Junk

[bumcheekcity]

please note this is not another 'Legalise Ganja' post.

there have been plans in the UK to make it legal for doctors to give Junk (Heroin) to addicts free of charge, with clean needles and complete confidentiality. the only clause is that they have to take it in the surgery - they cant take it home but they can get as many hits as they like, free of charge.

what do you think about this? i personally thnk its wuite a good idea - seeing as most junkies deaths are caused by impure heroin and dirty needles, but i can see its downsides as well.

[Freakapotimus]

I've got some opinions forming, but I'd like to see more info on this first. Can you post some? In the meantime, I'll also do a little searching.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/11/03 10:51 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: I've got some opinions forming, but I'd like to see more info on this first. Can you post some? In the meantime, I'll also do a little searching.

sure, i only know minimal information because they dont want the controversy just yet, but the plans say that registered NHS doctors will be able to give (not prescribe) pure heroin to addicts. the addicts will have to take it (the junk) in the doctors surgery, and they cant take any home. a junkie can take as many hits as he likes and of course the doctor will help them to quit but only if they want.

thats really all i know about it now. ill try and find a news article and post a link.

[Commander-K25]

Great....legalized drug dealers.

[TheShrike]

Here's a good place to start looking

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4355096,00.html

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/11/03 09:51 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: Great....legalized drug dealers.

not really. i think the point is that the heroin they supply would be pure and the needles clean. to the NHS, heroin costs very little actually (compared to how much junkies pay proper dealers) and as they can get it free, there would be no point of anyone dealing cut heroin with dodgy needles any more.

[Dj-Spikelet]

Its both good and bad but the government wont have to waste as much money doing it that way. Its costs somewhere around 70k to 100k for a person to spend a year in jail.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/13/03 12:06 PM, Silverheart_Inc wrote: Its both good and bad but the government wont have to waste as much money doing it that way. Its costs somewhere around 70k to 100k for a person to spend a year in jail.

that much? bring on execution...

[TheloniousMONK]

At 4/12/03 02:48 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: not really. i think the point is that the heroin they supply would be pure and the needles clean. to the NHS, heroin costs very little actually (compared to how much junkies pay proper dealers) and as they can get it free, there would be no point of anyone dealing cut heroin with dodgy needles any more.

Yeah, that is all good and everything, but you budge a little on this, and I mean, what is next? The answer to drug problems are not to make it safer, it is to eradicate it by making people face it. I have NEVER seen a man come out of a drug addiction wishing he was still a slave to it, but I have seen plenty of dying addicts wishing they had quit.

[MarijuanaClock]

They already have something similar to this in Switz. for those who are truely addicted.

This is not for anyone who simply wants heroin, it's for those who can not kick the habbit. The fact is these people will never kick heroin no matter how hard they try or how many times you send them to jail.

Really if you send them to jail for using they can still get heroin within the prision system, and now you're giving them three squares a day to boot.

The fact is if you can control a persons addiction you can control their behaviour. If a heroin addict has a regular supply of heroin he will not rob, steal, and kill for it.

Not only can you eliminate the criminal activities of addicts, as opposed to just sending them to jail, you can also find jobs for the addicts to do.

Not only are you stoping crime and easing the burden tax payers have to pick up for incarceration of addicts, but addicts who were previously costing tax payers money can now be productive members of society.

[NJDeadzone]

great so i'd better tell my NJ Beach Buddies(Jersey being the most heroin addicted state in the US) that they could make money overseas. At least i won't have to worry about them askin me to buy a hit...

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/14/03 12:48 AM, NJDeadzone wrote: great so i'd better tell my NJ Beach Buddies(Jersey being the most heroin addicted state in the US) that they could make money overseas. At least i won't have to worry about them askin me to buy a hit...

you cant take the junk out of the room. the doctor will get it into the needle, and watch you inject it into yourself. afterwards, he will sk you if you want to quit and help you if you do. there is no way you are sneaking junk out of the country in 50,000 separate syringes.

[Freakapotimus]

I think it's better for them to do the herion in a clean and safe environment. It's also great that the doctors will help them, and that the addicts know help is available if they want it. I don't think jail is the answer; as someone already said, it doesn't help the addiction, and herion can be sneaked.

[fourdaddy]

At 4/13/03 12:06 PM, Silverheart_Inc wrote: Its costs somewhere around 70k to 100k for a person to spend a year in jail.

i dont think thats quite right. in indiana its $19,000 per inmate per year, according to my criminology class. maybe that much (70-100) in some kind of maximum security penetentiary, but not a common jail where dealers and junkies are held.

as for the topic, i think that if they recorded how much was being taken and did not allow the patient to use any more than the previous session each time, there could be some beneficial attributes. allowing them to only use a lower amount every time would help them quit, unless they went somewhere else to finish getting their high

[panik]

cant write much I have an appointment with my drug deal....umm...doctor.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/14/03 11:37 AM, fourdaddy wrote:

At 4/13/03 12:06 PM, Silverheart_Inc wrote: Its costs somewhere around 70k to 100k for a person to spend a year in jail.

i dont think thats quite right. in indiana its $19,000 per inmate per year, according to my criminology class. maybe that much (70-100) in some kind of maximum security penetentiary, but not a common jail where dealers and junkies are held.

actually, dealerds of junk are held in the Max. Security prisons, the senteances given are usually around 12 years (8 with good behaviour) and life for major drug dealing or smuggling.

as for the topic, i think that if they recorded how much was being taken and did not allow the patient to use any more than the previous session each time, there could be some beneficial attributes. allowing them to only use a lower amount every time would help them quit, unless they went somewhere else to finish getting their high

nope. that wouldnt work. because if you didnt want to quit (and lets face it, every junkie does) but if you didnt then yousd go to the dodgy dealers and get the fucked up stuff with the dodgy needles.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/14/03 02:03 PM, panik wrote: cant write much I have an appointment with my drug deal....umm...doctor.

i think that was quite possibly the funniest and most origional thingn anyone has said in all 4 politics forums i have posted this in. </sarcasm>