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At 12/27/08 02:33 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Looking at Kizarny he kind of reminds me of Droz, he's got a very unique look and depending on what he can do in the ring, I think that they might be able to just have him drop the Carny speak and he'd be ok.

The crowds seem to be dead when the company cut his promo, man...I do not like his gimmick and I doubt that he is going anywhere with it.

At 12/27/08 04:07 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: The crowds seem to be dead when the company cut his promo, man...I do not like his gimmick and I doubt that he is going anywhere with it.

They do, I'm not saying he'll get over with the gimmick he's doing now, but I'm saying if he shows something in the ring, and they drop the incomprehensible promos he might have a chance. Right now all we've seen is their bad character idea, it can be changed. Let's also consider this guy is a close friend of the top heel on the brand (Edge) as well, that sure can't hurt him.

I at least want to see what he can do before I write him off. I'm sure there will have to be some character modifications along the way but at least WWE is trying something different here.

I got the History of the Intercontinental Championship DVD for Chritsmas. I haven't watched it yet but when I do I'll let you guys know how it was. I have a feeling that the first disk is going to be a tougher watch since I'm just not big on old-timey wrestling. But with matches between Machch man and Ricky Steamboat on there it shouldn't be too bad. A good number of matches on here I've never seen before so I'm looking forward to that too.

Well I agree with you about MVP, I said so in my original post. I'm hoping that once 09 starts, the jobbing will stop and he starts picking up important wins. Preferably starting with Khali.

Kennedy gets injured a lot, but doesn't Batista as well?

I think all Morrison needs to do is establish himself as a singles competitor, since he has never been able to do so for any extended period of time. To be honest, he may be more valuable to the WWE as a tag wrestler.

As for Shelton, I agree, I don't think he has found the right angle for himself yet.

I really wouldn't consider myself a mark for any of these guys except Morrison. I am just tired of seeing the same faces in the main event scene and I want to see some fresh blood from the younger roster.

At 12/28/08 01:36 PM, boloneyman wrote: Well I agree with you about MVP, I said so in my original post. I'm hoping that once 09 starts, the jobbing will stop and he starts picking up important wins. Preferably starting with Khali.

Yeah, if you rebuild him, and maybe tweak his character a bit in the doing of it, it could work. But yeah, he gets a few high profile wins and people will forget the punchline he's become.

Kennedy gets injured a lot, but doesn't Batista as well?

Sure, but Batista is a PROVEN draw, and it's been a couple years or so between injuries for him. Kennedy gets hurt or suspended every time they try to start pushing him. That's the difference. You can't sustain a push for him because something happens with him to screw it up.

I think all Morrison needs to do is establish himself as a singles competitor, since he has never been able to do so for any extended period of time. To be honest, he may be more valuable to the WWE as a tag wrestler.

I don't think so, I think he could be a good singles guy too, and it's really in his best interest to do so because tag teams aren't really pushed. But right now he's got a good niche with Miz, and I feel no rush to break that up.

As for Shelton, I agree, I don't think he has found the right angle for himself yet.

Nope, and they've never really shown a commitment to him for an extended period of time. Even his winning the US title seemed more about getting the belt off ECW and back on SD! then it was sustaining a push for him. The R-Truth feud was curbed quick. I'm not sure what'll happen with the thing with Helms. Hopefully Helms jobbed here to help Benjamin get focused on, but who knows?

I really wouldn't consider myself a mark for any of these guys except Morrison. I am just tired of seeing the same faces in the main event scene and I want to see some fresh blood from the younger roster.

I do too, but you can't bring guys up before they're ready to carry the ball or they just fail, potentially never get that shot again, and it just reinforces the idea to management of "oh, we gotta keep the same old guys on top". I think we're seeing more of a focus on that young talent on the undercard, and that will ultimately pay off. Look at Edge, he was a star on the undercard for most of his career, and when he got his moment, he was ready, he was hungry, and now he's one of the biggest stars in the business.

At 12/25/08 05:11 PM, JohnCena423 wrote: undertaker vs triple h casket match for wwe title

That could be a possiblitiy, but i am almost sure this will not happen as shawn michaels has already been giving vince ideas of that he sholud be the one against the undertaker.

At 12/27/08 11:45 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: They do, I'm not saying he'll get over with the gimmick he's doing now, but I'm saying if he shows something in the ring, and they drop the incomprehensible promos he might have a chance. Right now all we've seen is their bad character idea, it can be changed. Let's also consider this guy is a close friend of the top heel on the brand (Edge) as well, that sure can't hurt him.

Well, only time will tell. Is he going to be a face or heel? It is hard to tell at the moment.

