Global Warming.

[Jehova]

I give us 150, 200 years tops, before we kill ourselves. Unless we can do something major to stop it.

[Engelsman]

So, what you're saying is if we don't cut back on carbon emissions before it's too late... we should kill ourselves?

[SmilezRoyale]

At 12/23/06 01:47 PM, Engelsman wrote: So, what you're saying is if we don't cut back on carbon emissions before it's too late... we should kill ourselves?

No, when he means "kill ourselfs" he's refering to the damage that can be caused by global warming.

I dont care if global warning exists or not, america shouldn't get any oil untill bush is impeached and socialism is enacted.

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

If we havnt colonised mars by then we deserve to die!

[Neoptolemus]

The fact of the matter is many scientists are estimating the cut off point (which is if we act after that we cant stop it) as being in about 20-30 years.

[SolInvictus]

At 12/23/06 01:11 PM, Jehova wrote: I give us 150, 200 years tops, before we kill ourselves. Unless we can do something major to stop it.

ha, even without the Arctic, polar bears and the Antarctic humans'll do just fine.

[AdamRice]

I can only speak for my local area at this time. I live in Michigan and it is raining right now! It's only snowed twice since the winter here started, and both of those snows were wimpy one day melt snows. This is actually quite unusual for my area. I cannot remember a december in Michigan where it has not snowed once. Not even once.

And I personally don't think global warming is capable of killing off the extremely stubborn human race. However that is no excuse to shrug it off thinking that it won't be bad. There will still be millions of deaths resulting from coastal city flooding and famine as farm land is destroyed. You guys thought the Asian tsunamis were bad? Just imagine that around the world.

Not to mention that the destruction of property from flood waters and insurance rate sky rocket effect will cause economic ruin in nearly all nations.

Hopefully by this point we will have perfected nuclear fusion, assuming that it's even possible to create a reaction past break even point while still being a cost effective energy solution.

It's foolish to think that global warming will be no big deal.

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

to stop global warming maybe we should blow up the sun

[Carbo]

At 12/23/06 07:01 PM, made-4-sex wrote: to stop global warming maybe we should blow up the sun

hah in order to stop global warming is to stop 1)Adding carbon dioxide (CO2) or methane (CH4) to Earth's atmosphere, with no other changes, will make the planet's surface warmer

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up

[AdamRice]

At 12/23/06 07:01 PM, made-4-sex wrote: to stop global warming maybe we should blow up the sun

Oh, quite the contrary I'm afraid. When the sun does blow up it will surely melt the earth's surface and boil away the oceans.

[Socialiste]

What is the most plausible scenario is this one. First, we will know a global warming, you all know that. Second, there will be a problem with the Atlantic Ocean. The gulf stream will stop to normalize the temperatures of North America (mainly Europe (Mainly UK) and North America (Mainly Quebec and North-East States) and we will know the same problem that happened during 16st century: a really cold climate about -5 or -6 which can mean about 8 months of hard winted and 4 months of quite cool summers. Imagine how people can live in such climate. We're not doomed because we will toast, we're doom because we'll freeze.

[SolInvictus]

At 12/24/06 01:23 AM, fasdit wrote: Oh, quite the contrary I'm afraid. When the sun does blow up it will surely melt the earth's surface and boil away the oceans.

not to mention that we sort of need the sun, but thats only a minor detail.

[Sigma-Lambda]

At 12/24/06 02:10 AM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote: not to mention that we sort of need the sun, but thats only a minor detail.

If you've ever been to Wisconsin in the dead of winter, you'd know that some people don't need heat to live.

[bmlsnowboarder]

At 12/23/06 07:01 PM, made-4-sex wrote: to stop global warming maybe we should blow up the sun

The sun is going to engulf the earth eventually (though how it helps us I don't know). However, that's not going to happen for a LONG time. We're going to have to do something about about fossil fuel usage eventually, since we all know they're not going to last us forever. I think that using alternative energy sources would help combat global warming.

Or we could get a time machine and go back and not deal with this crap.

[Der-Ubermensch]

A rainy Christmas eve in Montreal, Canada. I believe that speaks for the situation in general.

[ReiperX]

1 mild December does not mean that global warming is taking place. They expected a mild winter due to the El Nino (sorry I forgot how to do the proper symbol for the 2nd n). If people would pay attention they said this back in June or July if I recall correctly.

[Damn-Retard]

If we, humans, don't stop the global warming, there will come an ice age by some reasons I dont know, but we wil be safe in the southern half of the world... :3

[Twerpo]

At 12/24/06 03:24 AM, Sigma-Lambda wrote:

At 12/24/06 02:10 AM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote: not to mention that we sort of need the sun, but thats only a minor detail.

If you've ever been to Wisconsin in the dead of winter, you'd know that some people don't need heat to live.

Even at below zero temperatures the sun is still heating that area of the earth. No sun means that the entire planet freezes. Completely. No food, nothing. The whol food chain breaks down. Everyone is fucked.

[Draconias]

At 12/23/06 03:05 PM, Neoptolemus wrote: The fact of the matter is many scientists are estimating the cut off point (which is if we act after that we cant stop it) as being in about 20-30 years.

But those scientists are completely wrong. They really have no idea at all how the environment will change, as demonstrated by their complete surprise at the reappearance of El Nino this year, and the recently measured cooling of the world's Oceans by 0.1 degrees Celcius. The weather this winter is based on El Nino, not Global Warming at all. Those scientiss don't know anything about what will happen.

