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i sorta feel sry for chavo cuz for some reason hes always put against some of best so he always loses fast because realy only good moment for him was in wrestlmania when his shoe came off and other guy got distracted by it and chavo won

i just wanna say for the cena jerico macth that i think jericho was gonna win

At 4/24/09 07:47 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: For the draft to matter, for guys to really get elevated yeah, you can't keep mixing and matching on the shows.

dude ur totaly right on that whats the point of brands if they always come together

At 4/25/09 02:27 AM, 7thkiller wrote: i sorta feel sry for chavo cuz for some reason hes always put against some of best so he always loses fast because realy only good moment for him was in wrestlmania when his shoe came off and other guy got distracted by it and chavo won

You're thinking of Eddie vs. Angle man. I'm positive you are.

i just wanna say for the cena jerico macth that i think jericho was gonna win

Psssh, superman Cena does not lose on TV!!! IT MUST NOT HAPPEN!!! That reminds me of a science teacher I had in 7th grade...crappy teacher, but his approach to a lecture on over population really stuck with me, because it's so satirical but true, and it probably explains a lot of how WWE thinks when you stop and think about it, let me share what I remember (again, been drinking fairly heavily, yay big mug of Long Island Iced Tea), anywho:

He said to imagine a planet which is run by rabbits, rabbits are the top species and have done basically everything humans have. At some point of course the inevitable point that rabits must die off (at least incrementally) and (I swear to God, my grandparents grave, my dog's grave, the bible, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS TRUE AND BELIEVABLE FOR YOU, I'M SWEARING ON IT!!!) This guy would get more and more agitated, to the point of actually sliding across a table and screaming into a kid's face (we're 7th graders remember) "RABBITS CAN'T DIE!!!!! RABBITS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT SPECIES!!!". Now, his point is obvious. Human beings think of themselves as the most important species, therefore our needs subsume all others. Now let's apply that to WWE,

Let's say you're on creative and you say "you know what Mr. Macmahon (Yes, in my fucked up head right now everyone talks like Gerry Briscoe. Don't know who Gerry Briscoe is? Do some google searching or go kill yourself for not being a real fan, sorry, you need to) I think John Cena should maybe do a job for that new heel we're trying to establish" and Vince then plays the role of that science teacher screaming "CENA CAN'T JOB!!! CENA IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT GUYS HERE!!!" and that's a damn good point to remember in the end too here folks. Like for instance the next time you're going to say "oh, look at H, he's burying somebody again" hey, guess who was the last word signing off on Hunter doing that? It was pappa Vince. In the end its always Vince man...it all goes back to how he wants shit to be...so next time you're gonna blame somebody for being a scumbag tool, or bitch about how somebody never loses, best make sure you lay the ultimate blame where it belongs.

In closing: Fuck You Vince and Steph...you keep me from being proud of a business I love.

Time to stop posting now I think, I'm rambling,

At 4/24/09 04:50 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Which is a total lie if you've seen this week's SD already. I won't go into detail, but a match was announced featuring a SD guy vs a RAW guy, and its going to happen AFTER Backlash.

Dolph Ziggler vs MVP?
i like ziggler, and this push he's receiving, but i dont see him beating MVP for the title.. mainly coz they switched MVP and Mysterio because they were both holding the midcard titles

but that isnt pissing me off as much as the main event for smackdown.. Batista and Shane McMahon vs Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase... those 4 were not even involved in the draft what so ever.. and now Batista and Ted Dibiase were in BOTH smackdown main events 2 weeks in a row... THATS whats pissing me off.. keep it on their own shows!

ok so i watched TNA for the first time in ages..
and god how horrible it was... i wanted to see what bobby lashley would do/say.. i was waiting... waiting... waiting.... still waiting.. ok i waited for 2 friggin hours of Mick Foley time fillers, commercials, backstage segments.. oh and the occasional match here and there, to see Lashley come out.... and do the same fucking thing he did at lockdown!

seriously, the same thing, his music hit, he came out and pointed, and kurt angle smiled. god...
well it was good to see Trevor Murdoch.. oh i'm sorry.. 'Jethro Holiday' (god it sounds like a name for a gay hillbilly..) wrestle again.

but man now i remember why i stopped watching TNA!... end of rant lol

i like war cause john cena is my favorite

i like raw because of john cena

At 4/25/09 02:27 AM, 7thkiller wrote: 2 things

i sorta feel sry for chavo cuz for some reason hes always put against some of best so he always loses fast because realy only good moment for him was in wrestlmania when his shoe came off and other guy got distracted by it and chavo won

I do and then i don't. Lets just face it Chavo has just become a jobber to everyone he has faced. It started around wrestlemania 24 with his match against Kane. It is just apparent he is only in the company still becausre of his deceased brother. It could be other things, but i doubt he will ever be a real competitor ever again. he has no momentum ever and when he gets just a little it get's decimated by john cena or HHH.

i just wanna say for the cena jerico macth that i think jericho was gonna win

He will never beat cena on live tv cena is just untouchable being the wwe's poster boy.

