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At 1/10/09 11:36 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Agreed, and this is a huge problem within WWE. You have two guys here that compete on all three shows and have been made a big deal, but then when they get a moment to work with one of the biggest names in the company, they get booked very weakly. It's not even so much that they lost, it's that they lost so quickly that hurts them.

Or maybe it was H who demanded to squash them so that he could look as strong as ever? >:)

Lemme settle this for you DXPlayer. Pay very close attention:

If it happens on a wrestling show, and it is continously mentioned, it is a storyline (sometimes referred to as an "angle") everything on the show is staged and contrived (this is sometimes referred to as a "work"). If one has either been a part of the business, or is familiar enough with the signs, you can sometimes spot the occurrence of a legitimate injury, but that is the only thing that is legitimate. There are no instances where wrestlers or company personal will "go into business for themselves" and break character on TV (anything real on a show would be called a "shoot"), they do sometimes however use real personal problems in the storylines (Jeff Hardy's battles have been made a storyline. When someone mixes fiction and reality that way it can sometimes be known as a "worked shoot"). The sooner you get this, the happier you'll be, and the less dumb you'll look here and elsewhere.

As far as Heyman, I really liked his character then and I liked a lot of the booking (writing) he was doing for SD! then. Heyman very smartly gave off the impression of SD! being something different and competitive with RAW (something that has completely disappeared now) . Even the way he was written out where he'd rather quit then go work for somebody he'd been in such fierce competition with, and had such personal hatred for (Bischoff) was well done, if sad for me because it signaled the end of what I felt was a really great era for SD!.

At 1/12/09 12:12 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Even the way he was written out where he'd rather quit then go work for somebody he'd been in such fierce competition with, and had such personal hatred for (Bischoff) was well done, if sad for me because it signaled the end of what I felt was a really great era for SD!.

i reckon smackdown was still good after heyman left
to me i reckon smackdown jumped the shark when eddie guerrero died, i dunno but ever since then smackdown just started to get really uninteresting, i hated the fact that rey mysterio won the title mainly because of eddie's death.. (which went on as one of the worst title reigns ever in my opinion) and i hated how they brought his death in as a storyline between mysterio and orton (or was it kurt angle?... i cant remember) it was uncalled for and just seemed really tasteless.

Mickey Rourke won a Golden Globe for Best Actor in a Dramatic Role for his performance in "The Wrestler" last night. Bruce Springsteen also won a Golden Globe for his original song, "The Wrestler." Rourke beat out some heavyweights including Leonardo DiCaprio, Frank Langella, Sean Penn and Brad Pitt.

Thats pretty cool right there. I want to see this movie.

PWInsider.com is reporting that Kevin Nash did indeed suffer a recent staff infection which was why he was pulled from last night's Genesis PPV as indicated by TNA. The injury is legit, Nash was hospitalized, and although it complicated the PPV even further, it was unavoidable.

Another thing to mock Nash for? Nah.. I think we can let him slide on this one. I hope he has a speedy recovery.

At 1/12/09 08:27 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: PWInsider.com is reporting that Kevin Nash did indeed suffer a recent staff infection which was why he was pulled from last night's Genesis PPV as indicated by TNA. The injury is legit, Nash was hospitalized, and although it complicated the PPV even further, it was unavoidable.

You know why the PPV was further complicated? BECAUSE KIP F'N JAMES REPLACED KEVIN NASH IN THE MAIN EVENT! Let me repeat that, Kip James (AKA Billy Gunn) was in the main event of a PPV.

And speaking of the PPV, you guys need to see Shelley vs Sabin and Jarrett vs Angle. Easily the best two matches on the show, and two early candidates for MOTY. Yes, they were that good. Also, if you hate Jarrett, you get the bonus of seeing him go for a Suicide Dive... Only for him to land face first on the outside!

At 1/12/09 08:27 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Mickey Rourke won a Golden Globe for Best Actor in a Dramatic Role for his performance in "The Wrestler" last night. Bruce Springsteen also won a Golden Globe for his original song, "The Wrestler." Rourke beat out some heavyweights including Leonardo DiCaprio, Frank Langella, Sean Penn and Brad Pitt.

Thats pretty cool right there. I want to see this movie.

That's awesome. I was reading an article yesterday, and it was heavily backing Pitt to win, Rourke was only mentioned briefly with the other candidates at the end.
I can't wait for it to come out over here.

