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At 6/27/07 01:02 AM, boloneyman wrote: The tragedy that Benoit is being wrased is almost as great as his death. There will hardly be a legacy to leave.

That's very true, it's like OJ. I mean, you can TRY and let his work speak for itself, but can anyone watch a football game where OJ set a record, or watch the naked gun movies and laugh the same way? No, because the accusation of what he did taints everything he did. I mean, the cops have no doubt Benoit did this, and it's a horrible, disgusting act. I don't think we'll ever know what drove him to it, but it just seems very clear this was something he planned, and that there was a lot going wrong for a long time.

I don't blame WWE for distancing themselves from him right now, and as it would appear from what Vince said on ECW, they will distance themselves from him forever, and again, I can't blame them. He committed a disgusting and heinous crime and WWE is a publicly traded company that dosen't deserve to catch shit, or be brought low by his actions. From what I heard Vince acted in the classiest of fashions throughout this whole ordeal, even telling guys at RAW they didn't have to stay if they didn't want to. WWE has done the best they can in this horrible horrible week. It just keeps getting more and more surreal, and as pep said, maybe it's time to try and go back to talking about wrestling, and try to take Vince's words about the healing beginning to heart. Don't let this incident ruin your love of the business, don't let it ruin your respect for the guys who bust their asses and do what they love to do for us, the fans. Let's all just try to heal and get through this.

At 6/26/07 02:53 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I just read the report.. And it breaks my heart.

I'll always remember Chris for what he did for wrestling and what he accomplished.

I also saw a report on the homepage of sports. yahoo sayng that Benoit strangled his wife and suffocated his son to death before committing suicide. The report also says that it is the outcome of "steroid rage". Considering that Eddie's death is also drug related. Here is the bottom line --- DO NOT DO DRUGS, people!

At 6/27/07 05:52 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote:



I also saw a report on the homepage of sports. yahoo sayng that Benoit strangled his wife and suffocated his son to death before committing suicide. The report also says that it is the outcome of "steroid rage". Considering that Eddie's death is also drug related. Here is the bottom line --- DO NOT DO DRUGS, people!

well true

At 6/27/07 05:52 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote:

At 6/26/07 02:53 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I just read the report.. And it breaks my heart.

I'll always remember Chris for what he did for wrestling and what he accomplished.

I also saw a report on the homepage of sports. yahoo sayng that Benoit strangled his wife and suffocated his son to death before committing suicide. The report also says that it is the outcome of "steroid rage". Considering that Eddie's death is also drug related. Here is the bottom line --- DO NOT DO DRUGS, people!

WWE stated that it wasn't "roid rage" as there were bibles next to the bodies and elapsed time between the killings. Benoit also tested negative at his last drug screening on April 10th. Still, telling people not to do drugs is good advice.

But really... Did anyone catch ECW last night? Why can WWE do this more often? Let's make a wrestling show revolved around wrestling.

Sure, it was weird seeing Cena there until you realized... That his match against Nitro was a damn good one. And we got a 2 ou tof 3 falls match on free tv, something we don't get all that often. I'm hoping this isn't a one week deal, and reading the spoilers SD will be the same, just a lot of wrestling.

As for the ladder match DVD, I've yet to pick it up but I've been hearing its the best DVD WWE has released, so I'll probably buy it one of these days.

Yeah but I like the storylines and the only reason they aren't having any is because Benoit's killing spree ruined all of the storylines.

Looking at all the WWE shows right now the only possible storyline is the Nitro-Punk one. Maybe this can be a new begining for the WWE like a pheonix rising from the ashes... nah!

At 6/27/07 02:14 PM, Reaperyami wrote: Looking at all the WWE shows right now the only possible storyline is the Nitro-Punk one. Maybe this can be a new begining for the WWE like a pheonix rising from the ashes... nah!

Yea, but the only thing wrong with that is the fact that the story was supposed to be Benoit-Punk. At Vengence the outcome was always supposed to be Punk losing. Benoit is the real ECW Champion forever end of story. Coments about Benoit will be no more so stop them now.
By the way I want in the crew.

Well there are still going to be comments about Benoit. The authorities are still not one hundred percent on everything.

As for the Ladder Match DVD, I'm thinking I will get it for my birthday, a few of my friends doubt the greatness of the Hardys. Are there any special features?

At 6/27/07 05:44 PM, boloneyman wrote: Well there are still going to be comments about Benoit. The authorities are still not one hundred percent on everything.