Eddie was Chavo's uncle, but they were very close in age so they grew up like brothers.

I haven't seen TNA in years. I keep forgetting its on. And from what some people are saying why bother? I guess it would be cool to see all the WWE castoffs again since that's who is getting pushed. With each former WWE guy they hire one of their home grown stars gets less air time.

I think its amusing when you post here drunk Avie. Your rants go all over the place which makes it fun to figure out what you are talking about.

At 4/25/09 12:24 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: 'Jethro Holiday' (god it sounds like a name for a gay hillbilly..) wrestle again.

Well goddamn, now you've gone and ruined Vince Russo's epic swerve! Or maybe the swerve is that he gets on a mic and "shoots" about how he isn't really southern or something.

At 4/26/09 12:00 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I think its amusing when you post here drunk Avie. Your rants go all over the place which makes it fun to figure out what you are talking about.

i was actually a bit drunk last night when i wrote my 2 messages
but i was more along the lines of "sobering up" than off my face drunk

but i stand by both the messages i wrote

Ok, sorry to everyone who enjoys my lengthy predictions, but I have so much coursework to do that I am unfortunately reduced by time to post very short, quick predictions. So, for the first time ever I believe, it's time for The D-Lucks Backlash Predictions.... In A Nutshell. Winners in bold, stips in italics, yadda yadda yadda.

1. CM Punk vs. Kane

To channel Gordon Solie; one word, six letters: filler. I don't see Punk losing to Kane as Punk is ultimately Mr Money in the Bank and shouldn't be jobbing to Kane on PPV. Hopefully Punk's push with MitB will be better than his last one.
Punk to win.

2. Chris Jericho vs. Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat

While I loved Steamboat's performance at WrestleMania and am glad to see he can still go at it, I've got to think that he must do as he did on April 5th and go out on his back for the benefit of Jericho, Jericho needs putting over as one of the top heels on his new brand, and so Steamboat should eb doing the right thing and putting Jericho over.
Jericho to win.

3. Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy (I Quit Match)

Now apparently, Jeff's contract is running out and he isn't in favour of resigning, With that in mind, it will be hardly surprising if Matt goes over tonight, considering his future with the company isn't in jeopardy. Plus similarly to Jericho, Matt needs putting over as a upper-midcard heel on Raw, so going 4-0 against Jeff will certainly sort that out.
Matt to win.

4. ECW Champion Jack Swagger vs. Christian

Considering the reason Swagger didn't defend the title at Mania was supposedly that Vince didn't think he was ready for such a big show (which I personally think is ludicrous considering Swagger's previous bouts with Christian and his subsequent bout with Cena on the Draft show), I get the feeling Christian will be passed the strap tonight. Although I've no doubt that Swagger has a good future in the 'E, it looks like his title reign is over as of tonight.
Christian to win the title.
Wow, these really are in a nutshell so far.

5. WWE Champion Triple H, Shane McMahon and Batista vs Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase(If any of Legacy gets the pinfall, Randy Orton becomes WWE Champion)

Besides this match having a stipulation almost worthy of TNA, it's also a stip that pretty much screams "We need to get the belt off Triple H, but we don't want him pinned to lose it". That said, I wouldn't be surprised if we even see a McTurn (considering he himself is second generation [3rd if you count Vince Sr.]) tonight. Or even a YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHTurn. Either way, I get the feeling that we get the result many thought should have occurred at Mania and Randy Orton becomes the new champ. Perhaps will see DiBiase or Rhodes get the pin on Shane?
Orton for new champ.

6. World Heavyweight Champion John Cena vs. Edge (Last Man Standing Match)

PLEASE. Oh Good Lord, please let Edge get a major title back to Smackdown tonight. And hopefully we'll get a lengthy Edge reign this time instead of one that only lasts a month and a half. Even with the hard brand split supposedly coming after tonight (with the exception of MVP/Ziggler next Smackdown), Smackdown still needs a top belt. So hopefully Edge gets it tonight after one hell of a promo on Smackdown Friday night.
Edge for new champion.

