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At 1/20/07 07:38 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 1/20/07 07:31 PM, ShotaTiger wrote: NEWSFLASH
Nobody wins, you still eat cawks.

How do I not win?

You treat this thread as some sort of competition, some little game that you play out in your head. No one else cares, but youll disregard that fact and keep going on and on about somthing you admit you cant prove or disprove, but find perfectly ok to blabber on about it none the less

Youre the epitome of intellectual retardation and blatant redundancy, who should never be taken seriously nor given the chance to speak publicly.

You lose at a game that has no winners or losers.

So-Smart-s0-Dumb, what exactly do you have against christians? You're acting as if they are immoral and trying to make the world a worse place to live.
Sure, I'm the first to admit there are a good amount of crazy zealous christian nuts around who are just plain frustrating, but the majority are loving moral people who follow the bible without trying to push it on everyone else.
I do believe in god and what the bible says, and I know that he may well not be real, but so what?
Being a christian, I feel I am a better person than had I not been a christian, so isn't that what really matters?
You're acting as if the vocal zealous minority of Christians are having a massive negative impact on your life. Most aren't, and are actually making the world a better place to live, so what does it matter what they believe.

At 1/20/07 03:00 PM, Rush-V wrote:

At 1/20/07 02:18 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: Serve me some copypasta of all the information you think is bullshit or are doubtful about, i'd be more then happy to link you. See, unlike Christians or other believers... when atheists or scientists get questioned about their facts they are more then happy to accept the true facts and move on or prove to the person-in-doubt that their facts are correct.

You just don't give up, do you? Did religion somehow adversely affect you in your troubled past, and now you're taking it upon yourself to launch a personal crusade against it?

I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in religion. But it makes me upset to see someone so arrogant that they can't just let other people live their own lives, especially on something like a FORUM, without having to force their 2-cents on them. Or, in your case, $9.48.

Giving up isn't a good thing. Nope, it hasn't affected me in my past - but it's currently affecting me and my country in modern-day by voting for a President who, on his first veto, outlaws federal funding for Stem Cell Research - The biggest medical advancement of our mankind just because he believes 150 cells in a patrie dish has a "soul", according to his religious beliefs which are fundamentally based on this distorted indoctrination of the view that faith should be viewed as a virtue, or a positive character trait. This is absurd, and it's because of religion (Mainly Christianity because that's the one affeting where I live) that atheists are the least trusted minority in this country. People are so reluctant to give up on Christianity because then they become agnostics or atheists, ie a less trusted minority then homosexuals if they publicy state their belief. This superstition of the masses is bewildering and embarrasing, it's what's keeping us stuck in the sociological mentality of 2,000 years ago without much of any progress relative to our economic and technological progression over the 2 millenniums.

At 1/20/07 07:46 PM, ShotaTiger wrote:

At 1/20/07 07:38 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 1/20/07 07:31 PM, ShotaTiger wrote: NEWSFLASH
Nobody wins, you still eat cawks.

How do I not win?

You treat this thread as some sort of competition, some little game that you play out in your head. No one else cares, but youll disregard that fact and keep going on and on about somthing you admit you cant prove or disprove, but find perfectly ok to blabber on about it none the less

Youre the epitome of intellectual retardation and blatant redundancy, who should never be taken seriously nor given the chance to speak publicly.

You lose at a game that has no winners or losers.

I can't disprove it, but I can make it very unlikely to believe... look at what your saying, and merely by how I type you should realize that i'm a mentally capable person. You assume that i'm just ranting about it for no good reason, when in fact I can make people stop believing in Christianity because I was also a Christian and it was only after reading some things on the internet that I started to gradually become atheist. This whole thread and it's purpose isn't in any way redundant, it's in fact, the most helpful and needed one because it's trying to disintegrate the pious belief some have in their book from some fictional omniscient deity.