As for the Ladder Match DVD, I'm thinking I will get it for my birthday, a few of my friends doubt the greatness of the Hardys. Are there any special features?

Your friends doubt the Hardy Boyz in a ladder?! Ha they must fuckin retarted Matt and Jeff are the best ever.

At 6/27/07 11:52 PM, Psiko-Munky wrote:
Your friends doubt the Hardy Boyz in a ladder?! Ha they must fuckin retarted Matt and Jeff are the best ever.

Hardyz kick teh ass in ladder matches.

If there are any pro wrestlers by some chance reading this, let this be a lesson to you: Steroids are like any other illegal drug - they can turn good people bad in a matter of minutes. IT'S NOT FUCKING WORTH IT.

I can DEFINITELY blame steroids; they were found in his house, and he could've easily snapped being on them. From what I've heard, it does the basic same things that crack did to my dad - paranoia, depression & 'roid rage' (or in my dad's case, 'crack rage') - and, in that case, it's easily possible. Now it all comes down to what the tests say......unless they were already done & I don't know about it yet.

Man, this sucks.

I already explained how it is highly unlikely that he was on steroids especially since the steroids that they found were prescription.

At 6/28/07 12:39 AM, Clownshock wrote: I already explained how it is highly unlikely that he was on steroids especially since the steroids that they found were prescription.

Ummm...

He had steroids in his house. Prescription or not he could have taken them. Anna Nicole Smith, the idot she was, had tons of prescription drugs in her body that she should not have been on because she had a pharmasist friend that prescribed them to her. Benoit could have easily had the same deal going for him.

Just because it's prescription doesn't mean it's ok.

I bet you that when the tests come back they find steroids in his system among many other things to deal with the constant pain of putting his body on the line for a living.

At 6/28/07 12:53 AM, RSQViper wrote:

At 6/28/07 12:39 AM, Clownshock wrote: I already explained how it is highly unlikely that he was on steroids especially since the steroids that they found were prescription.

Ummm...

He had steroids in his house. Prescription or not he could have taken them.

Just because it's prescription doesn't mean it's ok.

I bet you that when the tests come back they find steroids in his system among many other things to deal with the constant pain of putting his body on the line for a living.

Yeah but at the last screening on April 10 of this year he tested negative. If he wasn't taking them then what makes you think he is taking them now?

At 6/28/07 01:00 AM, Clownshock wrote:

I bet you that when the tests come back they find steroids in his system among many other things to deal with the constant pain of putting his body on the line for a living.

Yeah but at the last screening on April 10 of this year he tested negative. If he wasn't taking them then what makes you think he is taking them now?

Dude, how strict do you really think the WWE is about this stuff? They probably tell them to fill a cup in the bathroom and they use someone else's piss to pass as this goes on with MANY jobs. Hell, I wouldn't even doubt if they used a mail-in service to do it and they did it at their own leisure.

Somehow I doubt that the WWE actually watches them piss. The business has the policy in place to make people happy, but when it comes down to the tests I'm sure it's more of a turn your head the other way type of thing.

If you think everyone in the WWE uses their own urine and could pass a steroid test right now, you're crazy.

WWE is a professional worldwide professional sports business and in the past, some wrestlers got in trouble for testing positive with steroids. They are lucky that they were prescription otherwise they could have gotten in a lot or trouble. Trust me, WWE is strict with this stuff because if they aren't, then they are just screwing themselves.

At 6/28/07 01:14 AM, Clownshock wrote: WWE is a professional worldwide professional sports business and in the past, some wrestlers got in trouble for testing positive with steroids. They are lucky that they were prescription otherwise they could have gotten in a lot or trouble. Trust me, WWE is strict with this stuff because if they aren't, then they are just screwing themselves.

Yes, they have released people over steroids, but looking upon those people, they are people that weren't living up to their bill so I have a strong feeling they use the steroid claus a means to an end with no need to pay out a contract or because they cause some other type of trouble.

There wouldn't be a WWE without steroids, it's just a way of live. Eddie was on them for quite some time and you can spot it. So was HHH if he isn't still.

When grown men have clear skin normally, then they suddenly bulk up and their back starts to break out it's just about a sure bet they're on roids. Of course, not all people have that happen to them on roids, but it's a good way to tell who's doing them.

