Can chimps & humans have kids?

[yoshimickster]

I just thought & I realized, could they?If what we know about evolution is true than can a monkey be inseminated with a humans child?I think yes.And when we find out, its not gonna be like some scientists ARTIFICIALY inseminated the chimp, that chimp was horny!And its gonna be the guy at the zoo, or someone who broke in, or Michael Jackson got drunk.And I mean really drunk.

And then all the RightWing assholes will be like "Oh what a pervert" or "What a fag" or some other bullshit. Shouldn't we have learned by now that not all lifestyles are like yours.That if a guy wants to have sex with a sheep, or a cow, he should be able to do it without being arrested.Its like the gay marraige thing, how they can't marry just cos the bible doesnt freaken command it.Not everything the bible says is true.Love the neighbor, dont covet his wife BULLSHIT!

So what Im asking is, not that the man & the monkey could make one, is if that little Robin Williams baby could be accepted in such an intolerant world.Probably not.(sighs)

[JakeHero]

I doubt either are genetically compatible.

[Makaio]

your stoned right now arent you?

and no, the 2% difference in out dna is enough to make sure even if conception could take place the genes wouldnt mesh, different number of chromosomes

[Gunter45]

At 12/27/06 01:06 AM, Makaio wrote: your stoned right now arent you?

and no, the 2% difference in out dna is enough to make sure even if conception could take place the genes wouldnt mesh, different number of chromosomes

A different number of chromosones would make up a hell of a lot more than a 2% difference. That's incredibly significant in the genetic code. I find it odd that chimpanzees can have 2 more chromosomes than humans and that only accounts for 2% difference. Statistically speaking, 2/48ths is larger than 2/100ths by itself, and that's assuming that the other 46 chromosomes match a human's identically.

[Secretsauce]

That 2% difference is the reason why the chimps and the humans are humans. If chimps and humans could have children, they would be the same species (by definition).

[fli]

At 12/27/06 01:04 AM, BanditByte wrote: I doubt either are genetically compatible.

Actually...
they're VERY are compatible... infact, there was an odd scientist who tried to inseminate female chimps with human male seman. None of them took, but with today's science and perfected insemination techniques...

Such things are possible (but banned, I believe.)
This ban, if I remember, happened when Asian scientists sucessfully created human-rabbit embryos.

[fli]

Wiki article...
You can read stuff about this in Discovery Mag and stuff...

[Fox]

At 12/27/06 02:07 AM, Secretsauce wrote: That 2% difference is the reason why the chimps and the humans are humans. If chimps and humans could have children, they would be the same species (by definition).

That's not true, though.
Although A chimp's and a human's DNA is 98% similar, it doesn't mean the two species couldn't make babies. The 2% difference isn't significant enough to make it impossible, but significant enough to make the offspring sterile and horribly mutated. The DNA of the two species must be similar enough, but not necessarily the same. To prove this, A human's and a carrot's DNA is 52% similar. Could a human and a carrot reproduce? I believe a horse's and a donkey's DNA is 97% similar. When they are bred, a mule is born.

[Bolo]

Humans and chimpanzees have different number of chromosomes, but this does not necessarily mean a humanzee would be infertile. Two chromosomes in the ape genome have fused in the human genome, but such mismatches are relatively common in existing species, a phenomenon known as chromosomal polymorphism.

Many believe that if a chuman/humanzee existed and could bear its own young, then humans and chimpanzees would be the same species a priori. This is based on a commonly used definition of species that considers specifically the possibility of genetic transfer between populations. Other definitions of species do not make this conclusion; for example, a female liger – the hybrid offspring of a lion and a tiger – may be fertile, but lions and tigers are considered separate species.

The genetic structure of all the great apes, including humans, is similar. Chromosomes 6, 13, 19, 21, 22, and X are structurally the same in all species of great apes. 3, 11, 14, 15, 18, and 20 match between gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. Chimps and humans match on 1, 2p, 2q, 5, 7 - 10, 12, 16, and Y as well. Some older references will include Y as a match between gorillas, chimps, and humans, but chimpanzees (including bonobos) and humans have recently been found to share a large transposition from chromosome 1 to Y that is not found in any other ape.[2]

Compared to other apes, humans are short one chromosome. In humans, chromosomes 2p and 2q have fused into a large chromosome. This chromosome contains remnants of the centromere and telomeres of the ancestral 2p and 2q.[3])

This level of chromosomal similarity is roughly equivalent to that found in equines. Interfertility of horses and donkeys is common, and some of the resulting hybrids are themselves fertile. In a direct parallel to the chimp-human case, the Przewalski horse (Equus przewalskii) with 33 chromosome pairs, and the domestic horse (E. caballus) with 32 chromosome pairs, have been found to be interfertile, and produce semi-fertile offspring, where male hybrids can breed with female domestic horses.[4])

In the 1920s the Soviet biologist Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov carried out a series of experiments to create a human/ape hybrid. At first working with human sperm and chimpanzee females, none of his attempts created a pregnancy. In 1929 he organized a set of experiments involving ape sperm and human volunteers, but was delayed by the death of his last orangutan. The next year he fell under political criticism from the Soviet government and was sentenced to exile in the Kazakh SSR during the Great Purge; he died two years later (see below).

As far back as 1977, researcher J. Michael Bedford[5] discovered that human sperm could penetrate the protective outer membranes of a gibbon egg. Among the apes, the gibbon is the farthest from humans. Bedford's paper also stated that human spermatozoa would not even attach to the zona surface of sub-hominoid primate (baboon, rhesus monkey, squirrel monkey), concluding that although the specificity of human spermatozoa is not confined to man alone, it probably is restricted to the Hominoidea.