At 1/20/07 08:07 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: So-Smart-s0-Dumb, what exactly do you have against christians? You're acting as if they are immoral and trying to make the world a worse place to live.
Sure, I'm the first to admit there are a good amount of crazy zealous christian nuts around who are just plain frustrating, but the majority are loving moral people who follow the bible without trying to push it on everyone else.
I do believe in god and what the bible says, and I know that he may well not be real, but so what?
Being a christian, I feel I am a better person than had I not been a christian, so isn't that what really matters?
You're acting as if the vocal zealous minority of Christians are having a massive negative impact on your life. Most aren't, and are actually making the world a better place to live, so what does it matter what they believe.

You're making out Christianity to be a harmless belief, it's not. Also, you are reducing yourself to a mentality of 2,000 years ago - we can't have humanity believing in a superstitionary belief just "because it feels good", you're a big boy now and you have to face the real world. There is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, or God. Honestly, the "real world" isn't half as bad or alone as some people make it out to be, those are just immature atheists trying to look tough for their own selfish desires instead of stating the truth putting that behind them. Yes, it does take some resolve to come to terms with the fact that you won't live after you die, but in the general sense it's the best thing humanity could do.... that is, come to terms with the facts. BTW, Christianity (and everything that comes associated with a belief in it) is having a negative impact on my life, my state, and my country. Which is why i'm so fierce in my campaign against it. I could go on... but I think this much is necessary - if you want more then just say so but be prepared.

Wow So-Smart-s0-Dumb resurected this topic from yesterday. Suprise?

lolno.

At 1/21/07 05:00 PM, brainface wrote: Wow So-Smart-s0-Dumb resurected this topic from yesterday. Suprise?

lolno.

I had 3 posts pending reply, I was too occupied and I procrastinated answering it yesterday.

Hey there Newgrounds, just thought I would drop by the BBS and see how everything was going.

At 12/28/06 10:16 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 12/28/06 10:13 AM, Champigne wrote: You are obviously very tolerant of others beliefs.

Making fun of people does make you feel better, but it's a pathetic and immature way of doing so

FIANLLY!!!
Someone who agrees with me =D

And boy, dont mind my saying, but my hopes are pretty darn high.

At 1/21/07 05:04 PM, Dazmi wrote:

At 12/28/06 10:16 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 12/28/06 10:13 AM, Champigne wrote: You are obviously very tolerant of others beliefs.

Making fun of people does make you feel better, but it's a pathetic and immature way of doing so

FIANLLY!!!
Someone who agrees with me =D

Everyone feels that same way it's just how they express that feeling or if they are going to deny it since it's kind of a bad thing to say.

Oh wait, never mind.
Just this shit again.

This thread must be very easy to maintain.

At 1/21/07 05:08 PM, Peter-II wrote: This thread must be very easy to maintain.

I'm guessing sarcasm, so if you were being sarcastic....
How is it not easy to maintain?

Maybe, if I turn my monitor upside down and stare at it for a while, it will go away.

Not all Christians believe in the same things. You've got this warped notion that all Christians share all the same beliefs. Plus you don't even know (or care to know) what other religions practice.

I think stem cell research is promising for helping treat diseases we humans have caused within ourselves. I think cloning people is wrong, though.

I was raised Fundamentalist Christian. When realised I was gay, my faith was really put to task. After turning my back on God for a number of years, I started to research religions to understand why my parents could believe the things they do. Over time, I came back to Christianity, but not with the same wacky Fundie views. If I had to classify myself, I'd say Gnostic Christian is closest to what I believe. Do I spend my time trying to convince people that they shouldn't be atheists or agnostics or whatever it is they believe? Do I try to convince people that my way is the right way?

No, I don't. Because I don't like it when people shove their beliefs down my throat. I try to have the same respect for other people. Like it or not, that's something I learned from the teachings of Jesus. The Good Samaritan, the story is called. You may have read it.

Minion, the robot was funny as hell. This...not so much. kthx.

I sometimes wonder about that. I still beileve in God, but I'm always questioning my own faith.

At 1/21/07 05:10 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 1/21/07 05:08 PM, Peter-II wrote: This thread must be very easy to maintain.