Man, I don't know what the fuck to think anymore - now the authorities are saying something different (I got the jist of it, but my comp was not taking the loading of the webpage well), and the way it happened, there's also the possibility that he was framed, if they find any other DNA evidence, so I'm just......something.......right now. I had just now read the article, and everything seems up in the air, and no one can currently seem to make up their mind. However, Vince shouldn't be disregarding him ENTIRELY now, just because of the circumstances; he should have everyone remember him for who he was. I know it's a little tricky, but no one's entirely sure yet. I dunno'; my head's all fuzzy from all this crap.

At 6/27/07 12:43 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Sure, it was weird seeing Cena there until you realized... That his match against Nitro was a damn good one. And we got a 2 ou tof 3 falls match on free tv, something we don't get all that often. I'm hoping this isn't a one week deal, and reading the spoilers SD will be the same, just a lot of wrestling.

I have to agree that WWE should really learn from what happened this week and realize that if they just had more solid wrestling blended in with the over the top story stuff they like, they'd have the best of both worlds, and they could maybe gain back some of that ground legit sports takes from them. But I figure after this week, it'll be on to the next big overarching angle, and it'll be business as usual in Stamford again.

It seems that Daniel had Fragile X Syndrome. I thought the members of the club would be interested in further developments

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitpressure s

Outlaw, I totally agree about the tag division. I'm hoping London and Kendrick can find a team to rival with, and bring the tag division into an new golden era.

I wonder what the new storyline will be, assuming it starts next Monday (since Smackdown didn't really deal as much with the whole McMahon-death thing). I can't recall a time in recent memory where such a major storyline was scrapped entirely, although I'm sure it's happened before.

Well, at least it can't get any worse.

Of course, that's what I thought after the whole Katie Vick thing.

At 6/27/07 12:13 PM, Clownshock wrote: WWE stated that it wasn't "roid rage" as there were bibles next to the bodies and elapsed time between the killings. Benoit also tested negative at his last drug screening on April 10th. Still, telling people not to do drugs is good advice.

But what was Chris Benoit's motivation of murdering his wife and son? I did not see any report saying that Benoit had family issues with his wife. What is his motivation?

At 6/28/07 05:27 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote:

At 6/27/07 12:13 PM, Clownshock wrote: WWE stated that it wasn't "roid rage" as there were bibles next to the bodies and elapsed time between the killings. Benoit also tested negative at his last drug screening on April 10th. Still, telling people not to do drugs is good advice.

But what was Chris Benoit's motivation of murdering his wife and son? I did not see any report saying that Benoit had family issues with his wife. What is his motivation?

there son was retarded, or similar, and they were struggling with raising him and stuff like that..
they had issues.

Nitro should not have lost to Cena, FACT!

I know Cena is the face of the WWE, but people have been shitting on Nitro ever since it was announced he would face Punk, and it only got worse when he won the ECW title. So instead of letting Nitro get a victory in his first match as champ, he jobs to Cena (for 146th time). A non-title loss would not hurt John Cena at all, it would have helped restore some credibility to the ECW title.

But no, we couldn't have that, WWE had to show once again that RAW>>>>>>>>ECW. I know it was a competitive match, but I still think Nitro should have won the match.

And as a side note, BIG-UPS to Avie for his post in a certain thread in the General forum which shall remain nameless.

They should make Nitro drop the whole "I'm a Rockstar" thing and give him some ECW calibur(sp?) matches like Tables, ladders, and chairs to show off his inner power which we know he has. He'd be really good with those matches and if he lost the Title and worked his way back up to it, that could rebuild the legacy of the ECW Title.

At 6/28/07 05:27 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote:

Of course, that's what I thought after the whole Katie Vick thing.

Wasn't the Katie Vick storyline scrapped? I remember hearing Triple H talking to Kane about it on Raw one week and the next week it was no more.

At 6/28/07 12:11 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I know Cena is the face of the WWE, but people have been shitting on Nitro ever since it was announced he would face Punk, and it only got worse when he won the ECW title. So instead of letting Nitro get a victory in his first match as champ, he jobs to Cena (for 146th time). A non-title loss would not hurt John Cena at all, it would have helped restore some credibility to the ECW title.

Have to agree, Nitro is the RAW job guy who's now a champion, if he had beaten Cena, it would have showed Nitro was a legit guy to the fans, and maybe they'd start taking him seriously. Yes he's a heel, but heels still need credible wins or else they have nothing. Nitro is a great worker thrust into the main event because of politics, do I believe he can carry the ball though? Absolutely, but you have to give him the chance to do it.