few good title matches a week or so back for free, I don't need to pay 40 dollars for this PPV and another title match I've basically already seen". But again, I think this can be mitigated somewhat if the product in general is more compelling and people are convinced that 40 dollars is fair value for the entertainment they'll receive.

Like the idea of Hurricane coming back, and I think that character would be perfect for a show like ECW since it's small and only a few matches a week are taking place. Helms is still hurting somewhat last I checked, so the less he works, the better off he most likely will be.

I just read Rey was given Tuesday off due to a lingering knee injury he's trying to take care of, plans are to continue the feud between he and Jericho. I wonder if this is the truth and somehow wrestling observer got their wires crossed?

That may be the case since I haven't seen anything mentioned about Rey at the sites I check for news. A lengthy fued with Jericho is just what SD needs right now. A strong mid-card fued is good to have when you are trying something new like turning Punk heel. It will be interesting to see how the WWE handles Punk now.

As much as I've wanted Punk to turn heel, I can't help but feel that SD! is not the best place to do that. Punk could easily be overshadowed by Edge and Jericho, because they're just so damn good.
If he can become top heel over those two, then I don't think the WWE could ever deny Punk main event status. Now if they moved him over to Raw, that would be a different story. They have fuck all in the way of heels.

At 6/11/09 08:38 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: As much as I've wanted Punk to turn heel, I can't help but feel that SD! is not the best place to do that. Punk could easily be overshadowed by Edge and Jericho, because they're just so damn good.
If he can become top heel over those two, then I don't think the WWE could ever deny Punk main event status. Now if they moved him over to Raw, that would be a different story. They have fuck all in the way of heels.

I disagree.
RAW has Orton + priceless, big show and miz.
Smackdown is the best place for it as they only have two credible heels.

I am not a CM Punk fan and I've watched the heel promos everyone raves about him doing prior to joining WWE. I just can't see what there is to like about him.

Everyone seems to want to see a hardy/punk feud, but at the end of the day you know Hardy would win and come away with the title only lose it to edge again.

Omg, I feel so at home here. I love wrestling! And to think there's a forum just for it! Anyways, I wish there were more girls that watch it. At my school this one girl and I were pretty much the only ones who watched it. I haven't watched it in awhile not since the draft.
So what has happened in WWE since the draft?

At 6/11/09 02:02 PM, Shaun wrote: I disagree.
RAW has Orton + priceless, big show and miz.

Big show will never be a top star. He'll always just be fodder for John Cena to get some impressive spots in on. The Miz has a long way to come to be anywhere near the top level. Priceless are just the henchmen for Orton, who is boring and should get off my TV. He doesn't belong anywhere above the midcard. I mean, Raw has Matt Hardy too, but I can't see him ever being elevated to top heel.

Edge and Y2J are actually good in their roles, can put on a decent match too, and they'll probably piss all over CM Punk.

I am not a CM Punk fan and I've watched the heel promos everyone raves about him doing prior to joining WWE. I just can't see what there is to like about him.

I haven't seen any of his heel promos, but he has some major competition in the department, whereas anything he did would probably come off as looking fresh compared to most of the shit on Raw.

Everyone seems to want to see a hardy/punk feud, but at the end of the day you know Hardy would win and come away with the title only lose it to edge again.

The way they book Punk... yeah.

At 6/11/09 03:48 PM, pwnasuarusrex4real1 wrote: So what has happened in WWE since the draft?

RAW
Kofi Kingston on is the New US Champ
Big Show and John Cena are fueding, The Miz has been thrown in the mix too
Vickie Guerrero recently resigned as GM, Edge berated her
Hornswoggle and Goldust have been together as a tag team, feuding with The Brian Kendrick
Kennedy had one comeback match, then was suddenly released.

Smackdown!
Punk on smackdown is now the World Heavyweight Champion and is in the process of turning heel most likely
The Worlds Greatest Tag Team have been reunited on SD! feuding against John Morrison
Chris Jericho is the new IC Champ
Dolph Ziggler is in a feud with The Great Khali
Kane has barely been seen

ECW
Gregory Helms is a backstage announcer, but it's recently hinted that he'll returning as The Hurricane
Vladimir Kozlov has just been squashing jobbers, but judging by the recent ECW, it seems that they're turning him face.
Zach Ryder has an all new look and has a new "tool" gimmick, he still shouts "WOO WOO WOO!"
DH Smith, Natalya and Tyson Kidd have all teamed up to make the new Hart Foundation, but calling it 'The Hart Dynasty'

Hmm. So yeah. Punk is champion I guess. Have to see Friday on Smackdown how he boasts about his victory. and if Edge is gonna have on of his hissy fits. Never gets old, actually it does, where does WWE get these stupid story line's from? They are epic fail and old as rusty nails. We need some new stories.