One possible way that ape sperm could be used to fertilise human eggs would be with simple sperm washing techiques to remove white blood cells and other matter from the semen. Then mix in isotonic saline (buffered to neutral ph), centrifuge, remove the pellet of sperm at the bottom, and use with either in vitro (IVF), or intra-uterine insemination (IUI) procedure. Or add in dextrose, glycerine, propylene glycol, and saline and cryo-freeze for later. [citation needed]

In 2006, research suggested that after the last common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees diverged into two distinct lineages, inter-lineage sex was still sufficiently common that it produced fertile hybrids for around 1.2 million years after the initial split.[6]

However, despite speculation, no case of a human-chimpanzee cross has ever been confirmed to exist in modern times. This doesn't make it entirely impossible; Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells. Chimpanzees are much more like humans than rabbits. Still, the creation of humanzees might run into difficulties other than purely scientific ones. For example, in 2004, Canada passed the Assisted Human Reproduction Act, which bans chimeras. Specifically, it prohibits transferring a nonhuman cell into a human embryo and putting human cells into a nonhuman embryo. Should similar laws be passed in other countries, the chances of a humanzee coming to life would diminish regardless of technological and medical advancements.

And, no, I didn't come up with this myself.

[JakeHero]

At 12/27/06 02:22 AM, fli wrote: Actually...
they're VERY are compatible... infact, there was an odd scientist who tried to inseminate female chimps with human male seman. None of them took, but with today's science and perfected insemination techniques...

So if someone bangs a monkey they can make little Sylvester Stallones?

[Carbo]

nasty wont the human get gonorrhea or some nasty disease

[JudgeDredd]

At 12/27/06 03:02 AM, BanditByte wrote: So if someone bangs a monkey they can make little Sylvester Stallones?

No they can't.

Well, excluding the odd rare exception.

[smulse]

At 12/27/06 03:02 AM, BanditByte wrote:

So if someone bangs a monkey they can make little Sylvester Stallones?

Eww, why would anyone want to bang a monkey, or was there not much choice in the matter for them?

At 12/27/06 05:39 AM, I7REI7I7 wrote: No they can't.
Well, excluding the odd rare exception.

It's true! It's all true.

[Buffalow]

At 12/27/06 02:07 AM, Secretsauce wrote: If chimps and humans could have children, they would be the same species (by definition).

You've never heard of a mule, have you.

[JudgeDredd]

At 12/27/06 11:46 AM, Proud-American wrote:

At 12/27/06 02:07 AM, Secretsauce wrote: If chimps and humans could have children, they would be the same species (by definition).

You've never heard of a mule, have you.

Is it related to a dongkey?

[ReiperX]

Two problems

The genetic differences, although its not really that much of a difference compared to other animals, is too great to allow breeding.

Second, the beastiality question: Animals cannot consent to sex, therefore it is non consentual sex.

So why do I have a feeling your entire point of this thread is for people to attack beastiality, and yet you pull the well if you are against beastiality, yet you are for gay people, then doesn't that just make you a hypocrit.

The answer is no.

[SolInvictus]

At 12/27/06 05:56 PM, Xyklon-B wrote: Yes, chimps and humans can have kids. They are what we now call negros.

you're as clever as ever.

[Buffalow]

At 12/27/06 05:56 PM, Xyklon-B wrote: Yes, chimps and humans can have kids. They are what we now call negros.

Oh....ho ho....you went below the belt on that one.

[drDAK]

The definition of a species is a group that can successfully mate and reproduce, so... if chimps could indeed sucessfully reproduce with humans, they would be homo sapien sapiens, just like us.

[Gunter45]

At 12/27/06 11:46 AM, Proud-American wrote:

At 12/27/06 02:07 AM, Secretsauce wrote: If chimps and humans could have children, they would be the same species (by definition).

You've never heard of a mule, have you.

Mules are infertile, however, therefore horeses and donkeys aren't the same species. He's right, if a human and chimp could produce fertile offspring, it would mean that we're actually the same species. However, it doesn't appear that we can since it doesn't seem to have happened.

[riffraff120000]

At 12/27/06 11:46 AM, Proud-American wrote:

At 12/27/06 02:07 AM, Secretsauce wrote: If chimps and humans could have children, they would be the same species (by definition).

You've never heard of a mule, have you.

Or the lygir.

[Der-Ubermensch]

I see many infants resembling chimps in my ghetto neighbourhood, so who knows really.

[ShmenonPie]

Well, I'm not particularly right wing, but yes, it's pretty wrong to have sex with animals, as they can't consent, and it really just isn't natural.

[The-evil-bucket]

There is this little thing called DNA that stops all these things from happening.

[ReiperX]

At 12/27/06 08:31 PM, drDAK wrote: The definition of a species is a group that can successfully mate and reproduce, so... if chimps could indeed sucessfully reproduce with humans, they would be homo sapien sapiens, just like us.

Actually there are different species that can reproduce together. Horse and Donkey makes a mule, mules aren't its own species though since they cannot reproduce.

Tiger and Lion can reproduce, but its offspring cannot.

If a chimp and a human can, then the offspring would almost certainly not be able to reproduce either.

I think you should test that theory yourself and report back to us.

[Gunter45]

At 12/28/06 01:46 AM, riffraff120000 wrote: Or the lygir.

Those things are fucking huge.

[Glendale]

Go try. keep us posted what happens.

[AdamRice]

So let me get this straight, a lygir is a real animal???

[SolInvictus]

At 12/28/06 08:59 PM, fasdit wrote: So let me get this straight, a lygir is a real animal???

ya, but its spelt liger.