I'm guessing sarcasm, so if you were being sarcastic....
How is it not easy to maintain?

Because it's so easy to argue against your average Christian about their religion.

I dont personally care if god exists or not, all I know is that ordinary people can do such great and kind things in the name of faith, but they can also do some most abhorrent things as well. So I put it to you that religion gives man cause for both his greatest achievements and worst atrocities

There are things on this earth that are still unexplainable by scientist and and cant be proven. God doesnt need to prove himself. Thats the whole point in religion. You have to believe. Science does not prove everything. One of the main things science cannot prove up to this day is evolution. So therefore this theory is based on opinions and not facts.

I dunno if you knew that but Evoulution is still just a theory...... and thats one of the biggest scientific theory around.

Everything is explained in different ways. Science can explain how something happens that true. But thing about love. A scientist could explain love in the way your bodt and brain react to the one your in love with. Yea they explain how your body reacts when you feel this way. But what is love....why do we even have to feel this. What is love? Same with hot and cold. Scientist may be able to explain how are bodies react to it but really what is hot and cold. How do you explain what cold is? Cold is cold a scientist may say. A decrease in temperature. BUT WHAT IS COLD?

Scientist dont explain everything so you need to read up on scientist more.

Their based on opinions and theorys.

Also if science cant prove god, they also cant disprove god. They have never said theres absoutely no god. Maybe an individual but not all of em.

In fact more scientist believe in god and have coverted to a religion now in this age then ever before. Meaning this science thats rumored to have not believed are in fact all believing. Most scientist believe in god.

At 1/21/07 04:56 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: BTW, Christianity (and everything that comes associated with a belief in it) is having a negative impact on my life, my state, and my country. Which is why i'm so fierce in my campaign against it.

I seriously doubt it.

GOD IS NOT REAL.............. END

At 1/21/07 05:12 PM, Minion777 wrote: Maybe, if I turn my monitor upside down and stare at it for a while, it will go away.

Not until he comes up with a worthy argument to me calling him out. COME ON GUY!

At 1/21/07 05:16 PM, Maus wrote: Not all Christians believe in the same things. You've got this warped notion that all Christians share all the same beliefs. Plus you don't even know (or care to know) what other religions practice.

All Denominations of Christianity, or the relevant majority of them believe in the same general facts, if this wasn't so - then I wouldn't have to campaign for the abolishment of Christianity and all religion because it would be a waste of time to do so since it would be a harmless belief, unfortunately - it's not. Especially when people believe in an afterlife, the world being 6,000 years old, an omnipotent deity watching over them, etc etc..

I don't bother to inform myself of unnecessary things like other religions because, like i've said quite a few times before, Christianity is the one most affecting the country I live in, with nearly half of it's population identifying themselves as Christian, and 1/3 of the planet identifying themselves as Christian, it's the biggest sole religion.

I think stem cell research is promising for helping treat diseases we humans have caused within ourselves. I think cloning people is wrong, though.

That's another discussion entirely. Please, I know you didn't do this on purpose but make sure before you hit that post it button that you don't jump ahead in the discussion, once your an atheist, then we can debate the legitimacy of cloning people since I have something to say on that matter.

I was raised Fundamentalist Christian. When realized I was gay, my faith was really put to task. After turning my back on God for a number of years, I started to research religions to understand why my parents could believe the things they do. Over time, I came back to Christianity, but not with the same wacky Fundie views. If I had to classify myself, I'd say Gnostic Christian is closest to what I believe. Do I spend my time trying to convince people that they shouldn't be atheists or agnostics or whatever it is they believe? Do I try to convince people that my way is the right way?

You're female (at least that's what everyone else seems to think), lesbian or at least homosexual would be more appropriate then identifying yourself as "gay". Homosexuality is actually genetic ie hereditary and in a couple years all mothers-to-be'll have to do is wear a patch somewhere around or during labor, the specifics aren't something I keep myself informed of since I have no possibility of being a mother since I'm male. Again, please let's keep this from getting personal, I do realize the fact that you are not doing this on purpose, but please do not troll. You are a mod, what you posts greatly affects other posts so take your responsibility with some maturity.