At 12/28/08 09:02 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Well, only time will tell. Is he going to be a face or heel? It is hard to tell at the moment.

They should probably wait until his debut and see how the crowd reacts to him (although if they sit on their hands the options to me are make him a heel, or pull the plug).

Fatal Four Way tonight. Will HBK stay with JBL or will a title opporunity be the thing HBK needs? I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. That and it should be a pretty good match anyway despite JBL being in there.

Batista's surgery was a success and will be out for a while. Not sure just how long he will be away but I wish him a speedy recovery.

At 12/29/08 11:56 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Fatal Four Way tonight. Will HBK stay with JBL or will a title opporunity be the thing HBK needs? I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. That and it should be a pretty good match anyway despite JBL being in there.

I doubt jericho or orton will win hbk is the only babyface in the match and it favors him to win it and go against jbl and some how he will make it a triple threat of cena vs hbk vs jbl.

At 12/29/08 11:56 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Fatal Four Way tonight. Will HBK stay with JBL or will a title opporunity be the thing HBK needs? I'm looking forward to see how this plays out. That and it should be a pretty good match anyway despite JBL being in there.

I like the JBL-HBK angle, there is still a lot that can happen with this storyline. If HBK goes for the title opporunity and deserts JBL, it is going to put a damper on the storyline. IMO, HBK is going to do everything he can to help JBL winning the match. Yes, I did predict an Orton victory, but I did not know that Batista was out for WM then, so save Orton/Cena for Mania. I hope that they make Orton strong tonight by having him eliminating a few people.

I finished the first disk of the IC championship DVD today. Man, I'm so not into old time wrestling. It wasn't until Steamboat/Savage that it got good in my opinion. The second one features more of what I'm familiar with so I'm looking forward to that.

Raw was ok, the finish to the fatal four was was done well. Not happy that we have JBL/Cena again but I figured that was coming. The big tag match was fun to watch. I did enjoy Cena and Kofi doing their signature moves at the same time. The situation with team priceless is also interesting.

WTF were they doing with Kelly Kelly's storyline? Randy Orton? Come on, now...
I seriously question the creative team's IQ.
Hopefully they will drop the storyline, it is stupid and it is going nowhere.

At 12/30/08 12:46 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: WTF were they doing with Kelly Kelly's storyline? Randy Orton? Come on, now...

Agreed 100%. They took something that could have been pretty interesting and made it into a joke. You're telling me Kelly knows NOTHING about Randy Orton? That she'd sleep with this guy and expect he gave a shit about her? This is one of those "does she not watch the tv show? Does she not have friends that would give her a heads up?". Just such a dumb move here and a waste.

I seriously question the creative team's IQ.

I do too, like I say here's a good storyline idea they had, it was a great chance to take some young babyface, put him in there with the veteran monster in Kane, and they ruined it.

Hopefully they will drop the storyline, it is stupid and it is going nowhere.

It sure felt like a blow off in some ways to me, unless this is part of some weird face turn for Kane here, which I just don't find comforting. I dunno, I'm completely with you here in that I think it's an opportunity missed.

I did enjoy most of the booking for the rest of the show though, the Fatal Four Way played out how we thought it would, but it was effective. I liked the Rhodes/Punk bout, especially the finish because it protected Punk and continues to add heat to the Punk and Regal match and I'm glad they are waiting until Regal is healthy to have it. I thought Snuka vs. Super Haas was a pretty decent squash. I thought Manu/Hardy was ok. I don't think Manu is all that great, and I wonder if WWE didn't do this as either a way to get him out somewhat, or they want to try and build him as a babyface monster. Fuck that guy, I've mentioned before he whacked my buddy...yeah Samu made him apologize, but still. It shows me that Manu is a lot like Orton: The son of a mid-carder who became a promoter and thinks he's entitled to special treatment. Screw that shit, not to mention look at the size of Manu, and my friend is just a regular fucking guy, he was a damn referee, so he's built like a damn ref.

Speaking of him and all that, there's supposed to be a new promotion starting up around here he's going to get involved in. I don't know how close any of you are to the Allentown, Pennsylvania area, but they'll be doing the first show free, and shows after that would be like 5 bucks. He'll referee but ultimately he wants to turn and get into heel managing similar to Bill Alfonso. Me and our other mutual friend are already trying to put our heads together on how to help him with this without him having to get physical with us. I'll keep you guys updated if and when it happens.

Also that Goldust segment was frickin great. That's the kind of funny I can get behind.

I agree with you about Manu, I just don't find him the impressive. They should have just kept DibIase and dumped him. Snuje has talent, but I feel that he hasn't been developed too much. Cody has gotten better, I just wish he had a better finisher.

