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At 1/26/09 04:41 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: That myspace thing is kinda sad. Makes me want to post there to say "Hey, you guys know that this is a show and that both Hardy's are playing along right?"

That's even got coverage on PWInsider now. It's just sad how people so old could still be unaware of the storyline aspect of wrestling.
As a kid it's acceptable to be a mark, but you're just showing yourself up to act that way past a certain age.

Let me get this straight..

Big Show, Kane, Taker, HHH. None of those guys could handle Legacy at the Rumble, yet an out of breath, out of shape Shane McMahon can?

Really? I'm all for suspending disbelief when it comes to wrestling, but come on!!!

At 1/26/09 11:47 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Big Show, Kane, Taker, HHH. None of those guys could handle Legacy at the Rumble, yet an out of breath, out of shape Shane McMahon can?

Really? I'm all for suspending disbelief when it comes to wrestling, but come on!!!

Glad they didn't go down the road of Stephanie joining. But yeah I didn't know if I should have been laughing or crying when that started up.
Maybe if Shane could actually put up a good looking fight it would have been different... but geez -.-

The thing that does for certain crack me up when I think of it though, the big smile on Stephanie's face when Shane showed up. It was as if she really thought he'd put on a good show.

I actually feel bad for legacy, it takes serious talent to make it look like they were getting beat down by that display of 'power'.

At 1/27/09 07:51 AM, Ghaleonx5z wrote: Glad they didn't go down the road of Stephanie joining. But yeah I didn't know if I should have been laughing or crying when that started up.

I'm glad she didn't either. The whole McMahon evil family thing is well past it's time. Wishful thinking on my part, but I hope all three of them continue to be the face enforcers for a good while.

Maybe if Shane could actually put up a good looking fight it would have been different... but geez -.-

Did you see Orton no sell those jabs that Shane made to him on the ramp? I couldn't help but laugh.

The thing that does for certain crack me up when I think of it though, the big smile on Stephanie's face when Shane showed up. It was as if she really thought he'd put on a good show.

Or maybe she knew that her brother would give her some quality entertainment at his expense and she was looking forward to it. :D

I actually feel bad for legacy, it takes serious talent to make it look like they were getting beat down by that display of 'power'.

You gotta do what you gotta do to make it in the WWE. Whether it's making out with a mop, kissing Vince's ass, or getting "beat up" by Shane.

At 1/26/09 11:31 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Like most of you, I'm pretty annoyed that we didn't get the Christian return and instead got an irritating heel turn from Matt. Makes me wonder how they're going to fit Christian into this.

If Matt and Edge align, you can align Jeff and Christian so the heels wind up having to face their own blood for the crimes of the past. I still would have liked Christian involved here and too think Edge's reign here will probably be short. The guy has tied The Rock for second most major title wins in WWE history, and he won't get the respect for that he deserves because quite a few of these reigns are only about a month or better.

And of course, HHH HAD to get the most Rumble eliminations, as well as burying Rhodes and DiBiase in the process...

They both got 3/4's of the match time. They were in the final 4, how the fuck do you call that getting buried? I hope they bury some people I really really like that way soon.

And does anyone find it strange that guys like Carlito and JTG were in the Rumble, but not Primo or Shad? They could have used spots like JTG, Duggan and Ziggler for guys a bit more worth a damn, but oh well. The Rumble could have booked mid-card guys way better in my opinion (see; Vontavious Porter, Montel).

Tag teams don't matter man, that's the long and short of it. I thought having Duggan and RVD in was great for the paying customers at home and in the building, that stuff is always part of the Rumble. Plus the comedy guys getting eliminated as well. It's not all about the serious in that match, never has been.

At least Kendrick got an elimination.

And then got friggin bitch tossed, lol.

I thought it was a great show overall, and if anybody was asking themselves "the fuck has avie been?" well, that's why. I had to wait till today to check the show out.

If you didn't wonder/care where I was...well...fuck you too then people :)

At 1/27/09 11:52 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: If you didn't wonder/care where I was...well...fuck you too then people :)

I just assumed you had better things to do.

They announced on ECW last night that Matt asked for his release from that brand and will now be part of SD full time. I thinki Avie has it right on the money with Jeff calling Christian for help and have a blood vs. blood kind of thing going.

Or maybe Matt is being blackmailed by Edge and Christian and he had no choice but to attack Jeff. Like he was doing it for his own good to prevent anything else from happening to him That would be an interesting turn for that storyline. Either way WWE wins with this since that has been all we can talk about as of late.

At 1/28/09 02:04 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: They announced on ECW last night that Matt asked for his release from that brand and will now be part of SD full time. I thinki Avie has it right on the money with Jeff calling Christian for help and have a blood vs. blood kind of thing going.

