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I'll have to check hulu then. Thanks for the info Avie!

Really? Kennedy got hurt again? Man how did he ever get signed with WWE to begin with if he's so injury prone?

So at Extreme Rules there will be a triple threat for the ECW title. If they are ever going to put the belt on Dreamer this would be the best time to do it. I hope he wins, but knowing WWE it does seem unlikely.

A new PPV will be replacing Unforgiven this year.

Source: 411mania.com

The WWE Unforgiven PPV is no more. The September 13th PPV, which will be held in Montreal will now be called "WWE Breaking Point". Tickets will go on sale for the event on July 11th. WWE Breaking Point will feature submission stipulations in the main event matches.

At 5/27/09 10:49 PM, LordKooler wrote: A new PPV will be replacing Unforgiven this year.

Source: 411mania.com

The WWE Unforgiven PPV is no more. The September 13th PPV, which will be held in Montreal will now be called "WWE Breaking Point". Tickets will go on sale for the event on July 11th. WWE Breaking Point will feature submission stipulations in the main event matches.

PWInsider confirmed it as well. Hey, it's better then doing those ridiculous scramble bouts again.

As far as Dreamer, I know a deal was in front of him, but nobody could confirm if he signed or not. If he gets the belt, obviously he did, if he doesn't get it, he didn't sign. It's as simple as all that. They have put a little more emphasis on the storyline again, but I'm not sure if that's to cement that Dreamer is staying, or to make sure nobody questions why he left and give him something approaching a nice exit.

kennedy's bones are about as strong as play dough when it dries up in the heat...

its only his wrist though.. maybe they can just put him in a cast, like hardy

maybe they can fued over it? lol

Anyone actually got any sources stating Kennedy's hurt, because I've been hearing it was a work by him, selling the fact that Legacy's team had been working on his arm all match, as well him making a sort of inside joke to the people who complain that he's always injured.

At 5/27/09 10:49 PM, LordKooler wrote: A new PPV will be replacing Unforgiven this year.

Source: 411mania.com

The WWE Unforgiven PPV is no more. The September 13th PPV, which will be held in Montreal will now be called "WWE Breaking Point". Tickets will go on sale for the event on July 11th. WWE Breaking Point will feature submission stipulations in the main event matches.

Hm, first the name change from ONS to ER (lol), and now replacing a PPV ENTIRELY......interesting way they're doing things all of a sudden. But hey, a little change is always good.

At 5/27/09 11:29 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: As far as Dreamer, I know a deal was in front of him, but nobody could confirm if he signed or not. If he gets the belt, obviously he did, if he doesn't get it, he didn't sign. It's as simple as all that. They have put a little more emphasis on the storyline again, but I'm not sure if that's to cement that Dreamer is staying, or to make sure nobody questions why he left and give him something approaching a nice exit.

Seriously, why can't they throw the poor guy a bone already?

It's that kind of crap that makes Vince look bad.

At 5/28/09 06:37 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Anyone actually got any sources stating Kennedy's hurt, because I've been hearing it was a work by him, selling the fact that Legacy's team had been working on his arm all match, as well him making a sort of inside joke to the people who complain that he's always injured.

Now THAT would be awesome; it'd show that Kennedy can laugh at himself, which a lot of fans would get behind.

So was anyone watching Impact just now?

I start watching it, and Abyss is about to be caned by Stevie Richards... all of a sudden, RAVEN COMES OUT FROM THE CROWD, takes the Singapore Cane and proceeds to attack Raven. Long story short, Raven and Stevie Richards are now a team.

Not sure why, but that seems familiar >_>

At 5/28/09 10:03 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Not sure why, but that seems familiar >_>

Obviously it's an idea that came to Vince Russo as he looked out over Long Island sound because he NEVER watched ECW rightguys? (inside joke)

At 5/28/09 10:03 PM, pepeatumi wrote: So was anyone watching Impact just now?

I start watching it, and Abyss is about to be caned by Stevie Richards... all of a sudden, RAVEN COMES OUT FROM THE CROWD, takes the Singapore Cane and proceeds to attack Raven. Long story short, Raven and Stevie Richards are now a team.