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So there we are, sorry again for the short predictions, but coursework unfortunately must come first. Sorry guys.
Although, any thoughts on my nutshellified predictions?

There are only 2 of your picks I don't agree with, D-Lucks.

I think Jeff Hardy will beat Matt Hardy (In a lame attempt by WWE to swerve the fans), but will get beat down post-match.

I think Cena will beat Edge, Punk will challenge him to a title match at Judgment Day (Which just happens to be in Punk's hometown of Chicago), and he'll win the title there.

I know, Punk beating Cena is wishful thinking, but that's what I'm going with.

The 2009 Backlash Pay-Per-View seems to have arrived at us very fast.It's not long after Wrestlemania 25 and the recent WWE Draft, leaving just a few weeks leading to this event. With all that going on, WWE really had to scramble once again to try to build some hype for the various matches, one of which was recently added (CM Punk vs. Kane). Three titles are on the line here, with only one being defended under traditional rules (ECW Title). Cena's World Heavyweight title goes on the line against Edge in a Last Man Standing match, while Triple H's WWE Title is on the line in a Six Man Tag match against Team Orton. The Hardy brothers pick up their feud with an "I Quit" Match, and to give some possible comic relief, Santina Marella is scheduled to pucker up for Great Khali's Kiss Cam. The big questions that come with this PPV are will WWE look to move one of the major titles back to Smackdown, and will CM Punk be cashing in his MITB contract? Let's see...

Here's thoughts and predictions for this year's Backlash PPV...

Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs. Chris Jericho
It's tough to recall another WWE superstar who was inducted into the Hall of Fame then returned to the ring to resume his wrestling career afterwards, but Steamboat seems to be the man achieving that benchmark. Seeing as Chris Jericho was recently drafted to Smackdown, I don't see a loss here jeopardizing his stature or rise on the new show. Steamboat will amaze the fans once again as he continues what seems to be a glory tour on the heels of his entry to the Hall of Fame.

Prediction: The Dragon emerged victorious with an entertaining showing for the fans.

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CM Punk vs. Kane
This match continues to baffle me; it seems strange that it was added into the mix late, because there really isn't a feud going on or any real reason for this one. CM Punk won the MITB by knocking Kane off the ladder, but it's not like Kane's been calling Punk out on the mic or in interviews. The more I look at it, the more it seems like something might go down with Punk's MITB opportunity at Backlash. This match may have been added as a diversion, to have Punk get beat, then allow him to cash in his MITB when fans least expect it later on. Punk will defeat Kane yet again here, because he needs to build up credibility on his rise to the top again.

Prediction: CM Punk wins another one against Kane.

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Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy
I Quit Match
Jeff Hardy needs a win pretty badly lately, unless WWE is going the route of Matt Hardy seeming to dominate his younger brother over and over. There's been recent talks and rumors that Jeff wants away from WWE (he's not accepting contract offers), and if that's true, then this may be one way to send him off. Remember back several years ago to when Chavo Guerrero did this sort of thing to Rey Mysterio, giving Rey time off for surgery and rehab. Chavo continually hammered away on Rey's knee as Mysterio was hanging upside down from a metal scaffolding, and Rey finally screamed "I Quit" in pain. In this scenario, I'd like to think Jeff's sticking with the WWE Universe, but it's looking like Matt will continue with the momentum of beating up on his younger brother in and around the ring.

Prediction: Matt Hardy punishes Jeff even more, forcing him to yell "I Quit".

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Christian vs. Jack Swagger
ECW Championship
Christian's got the fan support and he's been on the rise, but Swagger defeated him in a great title contest once before. Another thing to remember is the upcoming contract ending for ECW legend Tommy Dreamer. Dreamer has vowed to win the ECW title again before his contract is set to expire, or he retires. It would seem like Jack Swagger needs to be the guy holding the title for Dreamer to defeat, the classic underdog pulling off the upset win against the cocky champion. So while it'd be nice to see Christian as champion, there's really only a month left for Swagger to hold the title, before losing it or retiring Dreamer.

Prediction: Jack Swagger defeats Christian to stay ECW Champion.

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Edge vs. John Cena
World Heavyweight Title
Last Man Standing match
Here's where things get really interesting. You've got to believe that WWE is looking to either unify the two major titles, or move one back to Smackdown. If the latter is true, then this match could be how it's done. Fans were shocked weeks ago during the draft because HHH was brought to Raw, but Cena wasn't moved to Smackdown. So at Backlash, Edge will once again find some sort of opportunity to win here. Cena and Edge have put on some memorable matches, and exchanged titles several times, so it's nothing shocking, unless that MITB comes into play. I also won't be surprised if this is where CM Punk decides to cash in since both men are going to be pretty beaten up. Punk could give us a case of Deja Vu and cash in on Edge once again, raining on the Rated-R Superstar's parade. It seems quite unlikely for Cena to retain here, unless Punk's going to somehow steal away the WWE title.