You don't spend your time trying to get people out of Christianity because 1) I'd suppose that you are Christian yourself, as you have identified yourself as. 2) You aren't aware of the detrimental effect it's having and of the fact that it has no real significant effect on the general populations morality so keeping up the belief in it is rather pointless.

No, I don't. Because I don't like it when people shove their beliefs down my throat. I try to have the same respect for other people. Like it or not, that's something I learned from the teachings of Jesus. The Good Samaritan, the story is called. You may have read it.

You can respect someone, but not respect their beliefs or actions. All because you do something idiotic doesn't make you an idiot, it could've been a mistake as it most of the times is. Not an action or belief that you would repeat endlessly unaware of it's stupidity. Same thing with the belief in Christianity or any other religion for that matter, it's been sheltered from criticism which allows what only true idiots could believe to be believed by smart people everywhere by sheltering it from any kind of criticisms. Believing in something without proof is a bullshit virtue that's been coined as "faith", Christians just need to sit down and think about it and browse the internet and try to enlighten themselves like I and most other atheist have.

At 1/21/07 05:26 PM, Madman08 wrote: I sometimes wonder about that. I still beileve in God, but I'm always questioning my own faith.

Wonder about what, what Maus said? Elaborate on this statement and your thoughts in your next installment in this thread.

At 1/21/07 05:58 PM, Lord-Kensington wrote: I dont personally care if god exists or not, all I know is that ordinary people can do such great and kind things in the name of faith, but they can also do some most abhorrent things as well. So I put it to you that religion gives man cause for both his greatest achievements and worst atrocities

Mans greatest achievements aren't from religion, but from science, or the methodology thereof. Ordinary people can do great things and kind things not just because somebody else told them to and they get repercussions if they don't but because they genuinely want to help that person because of sympathy or empathy.

At 1/21/07 06:07 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: There are things on this earth that are still unexplainable by scientist and and cant be proven. God doesnt need to prove himself. Thats the whole point in religion. You have to believe. Science does not prove everything. One of the main things science cannot prove up to this day is evolution. So therefore this theory is based on opinions and not facts.

I dunno if you knew that but Evoulution is still just a theory...... and thats one of the biggest scientific theory around.

Theory in the general sense of the word isn't the same as a theory in Science. Theories in science are well-supported by evidence from the real world and some reasoning to go along with it. All because some things are still unexplainable by science doesn't mean you should still hold to the your belief in religion because science in a gradual thing that accumlates knowledge through the centuries instead of sticking yourself back in the 2,000 year ago mentality of life and the universe.

The difference between Science and religion is the methodology in it's information. Religion flat-out guesses on how the universe was made and stuff like that while Science uses a much more logical and reasonable methodology of finding out things and allows itself to be corrected where religion doesn't. All religion has is a good set of morals, that's it. Morals that you could derive from yourself if you just thought about it and possibly communicate with other people to deduce some basic ideal principles to live by.

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Everything is explained in different ways. Science can explain how something happens that true. But thing about love. A scientist could explain love in the way your body and brain react to the one your in love with. Yea they explain how your body reacts when you feel this way. But what is love....why do we even have to feel this. What is love? Same with hot and cold. Scientist may be able to explain how are bodies react to it but really what is hot and cold. How do you explain what cold is? Cold is cold a scientist may say. A decrease in temperature. BUT WHAT IS COLD?

Scientist dont explain everything so you need to read up on scientist more.

Their based on opinions and theorys.

Opinions based on facts and reasoning, not guessing, unlike religion. It's truly ignorant of you to place science and religion on the same level of credibility when science is obviously a much more reliable source of information for everything because of it's methodology of obtaining information and it's allowance of new ideas.