As for Kane, I'm guessing he is going to be Legacy's first feud. The idea is stupid, but I supposed it would be a good way to make the stable more legit, because so far it hasn't wowed me.

I loved when Santino was doing commentery while Beth and Melina were fighting. "Not the face!" I think the obsessed fan bit is pretty funny, hopefully it won't be a clone of the Mickie and Trish storyline.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?a rticleid=232598577
Jason Powell of Prowrestling.net is reporting that Christian is very close to signing a deal with WWE and that plans are already underway to bring him into the company to work a possible program with Jeff Hardy. The seed has been planted with Hardy being attacked prior to the Survivor Series PPV in November, and it is expected that Christian will be revealed as the culprit. It should also be noted that TNA seems to be under the impression that Christian is indeed headed back to WWE.

Christian vs Jeff Hardy? Now there is a fued I could get behind!

At 12/30/08 04:11 AM, boloneyman wrote: I loved when Santino was doing commentery while Beth and Melina were fighting. "Not the face!" I think the obsessed fan bit is pretty funny, hopefully it won't be a clone of the Mickie and Trish storyline.

Knowing the creative team, I will be shocked if it does not turn to a clone of the Mickie vs Trish storyline.

At 12/30/08 12:27 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Raw was ok, the finish to the fatal four was was done well. Not happy that we have JBL/Cena again but I figured that was coming.

Well i think jbl is using shawn michaels so he can win matches but at the royal rumble i think that HBK will screw JBL and then i will be happy

At 12/30/08 08:08 PM, JohnCena423 wrote:

At 12/30/08 12:27 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Raw was ok, the finish to the fatal four was was done well. Not happy that we have JBL/Cena again but I figured that was coming.

Well i think jbl is using shawn michaels so he can win matches but at the royal rumble i think that HBK will screw JBL and then i will be happy

As much as I hate Captain Invincible, I want him to retain at the RR so that we can have Orton/Cena at WM.
P.S: I have a feeling that Orton is going to win the 30-men RR.

I will join, I always liked the WWE. I liked the WWF too.

did you see that on monday where they had the diva battle royale and Melina won. after she won
Beth Phoenix beat the crap out of her but Melina got the upper hand and then Beth Phoenix's #1 fan Rosa tackled Melina. It was funny

I also liked that Goldust segment where he made fun of all the wrestlers about christmas. that was funny.

At 12/30/08 11:34 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: As much as I hate Captain Invincible, I want him to retain at the RR so that we can have Orton/Cena at WM.

I honestly think this is a situation where they're thinking they have the Rumble match, they have a WWE champion people will pay to see as well, and they can give him Edge, or H, or any one else out of that hot mix on SD! and that can draw. So basically their putting out a throwaway World Title match that will serve to continue putting heat on the Michaels/JBL situation.

P.S: I have a feeling that Orton is going to win the 30-men RR.

I could see it. In part because I'm really not sure who else you'd have win the bout this year.

Do you guys think Swagger has a chance of winning the ECW title from Matt Hardy? They seem to be slowly building this fued which is good. I'm not sure Swagger is ready to be a champion though.

I didn't miss the Boogey Man much, but the crowd seems to like him.

At 12/31/08 12:49 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

P.S: I have a feeling that Orton is going to win the 30-men RR.

I could see it. In part because I'm really not sure who else you'd have win the bout this year.

Unless Stephen sucks H's cock again along with her father in a threesome... :/

At 12/31/08 12:08 AM, wildface098 wrote: Beth Phoenix's #1 fan Rosa tackled Melina. It was funny

Think that was a leit event? I'm not sure; I thought it was just a random fan, seemed a little set up.

The whole "HBK sacrificing himself to JBL" was pretty lame IMO. It's not like a war or video game or something - he could have just as easily let 'em pin him or walked out or something. Would have had the same effect, I think.

Also, from what I read apparently Kizarny didn't go over too well on SD! Didn't see that coming. *cough

At 12/31/08 08:52 PM, l0vemetal wrote: Also, from what I read apparently Kizarny didn't go over too well on SD! Didn't see that coming. *cough

Pfft, the crowd was dead in his promo last Friday, I do not think that he can even survive a year in the WWE.

Can i join? I Really love the WWE.

At 1/1/09 02:11 AM, brassmonker1234 wrote: Can i join? I Really love the WWE.

Sure thing! Who is your favorite wrestler?

I'm almost finished with the IC title DVD and I've got to say it's been an awesome watch. There were a lot of matches I had never seen and some I had forgotten about. It's tough to pick favorites just yet so I'll get back to you on that.

What irrated me the most was that Kizarny who had been doubted already after one match went over MVP in a squash match. When will the company finally start pushing MVP again? I am tired of such a reat talent getting wasted.