Prediction: Edge defeats Cena and becomes new World Heavyweight Champion.

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Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes & Ted Dibiase vs. Triple H, Shane McMahon & Batista
WWE Title Six Man Tag Match
This match seems like less of a buildup of the Orton-Triple H feud that Triple H handled at Wrestlemania 25, and more of a buildup of a future Triple H vs. Batista feud. This match could easily go two ways; one would have Batista winning the match, setting up claims that he helped save Triple H's WWE Title. The other more likely route will be that Batista and HHH get involved into some sort of argument or rift that leads to Team Orton winning the title for Randy. Either way, it seems a Batista vs. HHH feud is inevitable now, and that will lead to Cena challenging for Orton's WWE title.

Winners: Team Orton wins it somehow due to Batista and Triple H getting involved in a dispute. Shane is middleman but it won't matter, as Orton wins the WWE Title.

Ahoy - great predictions as usual, guys.

I think if WWE wanted to really leave the fans in shock and awe they could have Punk cash in tonight and... lose? He did "make history" being the first to win MITB twice in a row, why not have have him make history again by being the first to get shot down after cashing in MITB? Yeah, I hate seeing Cena in the victor's circle as much as the next guy, but what a better way to turn Punk heel, which seems to be what everyone wants.

That, however, would put three of the four main eventers (assuming Punk gets a nice, healthy push) on SD! heel (Edge, Jericho, and Punk, with the obvious exception of the Undertaker), and I honestly couldn't see that happening. WWE could always go with a Jericho-Taker feud (Jericho "hates legends" so much, why not put him against one of the biggest fan favourites of all time?), meanwhile Edge and Punk tear each other apart in a heel-on-heel style feud, wherein the victor of some stip PPV match gets to take on Cena at Night of Champions or something to that effect.

Could work, but eh... just a thought. What would you guys like to see happen with Punk this time around?

At 4/26/09 09:27 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: 1. CM Punk vs. Kane
Punk to win.

Couldn't agree more. Kane is great in the role of putting other people over. Kane's sort of like a low profile Jeff Hardy, in that you really can't take any momentum away from him. Whatever you do, he's still a more or less believable monster. He's always just there.

2. Chris Jericho vs. Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat
Jericho to win.

If Steamboat couldn't beat Jericho after two other guys had 'weakened' him, then he really shouldn't win now. They say you should go out on your back in the wrestling biz. People will still love Ricky anyway.
Then again, they could play up that Jericho's jaw is really hurting and that ends up costing him the match. You know, after Rourke's killer right hook.

3. Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy (I Quit Match)
Matt to win.

I can't decide on this. I like pep's scenario, of Jeff getting beat up post-match. Realistically, though, you have to have the face win at the end of the feud right? Maybe this feud will defy normal convention though, since Jeff's future is uncertain.

4. ECW Champion Jack Swagger vs. Christian
Christian to win the title.

I can't decide on this one either. I don't think Christian really needs this, and you'd expect him to move on to bigger and better things eventually. But they didn't draft him, so I'm undecided.

5. WWE Champion Triple H, Shane McMahon and Batista vs Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase(If any of Legacy gets the pinfall, Randy Orton becomes WWE Champion)
Orton for new champ.

Unfortunately, I agree with this. Orton has to win eventually, and this would be the weakest possible way for it to happen, so it probably will right?
Shane'O'Mac turning would make this even more lame, but if he does the van terminator, I'll be happy.

6. World Heavyweight Champion John Cena vs. Edge (Last Man Standing Match)
Edge for new champion.

Logically, I'd like Edge to win, Punk to come out and cash his MITB in for a title match in Chicago, lose that match, and maybe turn heel or something in frustration.
So, Cena to retain.

Well, WWE switched all three titles tonight, and I am happy that Orton beat H basically clean. I'm not the guy's biggest fan but if they're going to really try and "make him" once and for all, then he's gotta be able to show he can hang with H and beat him, mission accomplished. Also if you're going to have three top titles for three shows and hard split then logically you needed Edge to get a victory here to get that rolling. I liked the Punk swerve last year but didn't want to see it happen again this year, would have just felt dumb.