Ironic, that love thing is the same question my brother (who is 10 years my senior) asked me when I told him I was an atheist and we started to talk about it. This must be something that most religious people hold dear to them as something that's truly"spiritual". Love is a mental feeling of compassion and care for someone you have spent time with and have developed a relationship with, you have good memories with this person and they are more-then-likely sexually attractive in some way.

LOL! Ok, I have to check your age if the mysteriousness of hot and cold are your main reasons for sticking to your religious belief for all the answers.18-20 years old I see, this is at best - something a pre-teen would ponder about. I hate to be condescending but god-damn there's a limit to how much ignorance I can take before becoming bewildered. Now, to answer your question, there's really no such thing as cold - just a lack of heat. Heat is the movement of particles, instead of feeling heat as a bunch of little particles hitting us these particles are way too fast and too small to be picked up as individual particles hitting us so we just feel it as pain, rather stinging pain. Cold is when the particles that make up our body are moving so fast and the ones that are next to it are moving so slow (which is usually air, but can be anything like a cold solid or liquid) that it almost feels ... well, you've felt cold before, I can't really explain it in laymens terms though but everyone has felt cold so there's no need to give it a word to describe. I'm just explaining what it is. Please don't view this as some sort of secession on my part, all because i'm (science) not able to explain everything doesn't make you right (religion). Science is on it's way to knowing more, but in the meantime don't settle for something else that seems to know everything but your guess is as good as theirs.

At 1/21/07 06:13 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: Also if science cant prove god, they also cant disprove god. They have never said theres absoutely no god. Maybe an individual but not all of em.

In fact more scientist believe in god and have coverted to a religion now in this age then ever before. Meaning this science thats rumored to have not believed are in fact all believing. Most scientist believe in god.

True, science cannot disprove god.... but what you gotta understand how little that argument does for you when you take into account that science can't disprove Zeus from Greek Mythology. All because you can't disprove something doesn't make it true. Science can just show how unlikely his existence is and history can only show you how other religions were made and why they were made, you have to take the facts and look at them from an open-minded perspective and only then will you become an enlightened being free from the myths and superstitions of 2,000 years ago.

At 1/21/07 06:14 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 1/21/07 04:56 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: BTW, Christianity (and everything that comes associated with a belief in it) is having a negative impact on my life, my state, and my country. Which is why i'm so fierce in my campaign against it.

I seriously doubt it.

Stem Cell Research (Healing). Waste of real estate (Churches). Waste of productivity (Sundays). It's a very common misconception that Christianity gives people morals, it doesn't and it's that same false belief that I was also subject to until recently. Then Sam Harris came along an changed my view on things by informing me of the fact that most of the countries in the Top20 Human Development Index were highly secular nations. If atheism removed peoples morals, then not only would I be morally deficient but so would these countries. It's in fact the other way around, especially with religious radicals.

At 1/21/07 07:04 PM, Kazzar wrote:

At 1/21/07 05:12 PM, Minion777 wrote: Maybe, if I turn my monitor upside down and stare at it for a while, it will go away.

Not until he comes up with a worthy argument to me calling him out. COME ON GUY!

It was a dodge, but a necessary one.... I don't get how I need to argue with you over something simple like that, i'm not going to be stubborn about it or anything - that's immature. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, that's a waste of time which could be spent doing more constructive things.

At 1/21/07 07:13 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: All Denominations of Christianity, or the relevant majority of them believe in the same general facts

No. They don't. The reason there are so many sects of Christianity is because they can't agree on how to interpret the Bible.

I don't bother to inform myself of unnecessary things like other religions because, like i've said quite a few times before, Christianity is the one most affecting the country I live in, with nearly half of it's population identifying themselves as Christian, and 1/3 of the planet identifying themselves as Christian, it's the biggest sole religion.

Well then, you can't possibly hope to understand how all those religions had an impact on Christianity.

"Those that cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." -George Santayana
"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." -Unknown (mistakenly attributed to Twain)

I think stem cell research is promising for helping treat diseases we humans have caused within ourselves. I think cloning people is wrong, though.