Here is the reason why Umaga got released.

At 6/11/09 05:17 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Big show will never be a top star. He'll always just be fodder for John Cena to get some impressive spots in on. The Miz has a long way to come to be anywhere near the top level. Priceless are just the henchmen for Orton, who is boring and should get off my TV. He doesn't belong anywhere above the midcard. I mean, Raw has Matt Hardy too, but I can't see him ever being elevated to top heel.

Agreed on all points. The heels of RAW are in no way strong because Vince is the ultimate editor to RAW and his feeling is you can beat heels down over and over and because their heels it's ok because the fans are supposed to not like them. Not to mention most of these guys you've mentioned (with the exception of Miz) have done about 5 bajillion push/depush situations over the years so how well built are they really? Like I say, RAW's heel side looks weak as sin, and Orton is a joke thanks to the booking.

Edge and Y2J are actually good in their roles, can put on a decent match too, and they'll probably piss all over CM Punk.

I don't think so, they have never been said to be the kind of guys that will try to undermine a guy. This comes back to if they are committed to elevating Punk. Also, Edge is turning face, we know he's turning face. The signs are everywhere, it's a question of when not if. So that limits the top heel field a little for Punk there as well. Also if Jericho is distracted by Rey, it eliminates direct competition between the two. Punk is a very strong heel I believe, and properly pushed I believe he will be right up there with Edge, that is my personal belief. I think he can do this unless they fuck this up and "Orton" him.

I am not a CM Punk fan and I've watched the heel promos everyone raves about him doing prior to joining WWE. I just can't see what there is to like about him.

Really? Obviously we have a different perspective then man, and we want different things from our wrestling heels. Punk's ROH character was what Punk brought, but with elements of ECW Raven thrown in there, and they're feud was great. That's the thing, it wasn't just the promos, but it was the body of work that went with it at that point in time that really makes me believe Punk can easily headline as a heel if the company is behind him and gives him the opportunity to try.

I haven't seen any of his heel promos, but he has some major competition in the department, whereas anything he did would probably come off as looking fresh compared to most of the shit on Raw.

Not to mention, it's very easy for Punk to flip that switch in this case and sort of take a nod from Jericho and say "I'm straight edge! I'm a freakin role model! But all you wanna do is cheer for a loser and screw up like Jeff Hardy! I'm sick of this, straight edge means I'm better then you and from now on it's all about me". Simple, and effective. I would even like to see him and Jericho form a sort of alliance out of this too. Not a tag team necessarily, but just we see something where they see the similarities they share and make a commitment to watch out for each other against all the hypocrites and conspiracy that would be against them. That could be fantastic and very very fresh.

Everyone seems to want to see a hardy/punk feud, but at the end of the day you know Hardy would win and come away with the title only lose it to edge again.

I don't actually, because I don't know that Jeff is sticking around. If he isn't, then there's a lot of ways to go, the obvious one is run Jeff out, then you can go to a situation where Edge can either initiate a heel vs. heel program with Punk complaining he wanted to run Jeff out and Punk stole his oppurtunity, or Edge has remorse and says "I thought I wanted him gone, but now I realize...I respected Jeff Hardy, we took each other to the limit for 10 years, and we made each other. Now you take him out? Somebody like you? No way, now you deal with me" and goes face. There's so much potential on SD! right now for some fresh programs and matches, and that's really what WWE needs right now.

The way they book Punk... yeah.

The way they booked him on RAW and ECW. The booking of him on SD! since the draft has actually been quite good, and the fact is he got MITB this year because they WANTED him to, not because somebody messed up and they had to give it to someone.

Why the hell are there different people booking & writing for each individual brand? There should be ONE GOOD TEAM of people in charge of the whole franchise, not one good one, one okay one, and one suckfest one.

At 6/11/09 11:57 PM, LordKooler wrote: Here is the reason why Umaga got released.

Awwww, and I was hoping it WOULDN'T be drug-related for once.....

Ok, whoever had me calling him Jamal gets a kick in the ass - EDWARD is WAAAAAY off of Jamal.