Speaking of Punk, why is he jobbing to Kane? I can understand if they want to re-establish Kane (particularly if he's going to either be teaming with or feuding with Taker again in the near future) but couldn't you have picked somebody else? Somebody who hasn't strongly been hinting he'll be in a world title match in a month? Geez. Although speaking of that, you know, maybe now would be a good time to do the "MITB does not always equal new champion" thing. You've got the slimiest sneakiest of heels in Edge as champion, so he can find some way to just screw Punk out of win at JD when Punk has him dead to rights, and we can maybe push this thing off till June or July where Punk keeps earning rematches, and Teddy Long keeps adding stips to try and counter whatever sneaky tactics Edge uses to hang onto the belt each time till finally Punk beats him. I tend to think this may be the best strategy if we're finally at that point where WWE feels like seeing what they really have in Punk, and I think Edge has deserved a reign of a few months finally (for christ's sake he's a 9 TIME CHAMPION now and I don't think he's had a reign go longer then 3 full months!!). I know WWE has never really been a company based on the heel champion running long, but in this case I really think they should go with the chase story because they can make some money with it while it happens, but they can also make money in the long term with what it will do to make Punk look worthy and heroic when he finally gets it.

Either way, SD! should be must watch programming for me right now because we've got a main event picture that really makes me happy as a fan.

Didn't actually see the PPV, but since I'm a fan of heel champions (especially when they're as awesome as Edge), I'm happy with the results. Christian winning is also swell. A bit surprised that Jeff beat Matt, though. I'm guessing that either WWE is sucking up, Jeff's reconsidering, or nothing's changed and they'll have a loser-gets-fired match or something later down on the line.

Now, as long as the draft results actually mean something, things look interesting for the foreseeable future.

I think the result of the Hardy match makes sense. If Jeff doesn't resigh he still has a few months to g obefore his contract is up. The fued wouldn't be as good is it was one sided the whole way through because then Jeff would look like a weak opponent making Matts victories mean less.

Very cool with all the title changes. After the promo Edge did on SD he really deserved the belt. Course he needed the belt anyway but his promo just made it that much better.

Now the draft should be in place so some new fueds can start. Let's hope they dive right into some new stuff on Raw tonight.

Sounds like it was a really good show, and right about now, I'm regretting leaving home for uni yesterday, since I'd have got Backlash for free on Sky Sports.

I do hope Edge has a longer reign with the belt this time, dude really deserves it. And I'd be alright with Punk cashing in the MITB and losing, especially if it's not a clean loss.
It could set up a long feud between the two, really elevate Punk to the Main Event level (getting the belt didn't elevate him last time, so it doesn't really matter if he wins it straight away this time), and who knows, he could maybe even come out with the belt at the end of it.

Looks like H and Cena may be on a little hiatus as they appear to be moving Batista now into the position of carrying the brand with H vs. Orton in pencil for SS. Which to me is not really the best idea I think, since Batista/Orton is a totally fresh match and I think would drive more Summerslam buys, but H probably does need a break

I like the idea of a hiatus for those two, as Raw has plenty of top faces already. This could give the ones who are on the cusp of the main event the opportunity to show what they've got to offer.
And if it doesn't work, they can always bring Cena or Trips back.

Raw was decent last night. I liked how they used MVP as he was seen as a threat to Orton. Course Shane had to still be in the spotlight. Aw well... At least he can somewhat wrestle.

It seems Matts injury is legit. From what I've heard he will try to stay on tv in some capacity but in a limited one.

Noble looked weird with a shaved head.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Swagger and Christian do tonight.

At 4/28/09 09:15 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Raw was decent last night. I liked how they used MVP as he was seen as a threat to Orton. Course Shane had to still be in the spotlight. Aw well... At least he can somewhat wrestle.

They should have had Cody or the other one wrestle MVP leading to one of them eventually winning the US title.
Those two look pathetic every week getting owned by trips, now Orton has the title its time to start building the priceless pair up as well.
Make legacy legitimate.

all i saw from backlash was the end of the ECW title match, Edge and Christian going face to face backstage and the beginning of Jericho vs Steamboat

but from what i've heard, backlash was pretty good.. i actually kinda wanna check it out
and i'm not normally like that, if i miss a ppv i'll normally just wait until it comes out on dvd to watch it
but this one actually seems worthy of watching

also i heard christian and edge had a bit of a stare down when he came to check up on cena after the Last Man Standing match.. i like what i'm seeing

also i only saw the first half of raw but it was actually pretty decent, MVP's promo was pretty good, he definately had the crowd behind him in that segment, i reckon they should build him as permanent babyface type now, kinda like what they did with The Rock.. Rocky's push pretty much started with him as a heel but he then turned face for pretty much the rest of his career (besides his short heel run in early 03).