[MonsterMagic]

screw it itll be our kids problem in 150-200 years
i say lets just leave fixing it to the sientist

150-200 years and we will all be dead man
uless you come up with a anti-aging potion or some crap

[AdamRice]

At 12/24/06 03:24 AM, Sigma-Lambda wrote:

At 12/24/06 02:10 AM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote: not to mention that we sort of need the sun, but thats only a minor detail.

If you've ever been to Wisconsin in the dead of winter, you'd know that some people don't need heat to live.

Your "inside jokes" fail to amuse me in the discussion of a more serious issue.

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

Its not our fucking problem

[fahrenheit]

Theres enough ignorance in this thread to match the level of a room full of pre-WWII germans.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 12/23/06 02:58 PM, made-4-sex wrote: If we havnt colonised mars by then we deserve to die!

Attempting to fill an entire planet with Oxygen and Water, as well as the vegetation and the nutrients to support that kind of vegetation took on earth 3 billion years with the help of nuclear and chemical reactions bigger then anything we could ever amass in our short existance in this universe.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 12/23/06 04:57 PM, fasdit wrote: I can only speak for my local area at this time. I live in Michigan and it is raining right now! It's only snowed twice since the winter here started, and both of those snows were wimpy one day melt snows. This is actually quite unusual for my area. I cannot remember a december in Michigan where it has not snowed once. Not even once.

And I personally don't think global warming is capable of killing off the extremely stubborn human race. However that is no excuse to shrug it off thinking that it won't be bad. There will still be millions of deaths resulting from coastal city flooding and famine as farm land is destroyed. You guys thought the Asian tsunamis were bad? Just imagine that around the world.

Not to mention that the destruction of property from flood waters and insurance rate sky rocket effect will cause economic ruin in nearly all nations.

Hopefully by this point we will have perfected nuclear fusion, assuming that it's even possible to create a reaction past break even point while still being a cost effective energy solution.

It's foolish to think that global warming will be no big deal.

It's not foolish, it's more a long the lines of wishfull thinking backed up with several counterevidence:

For example, the sea floor has (aparently) been rising ever since the last ice age. Also, human machinery isn't the biggest source of sulfer and carbon releases in the atmosphere. ( the two main agents in acid rain + Global warming ) Volcanoes are. Also, a huge amount of methane gas is released from locations in the ocean

You also have the thing about the mantle, the earth itself is a nuclear power plant, the center of the earth stay's hot because chemicals are undergoing radioactive decay which in effect releases 2 things, energy, and bio-crap. (Things which potentially harm the atmosphere) Scientists agree that not everything that planet building and nature does is best suited for the needs of life of the majority of organic beings on this planet, which is why it's so hard to find planets with life on them. (or atleast, life as classified by the life on earth)

It surprises me however how sudden the changes have been (as if from one of those zomg earth is gonna bl0w!!! sci-fi movies) It was only 5-10 years ago that we actually experienced snow here.

Now, i stated that the center of the earth, and much of the mantle around it is a nuclear reactor, the closest places we can get to this source of energy are volcanoes and geizers located both above and below sea, but of course these sources are very precarious to human beings.

[AdamRice]

At 12/24/06 10:58 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

At 12/23/06 02:58 PM, made-4-sex wrote: If we havnt colonised mars by then we deserve to die!

Attempting to fill an entire planet with Oxygen and Water, as well as the vegetation and the nutrients to support that kind of vegetation took on earth 3 billion years with the help of nuclear and chemical reactions bigger then anything we could ever amass in our short existance in this universe.

Actually, terraforming of planets has been widely considered by NASA and is not out of the realm of possibility.

[stafffighter]

At 12/24/06 06:54 PM, made-4-sex wrote: Its not our fucking problem

No but it could be your kids problem. Or are you just a horrible father?

Seriously, the planet has heated up a lot more than it should have proportionally speaking. As the species running the show we have to take some of the blame.

[mynamewontfitin]

At 12/23/06 04:57 PM, fasdit wrote: I can only speak for my local area at this time. I live in Michigan and it is raining right now! It's only snowed twice since the winter here started, and both of those snows were wimpy one day melt snows. This is actually quite unusual for my area. I cannot remember a december in Michigan where it has not snowed once. Not even once.

I haven't had any snow here in Northern New Jersey either and I was thinking the same thing as you but I saw on the news a few days ago that the reason for the high temperatures and the lack of snow may be due to El Niño.

[JakeHero]

If hurricane Katrina has tought us anything it's that global warming is a growing problem. Another problem, however, looms, if we're to lower emissions how exactly would we go about doing so without cutting off alot of necessary heating? We wouldn't want possibly thousands of people dying worldwide from coldness.

So the real question is: how do we rectify the problem of emissions while not endangering the lives of human beings.

[Carbo]

At 12/25/06 11:28 AM, BanditByte wrote: If hurricane Katrina has tought us anything it's that global warming is a growing problem.

Global warming doesn't create hurricanes, but it does make them stronger and more dangerous. Because the ocean is getting warmer, tropical storms can pick up more energy and become more powerful. So global warming could turn, say, a category 3 storm into a much more dangerous category 4 storm. In fact, scientists have found that the destructive potential of hurricanes has greatly increased along with ocean temperature