Not sure why, but that seems familiar >_>

So.....Raven smacked himself with the cane? That seems weird. :P I think you mean he hit Abyss right? I'm ok with them teaming honestly. It's kinda like a reunion. Sure this has been done before but hey, at lest Raven is back on tv. I'm also glad that Richards isn't a jobber. I guess.. I don't actually watch TNA so I've got no idea. :P

Elijah Burke worked a dark match for TNA so he might be joining the company soon as well.

Unfortunately, I missed TNA tonight (apparently received the cable box that DOESN'T have DVR w/o realizing........ARGH!)......

Seriously, why is Vince holding onto ECW when MOST OF IT IS ON TNA NOW!? Y'know what? Dreamer should just go on to TNA, then Paul Heyman can join in, and then maybe Heyman & Jarrett can work together to buy ECW back from Vince - it should be cheap by now, and now there's that WWE Superstars thing on WGN, so there's not much of a loss.

Anybody agree?

And, again, WHERE THE HELL IS TAZZ!?

At 5/29/09 12:10 AM, Assi9 wrote:

Let me answer your questions as I'm assuming they were quite serious.

Seriously, why is Vince holding onto ECW when MOST OF IT IS ON TNA NOW!?

Vince and co don't care about the ECW fanbase. They do care about having that footage though as fodder for 24/7 and future DVD releases. To be blunt (and hey, I was diehard in the revolution of ECW from 1999 right up until the day the bankruptcy went through), the only asset ECW really had was it's video library. That's what Vince wanted it for, and that's what he got. As far as the letters, to Vince's mind now that's something he has spent time and money trying to build into a third brand for WWE (let's not get into how well or how shitty that build has been, it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand). So to Vince's mind he's made an investment in it and there's no way he's going to "abandon" that investment now unless he thinks it makes the most sense for him financially and ego wise.

Y'know what? Dreamer should just go on to TNA, then Paul Heyman can join in, and then maybe Heyman & Jarrett can work together to buy ECW back from Vince - it should be cheap by now, and now there's that WWE Superstars thing on WGN, so there's not much of a loss.

Dreamer just might head down there, I can't see anything about or with TNA at the present moment that would make me think Dreamer would steer clear of the company.

I think Paul Heyman is well and truly done with wrestling unless he gets a fuck ton of money somewhere and probably full creative control. I doubt he'll sign onto a company he's ragged on so badly as simply an on-air performer, especially with at least one person on that writing team who ripped off a lot of his work for years and didn't credit him. Unless Paul is coming in to run TNA creative for a few million dollars, I don't see that appealing to him.

There is no way Vince will say the ECW letters to anybody, ever. Vince has done a lot to kill it off and it's credibility, but look at the NWA. Those letters have meant basically nothing since Crockett folded but there are still people out there using it and doing ok with shows using the letters. So there's no way Vince is going to hand a tool (even a very small tool) to a competitor to exploit. Never gonna happen.

Anybody agree?

Nope, it'll never happen and really? TNA needs to build on it's own strengths and forge it's own future, you can't keep relying on nostalgia.

And, again, WHERE THE HELL IS TAZZ!?

He's under a very long no-compete from WWE. Announcers apparently have even a little longer then wrestlers do. TNA is doing all they can to make people understand he's coming in, and Taz (that's how he spells it, that's how it should be spelled, drop the extra "z" already) is doing all he can to keep his name fresh in the minds of the core target audience to TNA online.

lol apparently there are nude photos allegedly of Matt Striker online somewhere

At 5/29/09 05:37 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: lol apparently there are nude photos allegedly of Matt Striker online somewhere

Why? Well if you find them be a pal and DON'T post them here. Thank you.

Is TNA brining Taz in to announce or will he come out of retirement for a few matches? I would imagine that his neck problems would prevent an in ring return so my guess is that they will add him to the announcing team.