It's nice to see that they're actually using The Brian Kendrick on RAW, i was expecting him to be banished from television after this draft, also he was vsing Kofi Kingston in a good fast paced match.. now probably most of us doubted that Kendrick was going to walk away victorious, but it was nice to see that they let him put up a fight, instead of just jobbing like he has been lately.. i really hope WWE can look past his marijuana usage and give him another push again... many other wrestlers have done more worse things than Kendrick.. cmon seriously

Ok what was with Matt Hardy's promo?.. why did they have him talk with a whiny "i'm about to burst into tears" voice.. i didn't get it, just like last night when he pussed out to jeff.. way to put him over wwe... anyway he vs'd Goldust, it's always nice to have the Gold man in the ring, but of course we knew he was only there for one reason.. to job.
Yeah this kind of bothers me, don't get me wrong.. matt hardy deserves the push and all, but why are they taking all these guys from the attitude era and making them job to everyone? (Val Venis, Hardcore Holly, DLo Brown, Funaki etc) these guys helped make WWE what it is today and what do they get in return? 2 minutes of jobbing time.. and even getting released! inface all of those guys i mentioned besides Funaki have been given the boot.. it's a real shame.

also now seeing jamie noble with his new inmate haircut teaming up with Chavo Guerrero, it seems he's become one of those "i'm not important enough to have an actual role" wrestlers (ie: Mark Jindrak 2005)

At 4/28/09 09:59 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: It's nice to see that they're actually using The Brian Kendrick on RAW, i was expecting him to be banished from television after this draft, also he was vsing Kofi Kingston in a good fast paced match.. now probably most of us doubted that Kendrick was going to walk away victorious, but it was nice to see that they let him put up a fight, instead of just jobbing like he has been lately.. i really hope WWE can look past his marijuana usage and give him another push again... many other wrestlers have done more worse things than Kendrick.. cmon seriously

It's not because he used weed, RVD used weed ALL THE TIME his usage was PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. Kendrick isn't pushed because he doesn't DRAW like RVD does, he doesn't get pushed because he's a small guy and they never really push small guys past a certain level. Kendrick is a solid guy no doubt, they could use him better then an enhancement guy, but let's be real about why they don't do that, it's not because of pot, it's because of his size.

Ok what was with Matt Hardy's promo?.. why did they have him talk with a whiny "i'm about to burst into tears" voice.. i didn't get it, just like last night when he pussed out to jeff.. way to put him over wwe... anyway he vs'd Goldust, it's always nice to have the Gold man in the ring, but of course we knew he was only there for one reason.. to job.

And again I say, what is Goldust worth in 2009? The guy's gimmick worked in 95 because it was new and it was unlike anything they were doing at that time. Once the attitude era came in he was devalued because what he was doing seemed very tame by comparison and Dustin Runnels is just not that great of a worker to begin with.

Yeah this kind of bothers me, don't get me wrong.. matt hardy deserves the push and all, but why are they taking all these guys from the attitude era and making them job to everyone? (Val Venis, Hardcore Holly, DLo Brown, Funaki etc) these guys helped make WWE what it is today and what do they get in return? 2 minutes of jobbing time.. and even getting released! inface all of those guys i mentioned besides Funaki have been given the boot.. it's a real shame.

Dude...seriously. Do you HONESTLY believe any of these names you mentioned actually helped MAKE the WWE during the Attitude era? Do you think a single person bought a ticket BECAUSE these guys were on the show? All pretty good workers, but totally mid-card attractions that got about as far as they were going to get. The guys who were able to be headliners then were made into headliners. Simple as that, I think more could be gotten out of a guy like Dlo, more could have been done with Val in the last few years sure. Holly was a bastard with a chip on his shoulder so it's probably best he isn't around anymore, and Funaki has ALWAYS been comedy and the fact that they've kept him around this long to only sporadically do anything with him actually says something pretty nice about WWE I think.

