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At 12/30/06 01:57 AM, cornandbeans wrote: T_T

Fuck, I'm retarded. cornandbeans is one of my greatest inspirations on Newgrounds.

Forgive me?


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At 12/30/06 01:48 PM, SadSpoon wrote:
At 12/30/06 01:57 AM, cornandbeans wrote: T_T
Fuck, I'm retarded. cornandbeans is one of my greatest inspirations on Newgrounds.

Forgive me?

You are forgiven dude, besides cornandbeans has good music. And that means I'm retarded too.........

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At 12/30/06 02:04 PM, Andrea364 wrote: You are forgiven dude, besides cornandbeans has good music. And that means I'm retarded too.........

No. Just no.


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At 12/30/06 07:58 AM, Akula wrote: @ Rucklo, yeah I saw the Voodoo People Remix by pendulum. It's not that new btw. Yet the video clip is awesome, gotta organize shit like that.

How old is it then? I know hte song ain´t that new... i checked youtube, the very same day i saw that video by the way, for pendulum videos, and thatone never came up...

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At 12/30/06 01:48 PM, SadSpoon wrote:
At 12/30/06 01:57 AM, cornandbeans wrote: T_T
Fuck, I'm retarded. cornandbeans is one of my greatest inspirations on Newgrounds.

Forgive me?

hahahaha

dude you were the one who practically got me back into dnb. but of course you're forgiven lol... if you feel a need to be. ;P


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Happy new year guys. I hope you all had a fat rave.

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At 1/1/07 10:53 AM, RyanY wrote: Happy new year guys. I hope you all had a fat rave.

I had lots and lots of crab rangoon.... :D


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So, for you guys who actually makes DnB yourselves, what synth´s do you use for the reece? Personally I use Reason´s Malström. To be honest I find it a tad to weak, but there are sooo many cool things to do with it in reason alone... I´ve tried out other synth´s as well, in Albino 2(yes its old...) I thought I could get a more "compact" sound, but neeh, I like working in Reason, it´s so fast and easy to draw automations if you´re too lazy to use a midi keyboard/controller :)

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Wow I didn't know there was a DnB club... if you're into pendulum you should check out Subfocus, his Frozen Solid and Citizen Kane songs are mad :) I'm not really into pendulum's sound anymore... I listen to more aggresive and dark dnb like Noisia, Spor and Black Sun Empire. over here you can find some free songs, check out the downloads section. click here for a similar site, it's got lots of ok dark dnb. yet another site with free DnB's, check out Azrael and Pyro ;). A notable CD to listen to is "Drum n bass arena the classics", an essential for newcomers to the scene. I can't link to that atm, so d/l it yourself :) I hope this post was useful, it would be my first :P


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At 1/2/07 11:44 AM, Rucklo wrote: So, for you guys who actually makes DnB yourselves, what synth´s do you use for the reece?

I'm joinin this club dude this is awsome!!!

and any way.....

I use Vangaurd for some awsome bass noises (in FL)

I wanna get Camaleom5000 or what ever


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At 1/2/07 11:44 AM, Rucklo wrote: So, for you guys who actually makes DnB yourselves, what synth´s do you use for the reece? Personally I use Reason´s Malström. To be honest I find it a tad to weak

If you're reese is a standalone Malstrom, then yes of course it will be weak. It should be illegal to call something a reese without running it through a Scream4. I like to use Tube in Scream4, and turn the P1 and P2 knobs so that the face eachother. Also, if you have Reason 3.0, be sure to throw on some MClass suites, especially the Equalizer and Maximizer.


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Check some of my tracks out. If anyone is intrested in mixing, i just startted a kinda mix off.
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=63 3083


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At 1/2/07 06:36 PM, Oro wrote:
At 1/2/07 11:44 AM, Rucklo wrote: So, for you guys who actually makes DnB yourselves, what synth´s do you use for the reece? Personally I use Reason´s Malström. To be honest I find it a tad to weak
If you're reese is a standalone Malstrom, then yes of course it will be weak.

Now THAT depends on your knowledge with the Malström to begin with. I can honestly say I can tweak out a fat sound out of a standalone malström, but obviously noone leaves a synth unprocessed if using software...

However, Scream4 is great, like you say. Personally I am getting a tad tired of it´s sound though, I´ve tried other methods of getting things to dist... for example run the signal through a compressor and set it so it dists on the loudest parts only. Sounds really cool.

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I've been using multiple SubTractors in a Combi to make my reeses, but I really have no clue what I'm doing. I'll try it out with the Malstrom.