At 5/29/09 08:01 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Is TNA brining Taz in to announce or will he come out of retirement for a few matches? I would imagine that his neck problems would prevent an in ring return so my guess is that they will add him to the announcing team.

First things first. Yes, I meant to say Abyss (Not Raven) in my previous post.

As for Taz, the logical choice is for him to be an announcer, but it looks like he'll be a manager/mentor of sorts to Samoa Joe. Hell, the last couple of weeks we've seem Joe using a black towel and talking to a faceless figure backstage (Which is supposed to be Taz).

Anyways, over on WWE land... Once again, Superstars was an entertaining show with one great match (The Colons vs WGTT) and two good matches (Swagger v Finlay, Cena v Dibiase). I have to admit it, Superstars is quickly becoming my 2nd favorite show on tv (Behind SD), since its usually just an hour of good wrestling. Its a good way to make you forget about the crap we're getting on Monday nights.

At 5/29/09 08:01 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Why? Well if you find them be a pal and DON'T post them here. Thank you.

apparently the story is that he took nude photos and sent them to his gf at the time, since then they've broken up and she now decided to leak the photos online

don't worry i'm not gonna post them here, i'm not that much of a prick lol

AHA!!! Cool, cool; I was getting worried that something bad happened with him. Although Mick Foley did leave the same way, he still seemingly debuted faster than the months since Taz left. Being a coach, though, surprises me; it'd be a hell of a lot better if TNA fires/position-swaps either Tenay or West and then have him be the replacement.

Either way, I have a feeling Taz is going to have one hell of a reception by the fans.

At 5/29/09 01:04 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 5/29/09 12:10 AM, Assi9 wrote: Y'know what? Dreamer should just go on to TNA, then Paul Heyman can join in, and then maybe Heyman & Jarrett can work together to buy ECW back from Vince - it should be cheap by now, and now there's that WWE Superstars thing on WGN, so there's not much of a loss.

Dreamer just might head down there, I can't see anything about or with TNA at the present moment that would make me think Dreamer would steer clear of the company.

I think it's the best thing for the guy; I'm not even sure giving him the ECW belt will be enough at this point to keep him on board.

I think Paul Heyman is well and truly done with wrestling unless he gets a fuck ton of money somewhere and probably full creative control. I doubt he'll sign onto a company he's ragged on so badly as simply an on-air performer, especially with at least one person on that writing team who ripped off a lot of his work for years and didn't credit him. Unless Paul is coming in to run TNA creative for a few million dollars, I don't see that appealing to him.

........and my knowledge on the situation stops at the second paragraph.....so people in TNA are ripping him off, too? Why the fuck is he such a target?

There is no way Vince will say the ECW letters to anybody, ever. Vince has done a lot to kill it off and it's credibility, but look at the NWA. Those letters have meant basically nothing since Crockett folded but there are still people out there using it and doing ok with shows using the letters. So there's no way Vince is going to hand a tool (even a very small tool) to a competitor to exploit. Never gonna happen.

I don't expect Vince to WILLINGLY give it up; I do see someone buying it from him at some point.

TNA needs to build on it's own strengths and forge it's own future, you can't keep relying on nostalgia.

However, most of ECW's nostalgia IS, as far as I've seen, weaved into TNA's framework; they are the real 'extreme wrestling' franchise out there right now.

Taz (that's how he spells it, that's how it should be spelled, drop the extra "z" already)

Sorry about the extra 'z'; I forgot about the variation changes over the years.

At 5/29/09 06:45 PM, Assi9 wrote: ........and my knowledge on the situation stops at the second paragraph.....so people in TNA are ripping him off, too? Why the fuck is he such a target?

What I was referring to was Vince Russo's propensity for taking Paul Heyman's ideas and concepts and pushing them as his own for WWE. Russo often tries to credit himself as the guy who pushed Vince towards "Attitude" and that included a lot of matches, content, and general style ECW was doing at the time. I've always felt that Heyman should have been trying to get on cable TV in 96 or 97 instead of PPV to expose his product to the wider world before WWE and WCW and it's people were able to poach his talent and concepts.