I seen this coming and it is for the better. Note to Creative: Don't screw this up! I'd hate to see this turn into a short feud and culminate before WM.

Or maybe Matt is being blackmailed by Edge and Christian and he had no choice but to attack Jeff.

Like he was doing it for his own good to prevent anything else from happening to him That would be an interesting turn for that storyline. Either way WWE wins with this since that has been all we can talk about as of late.

If that's the case, I think we win as well. Exploring those uncharted waters could be a good move as there could be so many possibilities, storyline wise. On a related note, who else thinks Christian is much better as a face than a heel?

royal rumble was ok
but it was pretty obvious that orton was gonna win
if you've been watching raw recently, you'd know that 80% of the show is about orton and his legacy, which isn't a bad thing don't get me wrong.. but they just made it too obvious
also besides i've been choosing orton to win the rumble every year since 06 (cept for 08 when he actually had the title) and i knew it'd happen sooner or later.

also easily the biggest suprises were Matt Hardy turning heel, bashing his brother Jeff in the face with a chair, losing his WWE title, as we all most likely thought it would be Christian making his long awaited WWE return to help out Edge. Also another good suprise was RVD making an appearance in the rumble, even though it was only a 1 night only thing, its a good chance that if he ever does come back to wrestling full time, it'd most likely be in the WWE.

Also now that we know Matt Hardy's the one whose been responsible for all the Jeff Hardy incidents, where does this leave Christian? is he gonna return soon, is he gonna be with Edge, or perhaps side with Jeff against Matt and Edge? is he gonna return at all? or has he just disappeared from wrestling? i hope we find out soon

Looking at things now though, it seems to me that (and this is without having read any spoilers or anything) that WWE is trying to do the Matt thing as like he finally snapped after the loss of the ECW title, and then the basically clean loss in the rematch with Swagger. This does not to me appear like a guy who did all that other crap to Jeff (though they could go that way and if they do, they REALLY need to explain what the hell the point was of Matt looking all scarred and like he'd JUST entered some weird depression on Sunday). So it's possible you could still have Christian being behind the incidents with Jeff, but Matt was something they didn't factor into the equation and it just worked out good for them. Because once again, I don't think you assume a Matt and Edge alliance here as it looked like it was more about Matt just robbing Jeff at a crucial moment and the fact that it gave Edge the win didn't seem central to it. Like it could have been ANY opponent, the important thing was that it was No DQ, and Jeff's title was on the line so that's why Matt went after him.

SD! will tell us where they're going here as I have heard that Matt WILL explain the why of his attack. If they do align Matt and Edge though, I think it could be super cool and interesting to bring Christian back as reinforcement for Jeff and we can get some great singles and tag matches built off the "the two greatest brother tag teams in WWE history, the teams that changed tag team wrestling forever...now bitter enemies....looking to tear each other apart. Who will survive?"

Also heard that the ONS PPV is getting it's name changed to Extreme Rules. Thank the fucking lord. I heard it's because they don't like the potentially "mature message" that One Night Stand as a title sends. Which I get. But to me it's just illogical to call an annual event "One Night Stand" it's only a one night stand if it doesn't happen again people!!!! So yeah, don't really care what prompted the name change, just glad it happened.

I heard it was becoming "One Night Only" for the same reason as you stated.

It will be interesting to see what they do with the Hardy situation. While I really hope Christian is brought into this fued I would like to see Hardy vs. Hardy at some point. I just hope they give Matt enough motivation to warrent his heel turn.

It's good they are changing the name. It doesn't fit anymore since I still recall the first one and that PPV rocked.

At 1/29/09 06:45 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: It's good they are changing the name. It doesn't fit anymore since I still recall the first one and that PPV rocked.

Heyman: For those of you wondering, I'm not crying. I was just in the back smoking a joint with Van Dam

:D

i watched smackdown today
Matt Hardy delivered his best promo yet, coming out with a suit on and no entrance music with the chair he hit Jeff with and sat on it in the middle of the ring,
interestingly enough even though he attacked his brother at the rumble, he claimed that he had nothing to do with all the bad things that were happening to Jeff. He said the reason he attacked Jeff was because he's sick of looking out for him, and he's sick of the fans because he's giving 100% in his matches for them, and at the end of the day they all cheer for Jeff instead. He then said the Hardy Boyz team is officially dead and he no longer classifies Jeff as his brother.

it was an awesome promo, you could tell Hardy was really getting into it, it even sounded like he was going to break down during the promo,
but for some reason they played this sad dark music in the background during the whole promo, i didn't quite get that.

also Edge brought back the 5 second pose, so maybe Christian is coming soon after all?