This is what is wrong with internet smarks and attitude era marks sometimes I'm sorry to say. Some of you don't understand reality and you get mad when guys YOU like don't get a bigger push or get better featured, you make up ridiculous claims like "they helped build the WWE's most successful period" uh sorry, no they didn't. The headliners built that up, the depth of talent they had then that could be used as headliners and main eventers keeping things from stale built that up. The mid-carders were important in their time to help keep people from changing the channel, but let's not make more of those guys then what they really were.

also now seeing jamie noble with his new inmate haircut teaming up with Chavo Guerrero, it seems he's become one of those "i'm not important enough to have an actual role" wrestlers (ie: Mark Jindrak 2005)

At 4/27/09 09:25 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Looks like H and Cena may be on a little hiatus as they appear to be moving Batista now into the position of carrying the brand with H vs. Orton in pencil for SS. Which to me is not really the best idea I think, since Batista/Orton is a totally fresh match and I think would drive more Summerslam buys, but H probably does need a break

Looks like Raw is now will be missing 3 of its top stars. I've heard that hhh may be takeing some time off to spend with this 2 kids and cena is going to be making a movie for the next few months and then HBK will be out until after judgement day to rest his knees up. So it looks like Batista and Orton will carry the brand and set up for some fresh matches a good thing if you really think about it.

HHH looks to retun around summerslam for a final HHH vs. orton match and HBK will be back around that time so it will be interesting to see where he will be at that time and if he continues to work with the undertaker. I know it would just be a good match and that thy probaly will give HBK the win like they did with cena a few years back.

At 4/28/09 01:54 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: It's not because he used weed, RVD used weed ALL THE TIME his usage was PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. Kendrick isn't pushed because he doesn't DRAW like RVD does, he doesn't get pushed because he's a small guy and they never really push small guys past a certain level. Kendrick is a solid guy no doubt, they could use him better then an enhancement guy, but let's be real about why they don't do that, it's not because of pot, it's because of his size.

I don't think they're that biased, guys like Mysterio, Bourne & even goddamn Hornswoggle (who btw is probably getting pushed because of that very reason) i think there has to be more of a reason than "he's too small.."

And again I say, what is Goldust worth in 2009? The guy's gimmick worked in 95 because it was new and it was unlike anything they were doing at that time. Once the attitude era came in he was devalued because what he was doing seemed very tame by comparison and Dustin Runnels is just not that great of a worker to begin with.

Goldust isn't that bad, sure he might be very gimmicked but there are worse, also the guy is pretty damn good in promos, he's had some good ones. I know it would seem impossible to do, but if they gave him a character makeover, it would definately get him more tv time

Dude...seriously. Do you HONESTLY believe any of these names you mentioned actually helped MAKE the WWE during the Attitude era?

I definately know Funaki would never be anything higher than cruiserweight champion, also i knew after Holly's failed push attempt with Brock Lesnar, it would be over for him, i did however like Val's push, specially when he was Bischoff's lackey, and it did give him the tag titles im pretty sure.. and yes they really could of done something with DLo.. well, much more than they did this time around anyway.. he was definately worthy of a long length IC title reign or something.

This is what is wrong with internet smarks and attitude era marks sometimes I'm sorry to say. Some of you don't understand reality and you get mad when guys YOU like don't get a bigger push or get better featured, you make up ridiculous claims like "they helped build the WWE's most successful period" uh sorry, no they didn't. The headliners built that up, the depth of talent they had then that could be used as headliners and main eventers keeping things from stale built that up. The mid-carders were important in their time to help keep people from changing the channel, but let's not make more of those guys then what they really were.

Mid-carders are wrestlers too, you know.. wrestlers, just like HHH, The Rock, Stone Cold, who were all midcarders once in their career, and everyone probably had the same attitude as they do today saying "screw those guys, let's watch the main even!".
If you know me, then you'd know that alot of the wrestlers i like are the midcarders, and i know some of them definately weren't gonna get a big push (Shannon Moore, Mark Jindrak, Funaki) and i was fine with that.. but there are guys who i do think should rightfully get a push like Kendrick, Ziggler, DH Smith, The Colons & Haas who all have good talent but instead are being shoved aside because they want John Cena or Randy Orton to deliver a 10 minute promo.. and i don't get mad when it happens, i just feel that WWE could really do better than that..
there's nothing wrong with a little bit of protest, this isn't nazi camp, it's just wrestling.

I'm glad Batista beat Big Show, I would rather like to see Batista be champion again(whoever won the match was obviously going to beat Orton at Judgement Day).

At 4/28/09 07:14 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: I don't think they're that biased, guys like Mysterio, Bourne & even goddamn Hornswoggle (who btw is probably getting pushed because of that very reason) i think there has to be more of a reason than "he's too small.."

Rey sells tons of merch and appeals to the hispanic audience, big reason why he's back on SD! that last bit. So that overcomes his size. Bourne is on a developmental brand that Vince isn't terribly "hands on" with like he is RAW, and has gotten himself over and is getting a decent push sure. Hornswoggle is a midget character and they can put him into the kind of "comedy" angles that Vince personally pops for. So ok, it is something more then "he's too small" it's that he hasn't been able to create that niche for his small self that overcomes that stigma for him.