That's another discussion entirely. Please, I know you didn't do this on purpose but make sure before you hit that post it button that you don't jump ahead in the discussion, once your an atheist, then we can debate the legitimacy of cloning people since I have something to say on that matter.

I was just demonstrating how not all Christians believe the same thing. No jumping.

You're female...[*snip*]...maturity.

That has nothing to do with what i posted. i was just showing you how people get to different places entirely due to life experience.

You don't spend your time trying to get people out of Christianity because 1) I'd suppose that you are Christian yourself, as you have identified yourself as. 2) You aren't aware of the detrimental effect it's having and of the fact that it has no real significant effect on the general populations morality so keeping up the belief in it is rather pointless.

None of that paragraph makes sense as a response to what I posted. All i said was I don't think it's my place to change someones mind about what they believe.

You can respect someone, but not respect their beliefs or actions.

I disagree. The things that make me respect a person are their convictions and how they act upon them.

...[*snip*]...browse the internet and try to enlighten themselves like I and most other atheist have.

lmao. 'Browse the internet.' For someone that openly admits that he won't read about things he deems irrelevant with no sound reasoning, you have a lot of gall just encouraging people to browse an internet FULL of fundamentalist sites like godhatesfags, godgatesamerica, radical zionist sites and a vast array of misinformation surrounding all schools of thought put out by people that would rather use deceitful subterfuge than engage in honest discussion.

If you've depended on the internet for your guidance, you are in a dark room with the blind as your guide.

At 1/21/07 07:27 PM, Maus wrote:

At 1/21/07 07:13 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: All Denominations of Christianity, or the relevant majority of them believe in the same general facts

No. They don't. The reason there are so many sects of Christianity is because they can't agree on how to interpret the Bible.

Well a good portion of the U.S. population do, like I said prior - the ones that don't are an irrelevant minority. If this wasn't the case then Bush would've never gotten elected with his conservative values, and I basically have a problem with all of them because they all have churches in which they socially worship the fictional, it's delusional and pathetic.

I don't bother to inform myself of unnecessary things like other religions because, like i've said quite a few times before, Christianity is the one most affecting the country I live in, with nearly half of it's population identifying themselves as Christian, and 1/3 of the planet identifying themselves as Christian, it's the biggest sole religion.

Well then, you can't possibly hope to understand how all those religions had an impact on Christianity.

"Those that cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." -George Santayana
"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." -Unknown (mistakenly attributed to Twain)

Why would being knowledgeable on the impacts of other religions on Christianity have any signifcant help on getting people to stop believing in Christianity? It's useless information as far as i'm concerned.

I think stem cell research is promising for helping treat diseases we humans have caused within ourselves. I think cloning people is wrong, though.

That's another discussion entirely. Please, I know you didn't do this on purpose but make sure before you hit that post it button that you don't jump ahead in the discussion, once your an atheist, then we can debate the legitimacy of cloning people since I have something to say on that matter.

I was just demonstrating how not all Christians believe the same thing. No jumping.

Well, Christians, just by identifying themselves as Christians all believe in God, a 6,000 year old earth, Jesus coming back, the concept of a "soul", and etc.. There isn't half as much ambiguity in the bible as your implying. Most of the different denominations of Christianity are very mainstream such as Protestants, Lutherans, Catholics, Episcopal, etc etc..

You're female...[*snip*]...maturity.

That has nothing to do with what i posted. i was just showing you how people get to different places entirely due to life experience.

You don't spend your time trying to get people out of Christianity because 1) I'd suppose that you are Christian yourself, as you have identified yourself as. 2) You aren't aware of the detrimental effect it's having and of the fact that it has no real significant effect on the general populations morality so keeping up the belief in it is rather pointless.

None of that paragraph makes sense as a response to what I posted. All i said was I don't think it's my place to change someones mind about what they believe.