At 1/30/09 05:15 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also Edge brought back the 5 second pose, so maybe Christian is coming soon after all?

Yes! Yes!! *Keeps crossing fingers*
I wanna see more epic promos with Edge and Christian, or if they are enemies. Either way it's quality entertainment.

Hey Random, if you are going to post spoilers please give us a heads up by having a warning. A lot of us haven't seen SD yet and its not fair to give away what happens. Posting spoilers is ok as long as you let people who want to be suprised know so they can skip the post and read it later.

I am looking forward to hearing Matt explain himself. It will set the tone for the fueds to come and with him in a main event position right alongside his brother. Good stuff. I'm cool with this kind of thing since all involved are some of the best workers WWE has. And if they get Christian in there sometime soon it will be made all the better.

At 1/30/09 08:32 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Hey Random, if you are going to post spoilers please give us a heads up by having a warning. A lot of us haven't seen SD yet and its not fair to give away what happens. Posting spoilers is ok as long as you let people who want to be suprised know so they can skip the post and read it later.

Agreed, with Outlaw, it's just a matter of courtesy to others who like to be surprised by the things that happen on the show. I'm sure you were just excited to share with everybody else, which is cool, but yeah, just keep in mind that whole time zones thing :)

I am looking forward to hearing Matt explain himself. It will set the tone for the fueds to come and with him in a main event position right alongside his brother. Good stuff. I'm cool with this kind of thing since all involved are some of the best workers WWE has. And if they get Christian in there sometime soon it will be made all the better.

It seems like they still have that ability to add Christian in there if they want, since from reading what was posted, they did the correct thing with how Matt's turn should be played. It's concise, and it's not trying to make him responsible for things that the set up of the turn did NOT really make one think he'd have done. I think SD! has the most interesting main event picture right now heading into Mania, and maybe my fear of another short Edge title run might have been unfounded. I'm interested to see how that plays out, and that is a GREAT thing.

Let's all see what happens tonight, because I was waiting for this since Sunday.

I'm furious at my former favorite Matt, but we can't say that some of us didn't see it coming.

Definitely a Hardy and Hardy WM.

I can't wait for tonight.

Overall, I think we got a good SD!. They've got three weeks to build to NWO and they effectively started us down that road by getting most of their chamber matches set. The only real issue I had with that was that the finishes were so freakin obvious before the matches even began.

Taker vs. Henry

Show vs. Festus

H vs. Stiff 1 (Khali) vs. Stiff 2 (Kozlov)

Yep, couldn't see that from a mile off.

Matt's promo was good, as was Edge's. It seems like we're moving towards an Edge/Big Show conflict here...perhaps this is what Edge winds up doing for a title defense while the two Hardy's just rip into each other without a belt? I guess it could work since Show can have really good matches with guys when properly motivated and such. Like I say, I like that SD! has got so many possibilities and issues built into the WWE title picture right now. There's so many options they can choose from.

We also saw the return of Umanga which is good too. He could be in the mid card for a little while to re-establish himself as a dominant force. Perhaps he could go after the U.S. Title and have a run with that to show how tough he is.

Yeah the chamber qualifiers were predictable but it was good that they did them early to get the hype machine thing going. I think it's funny that WWE is saying it's a first to have two elimination chambers, when they have done it before already.

At 1/31/09 09:52 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: We also saw the return of Umanga which is good too. He could be in the mid card for a little while to re-establish himself as a dominant force. Perhaps he could go after the U.S. Title and have a run with that to show how tough he is.

Umanga will just squash nobodies for a couple weeks.
People will get bored with him, they will try to move him on to something important and no one will care.
Same as they always do.

US title is MVPs next you would have to think.

At 1/31/09 10:01 AM, Shaun wrote: Umanga will just squash nobodies for a couple weeks.
People will get bored with him, they will try to move him on to something important and no one will care.
Same as they always do.

He desperately needs a new gimmick. Back when he was Jamal he made much more of a crowd impact. Whenever him and Rosey came out as 3-minute warning, you knew some serious shit was about to go down. Now that I think about it, though, character styles like The Great Khali and Umaga seem to be designed to be boring just to make other big names appear to be more entertaining.

first of all sorry guys for posting spoilers

also i saw "umanga"s match, was it just me or did he recieve no heat what so ever?, even when facing the fan favourite, Jimmy Wang Yang

3-minute warning was a shit gimmick.

Yang is a jobber.

It's the guys first bout back, and actually, I think the crowd was pretty hot for all his trademark stuff. Umaga is over and at this point they're looking to re-establish him I think while finding a program for him to get into.

The Gooker Award has been chosen and none other than failed announcer/commentator/GM Mike Adamle has won. You can read all about it here.