I had a chance to watch The Wrestler (Gotta love the internet), and believe me, its worth the hype. Rourke's Golden Globe was well deserved, and here's hoping he can also net himself an Oscar for his performance.

Punk vs Regal is scheduled for tonight. If Regal gets DQ'ed, he loses the title. I believe RAW is in Chicago next week, so it wouldn't surprise me if Regal finds another way to walk away (*COUGHCOUNT-OUT-COUGH*) from the match without losing the belt, leading to yet another rematch next week.

I'm looking forward to what Regal and Punk will do with this fued. If they do extend the fued until next week it would be cool to see Punk win the IC title in his hometown.

Also we'll be seeing the return of Vince next week. Do you think he will take the show back or will he let Steph keep running it? Will this backfire on Jericho?

At 1/12/09 04:26 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Also we'll be seeing the return of Vince next week. Do you think he will take the show back or will he let Steph keep running it? Will this backfire on Jericho?

I think Vince will appoint Shane as either the new GM (Or a Co-GM), leading to a Steph-Shane feud. Probably leading to a match at WM (With Steph and Shane each choosing a wrestler), to decide which McMahon ends up as the one true GM of RAW.

Either that, or Vince will just take up 20 minutes of air time to stroke his ego, while hurting the rest of the current RAW product.

I like the twist wwe has just pulled..... just on raw stephanie mcmahon has fired Chris jericho, i don't know where they are going with this but what do you think.

Ok, that DQ finish was friggin lame and it makes Stephanie look completely stupid.

If she wanted a decisive finish in this bout, why the hell didn't she make it no DQ to begin with? Right up there with last week's "Uh, why not just restart the match dummy?"

But if the plan is to put it on Punk in Chicago and give him a real solid run with it, I'm totally down with that.

Y2J has been "fired" again. I smell a face turn in the near future.

At 1/12/09 09:48 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Ok, that DQ finish was friggin lame and it makes Stephanie look completely stupid.

If she wanted a decisive finish in this bout, why the hell didn't she make it no DQ to begin with? Right up there with last week's "Uh, why not just restart the match dummy?"

But if the plan is to put it on Punk in Chicago and give him a real solid run with it, I'm totally down with that.

Hopefully... Knowing WWE, Vince will probably step in, "rectify" Stephanie's 'leadership,' and consequently push the IC match to the Rumble. Punk and Regal would put on a crazy-good match for the PPV, methinks...

Again, hopefully.

At 1/12/09 09:57 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Y2J has been "fired" again. I smell a face turn in the near future.

if he ends up on smackdown, smackdown will have the perfect roster!
and i doubt he'll turn face anytime soon, when he delivered that whole "Y2J is dead" promo when he first turned heel, i reckon that was the wwe cementing him as a permanent heel.. or at least having him a heel for a very long time

kinda like what they did with edge

also wooo! dibiase jr.'s back!

Ok wtf. Dibiase was kicked in the head by Orton. When he returned last night with Snuka and Manu I thought "Hey this makes perfect senes. Kick his ass Ted! Kick his...huh?" This is WWE throwing away a perfectly good storyline. They way they explained it later was even worse. "I kicked you in the head to knock some sense into you." You know, even if that was his reason I still would have been pissed off at him. What a stupid waste.

Also I agree with Avie on the lameness of the IC match. Thankfully it will be no DQ next week. Maybe then we can get a match worth seeing and get a winner.

The main event was great. Cena and HBK really put a ton of effort into their match and it was worth seeing.

I'm guessing that Vince McMahon will rehire Jericho. Either that or he winds up on SD.

Cena vs HBK was great. Those two guys seem unable to have a bad match against one another. As for the rest of the show, well, it was pretty terrible.

At 1/12/09 11:18 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: if he ends up on smackdown, smackdown will have the perfect roster!
and i doubt he'll turn face anytime soon, when he delivered that whole "Y2J is dead" promo when he first turned heel, i reckon that was the wwe cementing him as a permanent heel.. or at least having him a heel for a very long time

Remember that Jericho turned face when he came back after he got fired for the first time. Plus, if you checked wrestlezone.com a few weeks ago, there was an article mentioning the potential face turn of him in the near future.
As much as I love Edge as a heel, I would not mind him seeing him as a face. Edge was an awesome face back in the early 2000's. Remember the "pictures" segment when he was feuding with Kurt Angle?

Wow, Matt Hardy dropped the ECW title in a regular show? I thought that he would keep the belt until WM at least, not sure if Swagger is ready for the title run even though the ECW title is not what it was nowdays.