Why is he such a target? Because his shit worked!!! Because people gave a damn about it and TNA seems to be running in such a nostalgia kick like WCW where they either don't want to, or don't have the ability to really forge a new direction and rely on the past and silly gimmicks for their product. Wrestling is all about theft, and Paul Heyman is one of the most successful creative forces in wrestling ever.

I don't expect Vince to WILLINGLY give it up; I do see someone buying it from him at some point.

Not happening unless Vince goes bankrupt or he badly needs to fire sale stuff. It just will not happen, those letters are his forever, even if he stops using them. He was willing to sue the hell out of carny Dale Gagner over the AWA letters and he's done nothing with those beyond a DVD.

However, most of ECW's nostalgia IS, as far as I've seen, weaved into TNA's framework; they are the real 'extreme wrestling' franchise out there right now.

No, there's also CZW which is blood and guts, Ian Rotten's IWA Mid-South as well. TNA is WWE lite in terms of storylines, and trying to be like ECW, WCW, and WWE of the 90's with it's match types and stuff. I don't think they're "extreme" wrestling at all, just because they have a match or 2 like Monster's Ball, and they've really de-emphasized a lot of the extreme wrestlers and don't bring in former ECW guys like they used to.

At 5/29/09 07:16 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: No, there's also CZW which is blood and guts, Ian Rotten's IWA Mid-South as well.

To be fair, CZW isn't all blood and guts. They tend to have their fair share of regular matches. As for IWA-MS... They've pretty much become a joke fed.

Now, the real reason I'm posting here. We knew it was going to happen eventually, and now its official.

Mr.Kennedy... RELEASED!

At 5/29/09 08:25 PM, pepeatumi wrote: To be fair, CZW isn't all blood and guts. They tend to have their fair share of regular matches. As for IWA-MS... They've pretty much become a joke fed.

I was more just trying to point out that there are promotions out there much more fitting of the label "Extreme" then TNA. I wasn't trying to knock either one.

Now, the real reason I'm posting here. We knew it was going to happen eventually, and now its official.

Mr.Kennedy... RELEASED!

What was odd about that is that they called him Ken Kennedy, which is not his real name, his real name is Ken Anderson. Pretty dramatic fall from grace here as only a couple years ago Vince McMahon himself had this guy pegged as a can't miss main eventer, and now he's been released amid injuries, stupid comments to the press...very sad as if the guy had been able to keep his act together who knows what he would have done in WWE. I'm sure TNA is chomping at the bit to grab him up.

Whilst it's not surprising that Kennedy has been released in the midst of all his injuries and fuck ups, I'm still quite surprised.
I'm sure he'll have a great time in TNA though.

At 5/29/09 09:09 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Whilst it's not surprising that Kennedy has been released in the midst of all his injuries and fuck ups, I'm still quite surprised.
I'm sure he'll have a great time in TNA though.

Just don't make any well connected enemies this time Ken!!

After hearing Mike Johnson update on this I think it's safe to say this guy if he never steps back into a wrestling ring will have truly done the least with the most.

You've got to be kidding me! He's gotten over so well with the crowd recently, and they're dropping him over bad timing with an injury?

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

At 5/29/09 08:25 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Mr.Kennedy... RELEASED!

i have to admit, this was a shocker to me.. when i read that a WWE star was released, i thought it was gonna be someone like Sim Snuka or Ricky Ortiz..
but according to what i've read, the reason they've given him the boot is because he almost injured randy ortons shoulder... god i would of hated to see what happened if he almost injured triple h..

also if only he didn't injure himself or take steroids he probably would of had a WWE title reign or 2.. shame really, he did have the talent..

also in other news there have been talks of making an Undertaker/Dolph Ziggler feud
while i do think Ziggler is a main eventer in the making, i think it's just too soon to be having him feud with one of the biggest stars in the WWE, maybe give him a lengthy IC title run for a while before feuding with one of the big players..