What basic waveform techniques do those great DnB guys (spor, noisia, calyx) use to make their awesome "growling" basslines? I know they use LP filtering for the growl, but I still need to get the hang of that .


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I recently made my 1st drum 'n bass song and it sucks ass cuz i really don't nkow what drum n' bass really is...

I mean i don't understand it....

Like do you have a loud fuckin Bass drum pounding while the notes of some odd instroment plays a gay tune or sumthing????

i never really got how drum n' bass should be made.....


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Meh, a lot of stuff people have named here is mainstream, if you want some real DnB you should check these out:

Black Sun Empire :
Bite
Futu
Noise
State Of Mind:
Sun King <--- On of my fav DnB tracks, EVER
Devil Eyes
Dread Rock
The Upbeats:
The Gospel
Fill Me in
View From The Inside
Noisia:
Mediation <--- a really heavy track with a defined beat.

Enjoy :)

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SadSpoon, here´s a tip of how you can make a fat subbassline in Reason;

- Set up a new 14:2 mixer inside a combinator.

- Set up a Malström. Use two oscillators set to basic sine´s. Play the sines at somewhere between C0 and C2 to get it as low as you wish. (Try to get your subbass lowest frequencies around 25-50Hz or so). You won´t hear much at this moment, so turn on the shaper and add some boost for the sine-shape (or saturate or whatever you think sounds coolest).

- Now, to get it pump, set the Modulator (B) rate to around 85-ish, depending on how fast you want the "beating effect" pump. Use a sine-shape here. If you want to, you can sync the shaping, but personally I prefer not to. Set the volume knob on the Mod B to around 40, or how much you want it to beat. Remember to route both oscillators to the filter, and if you want, route the osc. B to the shaper as well.

- This will probably sound fairly OK, if you try doing stuff with the shift knobs, it´s gonna start crying in a cool way. But to get this right, we must take control of the sound, since it´s all over the place now;

- Connect the Malström directly into a spider splitter. Now you´ll have four signals to play with. One of the four you connect into a lowpassfilter (remember that you can use the StereoImager as a filter as well, both low and highpass. I think it works as a 6dB filter). Cut it around 250Hz or so, it all depends on what notes you are playing. After the filter you can add some slight compression if you feel comfortable using a compressor. Then put it straight into the Mixer. Now you´ll have full controll of the actual sub-frequencies.

- A second signal from the splitter you can put into a Scream4 unit. I think it sounds really cool if you use the Tape compression, set knob P2 to a low value, 2:0 - 2:5 or so. Then after that comes a Highpass filter (use the StereoImager), removing all frequencies below around 250Hz (again, it depends on whatnotes you are playin and how you´ve set your Malström.... You might want to cut it alot higher). Also add a lowpass filter, to get rid of ev. unwanted high frequencies. Perhaps aroun 1kHz or higher (or lower :)
Slightly compress if you wish too. It´s important that you never over-process anything, it´s very easy to do so with compression in perticular... remember that you´re gonna use the synth in a SONG, with other instruments, meaning you will most likley have to go back and twak stuff later.
Anyway, when you like the sound, put it into the mixers second channel.

- A third spilt you can fool around a little more crazy with, add a phaser AND a flanger, do other weird stuff with it... Eventually it should end up in the mixer anyway.

The point of this is that now you will have the full oppurtunity mixing the subbass to get the sound you want from the 14:2 mixer within the combinator. You can of course automate stuff to make it weird and all that jazz.

Of course you probably won´t get a "razor sharp killer sound" by following these instructions to the fully, you MUST tweak to get it right. These are just guidlines.
What I do now is that I set up a subbass kindof like this. then i re-wire to cubase and export the different channels, so i can mix it all in cubase. It´s basicly the same thing, but i´ll have access to alot of good plugs and wil work with .wav files rather then re-wired channels. It gives me very different options. I may have to go back into reason and make changes and export again, but it´s worth it, the end result wil be alot better.

Also remember that subbass should at all time be kept mono.
Try to get hold of a spectrum analyzer, it´s very difficult to hear the very low end. If you have bad speakers, you won´t get the right feel of the low end anyway. And don´t even think about trying to mix subbass in headphones. You MUST feel the bass... You should mix the bass rather loud too, around 85-90 dB. This is because the human ear won´t hear the bass as good as other frequencies (it´s called "phon curve", google it:). But BE CAREFUL when mixing this loud, and don´t do it for long periods of time. Take frequent breaks, or you´ll end up with tinnitus or worse... :O

Of course, listen to your song when i´t about to get finnished, in different systems. This is the only way to get as close to the truth of how it "really" sounds...