At 1/13/09 09:31 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Wow, Matt Hardy dropped the ECW title in a regular show? I thought that he would keep the belt until WM at least, not sure if Swagger is ready for the title run even though the ECW title is not what it was nowdays.

I wonder why they didn't have the match at the Rumble. I think they could have held out a little longer before giving Swagger the title. Hopefully Matt can get moved during the draft, if not sooner, and start a main event run there?

So what do you guys think of the Tommy Dreamer ultimatum? Do you know if he has any actual plans to retire, or is the WWE finally ready to give him something?

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MVP finally won a match!
thanks to HHH

At 1/13/09 10:52 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: *******SMACKDOWN SPOILERS*******
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MVP finally won a match!
thanks to HHH

also Victoria retired...

At 1/13/09 10:46 PM, boloneyman wrote: I wonder why they didn't have the match at the Rumble. I think they could have held out a little longer before giving Swagger the title. Hopefully Matt can get moved during the draft, if not sooner, and start a main event run there?

The ECW title is a mid-level low pressure belt at this point, and it theoretically gets Swagger at least the opening match on PPV. I'm fine with the swap in the same way I was fine with the IC title on Kofi. Because to me they're at about the same level of importance.

So what do you guys think of the Tommy Dreamer ultimatum? Do you know if he has any actual plans to retire, or is the WWE finally ready to give him something?

I have not heard of Tommy wanting to imminently retire. He gave up a great job in Talent Relations to get back into the ring. I do know Tommy was blogging that he had pitched a similar storyline last year to management but they did not pull the trigger on it. With Swagger holding the belt at present I think it could be good learning for him to continue working a program with a vet like Dreamer who the company has no problem laying down for Swagger here. Plus I think it'll be very interesting to watch what is essentially the story of Rocky Balboa (the sixth movie, not just the character himself), the grizzled veteran trying to get one last shot at glory by taking down the cocky young champion.

At 1/13/09 10:52 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: MVP finally won a match!
thanks to HHH

Thank God, the losing streak is finally over. Start pushing him NOW!!!

At 1/14/09 01:14 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: The ECW title is a mid-level low pressure belt at this point, and it theoretically gets Swagger at least the opening match on PPV. I'm fine with the swap in the same way I was fine with the IC title on Kofi. Because to me they're at about the same level of importance.

as i recall last years royal rumble, had Chavo Guerrero in it, who i believe was ECW champ at the time
so who knows he could be in the rumble

Though I agree with what Avie said about the ECW title, I still think its too soon to give Swagger the belt. He can go in the ring, and despite his lisp, he's pretty damn good on the mic. I just think this title run is coming way too fast for him.

As for Tommy Dreamer, last night's promo was very good, and the crowd reacted positively to it. I think (And hope) that it will end in a Dreamer title run. No, he might not be the most polished wrestler in the world, but he at least deserves a title win, even if its as a thank you of sorts for his career.

Dreamer said that his contract was up in June so his quest for the title could take him all the way to One Night Stand if that PPV is still going to be used. I hope Tommy isn't going to retire yet, despite him being the resident jobber on ECW, I like the guy.

Damn, Swagger won the title. I hope Matt either reclaimes it on PPV down the road or gets moved to either Raw or SD to compete in the main event.

During the Paul Burchill/DJ Gabriel match on ECW, Matt Striker made some comments about Surrey, England (my home county as well as Burchill's) saying that Surrey tried to ban suggestive dance.

Just wanted to point out that is not true. Surrey is still sexy.

At 1/14/09 02:11 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Damn, Swagger won the title. I hope Matt either reclaimes it on PPV down the road or gets moved to either Raw or SD to compete in the main event.

There will be better things waiting for Matt. Maybe he will win the MITB ladder match and win a major title at some point this year.

source: PWInsider.com

WWE has cut two more individuals.

Sgt. Slaughter, who has been working as a producer for WWE for the past several years, has been released from the company.

Ron Simmons has also been released. He has made sporadic appearances on television for his "Damn!" gimmick and done some promotional work for the company in the last year or so. This is the second time in which Simmons has been released from WWE, the other time taking place in March 2004.

Slaughter being let go is a suprise. He's been with the company for a long long time. I wonder how this effects the morale of the rest of the staff?

I know WWE is in "Spring Cleaning" mode but the releases of these long time workers is not a good sign. Do you think they would fire Funaki? My bet is Jamie Noble will get fired this year.