Goldust isn't that bad, sure he might be very gimmicked but there are worse, also the guy is pretty damn good in promos, he's had some good ones. I know it would seem impossible to do, but if they gave him a character makeover, it would definately get him more tv time

He's had character makeovers and they're always for the worse. He is a decent promo I agree, but again, what is that character going to do to move ratings or merchandise or ppv buys? I understand guys gotta eat and all that good stuff but hey, some guys are just worth more then others and if they really intend on having borders shut down tight (or mostly tight) then they really only have two prime time hours (and one hour that a VERY small audience will see) a weeks to feature guys that are going to be on PPV's and making money NOW, and guys that could make money in the future. If you don't fit into one of these categories, then they really shouldn't be spending that much, if any, time on you. Goldust is a comedy character to use sporadically until they maybe decide to do some kind of "brother vs. brother" thing to elevate Cody.

I definately know Funaki would never be anything higher than cruiserweight champion,

Ayup, so again, how did he really draw or "build" anything?

also i knew after Holly's failed push attempt with Brock Lesnar, it would be over for him,

I think it was over for him in 99 when he got hurt in the midst of that big push with H. I think his push with Lesnar as I remember was about just giving Lesnar something to do until the next big feud started. Again, a guy that was decent, but never really broke out or if he'd been let go earlier on would have been missed terribly.

i did however like Val's push, specially when he was Bischoff's lackey, and it did give him the tag titles im pretty sure..

He was also a multi-time IC champ back when that still mattered. Val was a guy that I think they should have hung onto to use as an agent, or a working agent like Finlay where he could be on ECW or one of the other brands working in front of the camera in a solid mid-card role helping on camera and behind the scenes to work with that younger talent and teach them how to become the stars WWE really needs. I think releasing him was stupid, but again I think you're miscategorized this guy in importance.

and yes they really could of done something with DLo.. well, much more than they did this time around anyway.. he was definately worthy of a long length IC title reign or something.

Could have done more? Sure, but he is in no way somebody who "built" the attitude era as was you're contention. Had you just said "I think they really missed some opportunity to get some more out of these guys" I'd agree with you. I just don't think you should place guys higher up in importance then what they actually were is all.

Mid-carders are wrestlers too, you know.. wrestlers, just like HHH, The Rock, Stone Cold, who were all midcarders once in their career, and everyone probably had the same attitude as they do today saying "screw those guys, let's watch the main even!".

Some people did, some people in WCW where two of those guys worked had that attitude (Undertaker was even told when he left WCW he'd amount to nothing in the business and nobody would ever buy a ticket for him) but those guys all had that intangible "it" factor that made people want them elevated and made them the type of performer people wanted to pay to see (draws). None of the guys on your list were going to get to that level I don't think because they were there at a point when there was a lot of room for moving up and opportunity was abundant and they just never broke out. I'm not saying mid-carders aren't important, you have to have good cards top to bottom to really keep people's interest and all that, but a headliner is in the end what's putting asses in the seats, and they're the guys that are building up a brand. So again my issue is not that I think those guys sucked or weren't worth a damn, just that the label you're assigning to them is inaccurate and a little insulting I think to the people who actually earned it.

If you know me, then you'd know that alot of the wrestlers i like are the midcarders, and i know some of them definately weren't gonna get a big push (Shannon Moore, Mark Jindrak, Funaki) and i was fine with that.. but there are guys who i do think should rightfully get a push like Kendrick, Ziggler, DH Smith, The Colons & Haas who all have good talent but instead are being shoved aside because they want John Cena or Randy Orton to deliver a 10 minute promo.. and i don't get mad when it happens, i just feel that WWE could really do better than that..

I agree they can do better, of your list, I'd say Smith hasn't really shown me anything yet to say that he belongs, of course he kind of needs the chance doesn't he? Haas I think probably needs more of a chance to really judge. The Colons could be such a bigger better act, but the problem is Vince doesn't really see money in tag teams (which I think is terribly myopic on his part). Ziggler is somebody again that I think we really need to get more time to see what he's really got to be able to say "ok, this is what he can be". But there are other guys like MVP or CM Punk that I feel are right on that cusp and can move up much faster because they're basically "ready" they just need to be focused on and that "moment" where they grab that brass ring created for them.

there's nothing wrong with a little bit of protest, this isn't nazi camp, it's just wrestling.

I know, but here's the thing, if you're going to say things that I think are unwarranted or just flat out wrong, be prepared for me and possibly others to call you out on it and ask you to defend the point. That's all.