Hope this can give some insiration :)

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I copy/pasted my previous post and also added a few short tips about bassdrum in the AF´s LowEnd Factory thread. I suppose it´s preffereable to keep the more technical parts of making DnB in the Audio Forum.

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At 1/4/07 07:05 AM, Rosenrot-I wrote: Meh, a lot of stuff people have named here is mainstream, if you want some real DnB you should check these out:

Artist names please?

I loved Sun King, kinda chillout like hold your colour.

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Audio - No Soul

Love that song...

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Anyone ever heard of Kruder & Dorfmeister?

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At 1/4/07 12:39 PM, Serman wrote: Anyone ever heard of Kruder & Dorfmeister?

Yeah i reckoginze that name from dnbradio.com, cant remember any songs tho...

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Hi
I meant to post here some couple of days ago, but essays and schoolwork caught up, so I had to start working even though I said I'd post here to the club leader...So anyway, I hope you guys don't mind but I'd like to join even though I don't know any artists but I have a strong taste for DnB and listen to Bassdrive alot. Also I looked in the previous pages and started to download the recommended tracks. If I am allowed here, I would like to apologize early for my inactivity, mainly because of work catching up and me being awful lazy I actually did three last minute essays today and that's the least of what might happen...


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Thanks for the awesome tutorial, Rucklo! I have the bass running as I type and it sounds AWESOME!

I'll check out that bassdrum thing you mentioned.


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Sorry for needlessly advertising in this thread, but a lot of you like Pendulum, so I think you'd like this song that I just made. I personally thought that it was pretty badass.

On another note, any of you into the really old drum n' bass? Like... the stuff that was literally so empty and long that it was just drums and a bass synth? Stuff like "Warhead" by DJ Krust, and "Crowd Rocker" by... dammit, I can't remember the artists name.


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At 1/4/07 04:02 PM, SadSpoon wrote: Thanks for the awesome tutorial, Rucklo! I have the bass running as I type and it sounds AWESOME!

I'll check out that bassdrum thing you mentioned.

Anytime, Spoonie. If you have any question or tip yourself, perhaps we should stick to thte low end factory thread, and keep this thread not so techincal... or whaterver :)

zenon, i listened to your song. I really liked it! reviewd..

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At 1/4/07 04:17 PM, BLACKNOISE wrote: On another note, any of you into the really old drum n' bass? Like... the stuff that was literally so empty and long that it was just drums and a bass synth? Stuff like "Warhead" by DJ Krust, and "Crowd Rocker" by... dammit, I can't remember the artists name.

Haha, I heard Warhead. It's sooo simple yet so great. I oughta make a song like that. It'll only take 20 minutes, anyway.

On that topic, how much do you hate Jump-Up on a scale of 1-10? I'd probably say 10. It's sooo stupid and boring and repetitive! They're just 2-bar loops with the exact same drums and one of 5 different idiotic bass patterns. Ahg, the idiocy!


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At 1/4/07 11:01 AM, Charged wrote:
At 1/4/07 07:05 AM, Rosenrot-I wrote: Meh, a lot of stuff people have named here is mainstream, if you want some real DnB you should check these out:
Artist names please?

I loved Sun King, kinda chillout like hold your colour.

Artist names are in Italics, then tracks by that artist below. Also if you want some dark DnB check out stuff by Tech Itch and Counterstrike. "Enemy" is a good one by Counterstrike.

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At 1/4/07 04:57 PM, SadSpoon wrote: On that topic, how much do you hate Jump-Up on a scale of 1-10? I'd probably say 10. It's sooo stupid and boring and repetitive! They're just 2-bar loops with the exact same drums and one of 5 different idiotic bass patterns. Ahg, the idiocy!

Well, actually, its very hard to make and it takes a lot of effort to work with the vocals it provides. But, after you get all the tough stuff down, that genre is really just a broken record.

Start song with bells, break into kick/bass + vox, kick+melody synth fade in, then melody + breaks dabbled everywhere.

Its hard to make, really, but... its all the same. I hate it with a passion. I'd have to say I hate it 9/10.


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Oh I´m back home and finally got to see "Voodoo People" remixed by pendulum. I had only seen the very end of that video before, fucking brililant video.

Apparently it´s based off a spanish movie called "INTACTO"... im gonna go goole it now :)

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