Yes it does, you're saying that you "don't think it's" your "place to change someones mind about what they believe" when it is in fact something that you should do. You probably think this way because you've been told that you should respect religious beliefs which you shouldn't as they are beliefs without evidence, they are beliefs based upon faith or the lack of evidence as is your belief. This system of respecting religious beliefs is an absurd notion in any other area of our lives, if you can't prove something then you shouldn't believe in it. There isn't any "gray area" or ambiguity like arguing over sports with alot of variables. It's Religion, true or false.

You can respect someone, but not respect their beliefs or actions.

I disagree. The things that make me respect a person are their convictions and how they act upon them.

According to the Princeton University, a convinction is an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence, a definition that I also agree with and i'm sure you would to. This word is ever-so reminiscent and synonymous with faith. So your statement only serves as another example of how you've been taught to respect a belief without proof, a rather unorthodox characteristic to be respectful of, which leads to question why it's been considered a good virtue in the first place when it obviously isn't. That's because of religion, it's implications, and effects on the psychology of society. If you were brought up to believe something by faith then you would more likely respect someone else's religious belief if they based it on faith. No where else in the general life of a person is this trait accepted as positive. It's only because religion has been assumed to be the only thing that can give people proper morals to live by. It also serves to answers the questions that science cannot yet so it's seen as alright to base your religion on faith because it's deemed to be a helpful belief. Unfortunately, it isn't as helpful of a belief as it would appear to be and it's helpfulness doesn't justify what it's costing society to continue believing it so belief must cease.

In conclusion, you shouldn't respect someone because of their convictions but because of their reasoning and mentality. Example, my dad believes in religion but I still respect him because he's not religious as he has no excuse to be because of his age and the assumed degree of maturity and information aquired by such an age, he does however believe in a higher god and respects those that do because he believes that it gives them morals (which in a sense it actually does but it's not the only source of morals that people can derive from, neither is it the best source so religion is now futile. As it arguably as always been, just now more-so then ever.) and I don't expect him to of encountered or been looking for opinions that would conflict with his own so I have empathy for his beliefs because of other factors that still allow me to respect him as a person, as I do my whole family, who btw are all Christians.

...[*snip*]...browse the internet and try to enlighten themselves like I and most other atheist have.

lmao. 'Browse the internet.' For someone that openly admits that he won't read about things he deems irrelevant with no sound reasoning, you have a lot of gall just encouraging people to browse an internet FULL of fundamentalist sites like godhatesfags, godgatesamerica, radical zionist sites and a vast array of misinformation surrounding all schools of thought put out by people that would rather use deceitful subterfuge than engage in honest discussion.

If you've depended on the internet for your guidance, you are in a dark room with the blind as your guide.

Hrm, I was naive of the fact that some people have weak minds. But seriously though, browsing the internet - or rather searching it for the sites like the ones that I viewed that enlightened my perspective on people and matured my mentality at a very young age. It's times like these that I hate myself for not bookmarking or saving that site somehow that made me turn atheist, or at least intrigued me to inquire further about my doubts on Christianity.

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you explained and said everything still in the opinion of a scientific theory and yet still did not answer my question. You told me what cold is. I know cold is a lack of heat but what is cold. Again you told me what love is and how people genereally connect to others. You said its because we spend so much time we gradually become sexually attracted to others. People get sexually attracted to others even if their not with that ceratin someone. Like some famous person on TV. Love is unexplainable. Why some people fall for others.

Basically you just repeated yourself from what i said. You cant disprove god or change others faith. YOu said you hate it when others tell you about faith but im ver devoted and i never spread it so i doubt people are doing it to you. In no way does that effect you. Also if many people think its odd that your atheiest its because everyone has faith. Theres like 100's of forms of the way people can believe and also tons in just one religion.

Just because you dont believe in god doesnt mean you should try to prove the un porveable by giving us an Atheiest theory on why god doesnt exist based on scientific theories.

I notice you told me theories were the only logical possiblility on everything. Again that personally opinion. Science explains how things work not on how everything came to be. They do not know how the universe was made. They say a big bang but again thats called *The Big Bang THEORY* Science cannot prove how the universe was made. theres absutely no way they can.