They have inductions every year and right now they have a bunch of them posted so if you have time give them a look.

I keep hearig conflicting stories about Mickey Rourke and WM. Some sites say he will be there and others say he won't. Not really sure whats going on at this point.

At 2/1/09 10:02 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: The Gooker Award has been chosen and none other than failed announcer/commentator/GM Mike Adamle has won. You can read all about it here.

Was all his screwing up legit? Seriously, I thought him being that terrible was all part of a storyline to "entertain" the fans. When he up and walked out of an ECW show once, it was on the front page of WWE.com, so maybe that's one of the reasons that I thought it was scripted.

I keep hearig conflicting stories about Mickey Rourke and WM. Some sites say he will be there and others say he won't. Not really sure whats going on at this point.

I read an article on WWE.com with the headline saying that Mickey Rourke is 'Mania bound. Near the end of it, however, it was posted that they were "looking forward" so see him at WM and nothing was confirmed. If he does show up at Wrestlemania, it might be nice because it's an interesting crossover that people are not used to seeing.

Speaking of him, I have yet to see his new movie, "The Wrestler". I don't plan on seeing it in theatres so I'm just going to wait until it comes out for rental. If I like what I see, I'll probably buy it.

Have you guys seen this video from the Onion poking fun at wrestling fans? I have to admit, I chuckled a bit at some of the jokes. I do eat a lot of junk food and soda, but I keep myself in excellent shape.

I'll have to wear a mask for the rest of my life.

At 2/1/09 10:02 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: The Gooker Award has been chosen and none other than failed announcer/commentator/GM Mike Adamle has won. You can read all about it here.

He earned it! That guy was clueless about his job and did nothing really to improve.

I keep hearig conflicting stories about Mickey Rourke and WM. Some sites say he will be there and others say he won't. Not really sure whats going on at this point.

The best I can figure out the timeline is that it runs like this:

1. Vince sees "The Wrestler" in a private screening, hates it, and bans anyone in the company from talking about it or in any way being seen as promoting it.

2. The Wrestler gets an Oscar nomination, Vince now wants to be associated with the film for multiple reasons most likely:

a) The publicity he might get residually

b) His network partners always want him to have some kind of big attraction for Mania he can put on the shows to pop ratings.

c) This presents Vince with his most logical celebrity crossover ever, and maybe a match that won't such and piss off his regular customer base too badly.

3. Vince, or one of the hirelings that deals with such, approaches Rourke about doing a match with Jericho. Rourke obviously accepts and we get his barbs at Jericho, Jericho's promo response on RAW, and the Larry King angle. The deal looks done and it'll be Rourke/Jericho at Mania.

4. Somebody in Rourke's camp, agent, publicist, someone, gets to him and explains to him if he did a match at Mania, he will fuck up his comeback royal because there's no way he'd have a hope of winning the Oscar at that point and the respect and career boost what comes with it. So he made that public statement pulling out.

But Vince says he'll still be there as a guest, and I can see him still doing it once the Oscars are over. But yeah, I just can't see it doing wonders for him career wise if he really plans on making an acting comeback to do anything but maybe a run-in at the big show. It's not like past Mania celebrity participants have had great and long careers in their fields after the appearance.

So tonight we will see more of the Orton/McMahon fued. There are a few things they can do with this depending on what direction they want to take. If they want to keep the McMahons face then they will just go ahead with Shane going after Orton, but if they want Steph to turn heel she could betray Shane and side with Legacy. The last time we saw both Stephanie and Shane together she slapped him in the face so there is that possibility.

We'll also probably see where the HBK/JBL storyline will go. They will have to have a match sometime down the road. Maybe at Maina or perhaps sooner.

Speaking of PPV Mike Knox qualified for the elimination chamber at a house show....Ugh.

At 2/2/09 08:40 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Speaking of PPV Mike Knox qualified for the elimination chamber at a house show....Ugh.

I actually like this. For one, I actually like Knox (Its probably due to the beard), and although there's pretty much no way that Cena will drop the title in the match, at least we're seeing some new guys (Knox, Kingston) getting a chance to be in a big match.

At 2/2/09 09:54 AM, pepeatumi wrote: I actually like this. For one, I actually like Knox (Its probably due to the beard), and although there's pretty much no way that Cena will drop the title in the match, at least we're seeing some new guys (Knox, Kingston) getting a chance to be in a big match.

Yeah, I can get behind that thought process, but my fear is they'll wind up as the first guys out because nobody believes they have a shot. I also like that they continue to advance plans and minor storylines at house shows. Hey, you gotta give people a reason to buy a ticket in these kind of times!!!!