At 5/30/09 03:20 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: i have to admit, this was a shocker to me.. when i read that a WWE star was released, i thought it was gonna be someone like Sim Snuka or Ricky Ortiz..
but according to what i've read, the reason they've given him the boot is because he almost injured randy ortons shoulder... god i would of hated to see what happened if he almost injured triple h..

I'd like to think HHH would handle it better, seeing as he's been around for longer and isn't a hothead like Orton.
Alot of wrestlers have botched moves. Even Owen Hart injured someone, it's inevitable. Kennedy has just been such a massive disappointment every single time he was given something. I know some of them weren't his fault, but if anything was going to make me believe in karma, it would be Ken Kennedy.

At 5/29/09 10:58 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Just don't make any well connected enemies this time Ken!!

After hearing Mike Johnson update on this I think it's safe to say this guy if he never steps back into a wrestling ring will have truly done the least with the most.

Please explain. I think I might know what you are talking about but i'm not 100% sure.

Kennedy being released suprised me. Sure we all thought a guy who got hurt so often should be let go but I didn't think WWE would actually do it. I don't think it wil be too long before he shows up in TNA.

SD was pretty good last night. I really enjoyed the main event. When Jericho attacked Rey from the crowd that caught me off guard. He blended right in! Great stuff. I also liked the match between Umaga and Morrison. They did a really good job in making each other look good.

At 5/29/09 10:58 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Just don't make any well connected enemies this time Ken!!

Orton?

At least that's my guess. Mostly due to this.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/856/k enndybacksuplexorton.gif

A horrible Back Suplex which almost dropped Orton right on the top of his head. Hell, you can tell by Orton's reaction that he was pissed.

He looks like he wanted to punch someone after that one. I'm sure we'll hear plenty more in the coming weeks about Kennedy and reasons why he was let go. No sense in bashing him now since there may be reasons we aren't aware of yet.

At 5/30/09 12:01 PM, pepeatumi wrote: A horrible Back Suplex which almost dropped Orton right on the top of his head. Hell, you can tell by Orton's reaction that he was pissed.

Lmfao, hot damn.

That had to be the funniest Orton reaction in history.

At 5/30/09 03:36 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: He looks like he wanted to punch someone after that one. I'm sure we'll hear plenty more in the coming weeks about Kennedy and reasons why he was let go. No sense in bashing him now since there may be reasons we aren't aware of yet.

If you had a PWInsider Elite account you'd know (seriously guys, it's so worth the money, that's why I shill for it all the time).

Now I'm going to try and explain some things as much as I can without violating my PWI agreement.

Here goes:

Somebody in this topic already guessed the reason why Kennedy was released, it's not the whole reason obviously, but it's the straw that broke the camel's back. This is a guy Vince Mcmahon saw as a HUGE main event player. He got MITB at Mania 23, he was set to headline and win at Mania 24 against the guy who was going to be champion then, but he got hurt. Probably interesting to remember that if Taker hadn't been hurt with his bicep shortly after Mania he would have had what was being described as basically a year long title reign...hmmm....year long reign, Kennedy to win at Mania 24? Hmmm.....

Also let's talk about something that is common knowledge after you're done with that puzzler I've put up there. He was at one point supposed to be Mr. McMahons son, he was going to be right up there in the McMahon family, and then he got hurt, he got busted for wellness, and it all went poof. This guy has been given not one, but TWO dream opportunities to become a player. You have young talented guys that are over (like CM Punk) that would love that kind of gift handed to them. You have guys that didn't get anything near a fair shake who would love that kind of gift handed to them (Scotty Goldman). This guy had it, and because he just kept getting hurt, and making dumb decisions and statements, and it's all pissed away. This guy had the office salivating to get him over, seemingly more so then Randy Orton who's been the poster boy for a non-McMahon connected performer or heel in the last decade that the office was willing to go insane to get over.

Kennedy had opportunities placed in front of him that no one will ever have again. One of them I guarantee there will never even be a CONVERSATION of giving a guy that sort of rub again, the moment passed. No one will ever be given that kind of a rocket again I'm quite sure, and this guy had two shots at the push of a lifetime and blew them both. That makes him the very definition of a guy who did the least with the most.