Also religion has had its impacts on life. People have seen thing un explainable and so have scientist. Theres things that happen in this world that just seem impossible.

The way your telling everyone about this isnt even your on info. Its just you opnion. Every question and statement i told you, you could only come back with an opinion and no logical answer. Why is that? Cause its all theories. Yes I believe in God....is that so harmful? Em i really doing bad? Do i 100% believe this? No i dont. But were human. We all have doubts. When the pope died he was afraid cause he had doubts. But everyone does. According to all religion god says its ok to have doubts. THATS BECAUSE WERE HUMAN.

The info you provided was nothing but a big ball of theories. Because one person whos atheist thinks its to control crime or put people in a state of law. Thats wrong because religion has been around for 1000's of years even back i nthe past when law was barely recognized or only had like 1 law (obey the king)

God doesnt tell you "YOU HAVE TO OBEY ME AND WORSHIP ME OR YOU"LL GO TO HELL" Thats just not right. God gives you a choice to believe him or not. Althought this is based on how religions been for 1000's of years.

So if you want to be athiest dont let anyone stop you. Dont let anyone convert you to catholic if you fee lgod doesnt exist. Is anyone wrong for beliving in anything? No. Im not even gonna try to tell you to believe in god cause its your decision.

Mines to have faith, and not be changed based on some Theorys, not from some guy who doesnt believe in god and can only use SCience as a way to say he does not exist. Science cant prove anything, they can only sum it up down to a minimal.

I dont think anything anyone can say about God or science is not based on a theory or belief. But if you feel that science is stronger then go for science....no ones stopping you.

At 1/21/07 07:16 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 1/21/07 06:14 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

BTW, Christianity (and everything that comes associated with a belief in it) is having a negative impact on my life, my state, and my country. Which is why i'm so fierce in my campaign against it.

I seriously doubt it.

Stem Cell Research (Healing).

Well I think if they ever decide to do it, they won't let the church stop them.

Waste of real estate (Churches).

:'( Oh noes! This must make you want to cut yourself!

Waste of productivity (Sundays).

How does this affect you?

At 1/21/07 08:32 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 1/21/07 07:16 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 1/21/07 06:14 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

BTW, Christianity (and everything that comes associated with a belief in it) is having a negative impact on my life, my state, and my country. Which is why i'm so fierce in my campaign against it.

I seriously doubt it.

Stem Cell Research (Healing).

Well I think if they ever decide to do it, they won't let the church stop them.

They are trying to do it, but the George Bush has cut federal funding for it which seriously impedes it's progress and he did this knowingly because of his "Conservative Christian" standpoint about how each of them have a soul. The U.S. population actually voted for this guy, I can't believe it. I'm not knowledgeable on the whole situation in Iraq and I don't wanna troll this thread into a "Does GB suck or not?" so i'll just leave it there at the some guy actually got elected president of the U.S. and this same guy cuts federal funding for the biggest medical advancement in the history of man. The issue is a lot more complex then what you state, no Church can dictate what the actions of universities or laboratories do, but the masses believing in the same religion as that church will vote for someone who will cut funding of an action they don't approve of.

Waste of real estate (Churches).

'( Oh noes! This must make you want to cut yourself!

No, it doesn't make me want to cut myself but it does anger me because it's a pathetic waste of space that is tax-exempt.

Waste of productivity (Sundays).

How does this affect you?

On the magnitude of the country, and not the small scope of the individual this hurts the countries economics, it actually positively affects me on a personal level because I'm usually paid more to work on Sundays because labor or a workforce is less available on that day ie less people are willing to work, less stores are open, people spend their time at church. It doesn't matter if it affects me personally or if it affects the country as a whole, it's a negative consequence because of a belief that most believe to be harmless and therefore identify themselves as this belief and everything it entails.

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Samuraikyo, i'm going to attend to your post but since it's so long it would only be fair if I typed up a post of the same magnitude of yours so since this is shorter i'm just going to debate with him then once i'm done i'll post my reply to your post so just wait until i'm done with this guy or just look out for when i'm done.
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