At 5/30/09 03:20 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also in other news there have been talks of making an Undertaker/Dolph Ziggler feud
while i do think Ziggler is a main eventer in the making, i think it's just too soon to be having him feud with one of the biggest stars in the WWE, maybe give him a lengthy IC title run for a while before feuding with one of the big players..

That actually doesn't surprise me. He's already feuding with Khali, so he's obviously building himself up to major douchebag status; what better way than to piss off the Deadman?

At 5/30/09 11:09 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Kennedy being released suprised me. Sure we all thought a guy who got hurt so often should be let go but I didn't think WWE would actually do it. I don't think it wil be too long before he shows up in TNA.

The man would be quite an asset to TNA; anybody with that kind of charisma TNA would be stupid not to eat up. Hell, I was behind him even when he was a heel - and you know I'm the polar opposite to Redangle when it comes to heels; that just goes to show you how far his mic skills have carried him alone.

Just hope to hell he keeps his shtick.

Kennedy.

SD was pretty good last night. I really enjoyed the main event. When Jericho attacked Rey from the crowd that caught me off guard. He blended right in! Great stuff.

I admit, that shocked me, too. If he keeps this up, he'll surpass JBL as the biggest douchebag on the wrestling planet.

I also liked the match between Umaga and Morrison. They did a really good job in making each other look good.

Seriously, MORRISON NEEDS A FUCKING MAJOR BELT. He's proved himself I don't know how many times, and HE NEEDS A FUCKING MAJOR BELT, DAMMIT!!!!

At 5/30/09 12:01 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Orton?

At least that's my guess. Mostly due to this.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/856/k enndybacksuplexorton.gif

A horrible Back Suplex which almost dropped Orton right on the top of his head. Hell, you can tell by Orton's reaction that he was pissed.

So that explains the odd reaction; I was wondering about that.

So what? People botch moves all the fucking time; why is this any different? This is bias, and I HATE IT.

At 5/31/09 12:35 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: If you had a PWInsider Elite account you'd know (seriously guys, it's so worth the money, that's why I shill for it all the time).

All in due time, for me.

Now I'm going to try and explain some things as much as I can without violating my PWI agreement.

Here goes:

Somebody in this topic already guessed the reason why Kennedy was released, it's not the whole reason obviously, but it's the straw that broke the camel's back. This is a guy Vince Mcmahon saw as a HUGE main event player. He got MITB at Mania 23, he was set to headline and win at Mania 24 against the guy who was going to be champion then, but he got hurt. Probably interesting to remember that if Taker hadn't been hurt with his bicep shortly after Mania he would have had what was being described as basically a year long title reign...hmmm....year long reign, Kennedy to win at Mania 24? Hmmm.....

YOU MEAN KENNEDY COULD'VE BROKEN THE STREAK!? FUCK!

Also let's talk about something that is common knowledge after you're done with that puzzler I've put up there. He was at one point supposed to be Mr. McMahons son, he was going to be right up there in the McMahon family, and then he got hurt, he got busted for wellness, and it all went poof. This guy has been given not one, but TWO dream opportunities to become a player. You have young talented guys that are over (like CM Punk) that would love that kind of gift handed to them. You have guys that didn't get anything near a fair shake who would love that kind of gift handed to them (Scotty Goldman). This guy had it, and because he just kept getting hurt, and making dumb decisions and statements, and it's all pissed away. This guy had the office salivating to get him over, seemingly more so then Randy Orton who's been the poster boy for a non-McMahon connected performer or heel in the last decade that the office was willing to go insane to get over.

Kennedy had opportunities placed in front of him that no one will ever have again. One of them I guarantee there will never even be a CONVERSATION of giving a guy that sort of rub again, the moment passed. No one will ever be given that kind of a rocket again I'm quite sure, and this guy had two shots at the push of a lifetime and blew them both. That makes him the very definition of a guy who did the least with the most.

And yet, how many mistakes has Jeff Hardy made? Again, this whole thing is pissing me off.

KENNEDY!!!!