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At 12/27/06 09:31 AM, Draconias wrote:

Don't be a fool; all medication has usage limits, just like alcohol where a little bit is fine but too much is bad. If you abuse medications, you are breaking the law. If you use only the recommended dosages, you can't become addicted and you are operating within the law.

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; you are incorrect, there are many pain killers that by taking the perscribed amounts you get addicted and have to be weaned off them. Esp. morphine as used in a hospital it controls/deadens pain & as you get better you are given smaller doses(weaned)

Notice also how most medications require a need first before a doctor will prescribe it to you-- no recreational medications.

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; one of the reasons many people with cronic pain here in Canada are prescribed Marijuanna, it is not addictive. does not cause many of the side effects of other pain killing drugs (taken long term all of them cause damage to internal organs, mainly the liver, kidney's) & like a friend of mine who has a license to legally posess marijuana it may not take away his pain, but after smoking it he doesn't feel it as intensely , he no longer pisses blood(from the old pain medications) & he gets hungry so he eats which he wasn't doing on the old pain relievers.

Marijuana is illegal because it is not like alcohol or medications. It has no positive purpose, it only has one state, it is a smoked substance, and it makes you high. It's illegal because it has the wrong traits.

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it is illegal because it was a part of the Hemp family & Randolph Hearst wasn't about to let the discovery of better cheaper paper made out of Hemp, take away all the millions he stood to make by turning his vast forest holdings into wood pulp paper.
So he started a campagne,
He was already rich & used his financial clout to pay off the government of the day (surprise, surprise) & he used his newspapers to falsely highlight the 'Terrible Crimes' of smoking Marijuanna.
A lie that is perpetuated to this day.
Grouping Marijuanna in with heroin,crack, coke, & chrystal meth... anyone with even the smallest amount of actual Knowledge of any of the above mentioned substances knows that weed does not belong in any catagory with the other "DRUGS".
In closing
Why not just decriminalize weed, make the same rules for it that is in place for alcohol.
don't give it to kids
don't drive/operate machinery
Stop turning regular folks into criminals/prisoners for no other crime except they smoked a joint!

ok... hummm... here i hear many stupid thing... prove of people misunderstanding and that the propaganda bullshit telled by media do rage in usa too lol...

first... im not a big smoker but i like to ligth me a little blunt sometime with a couple of friend especially when i do snowboard at nigth... maybe 1 time every two weeks or maybe a little bit more, depend.

second i never feel any bad effect caused by marijuana smoking, and for those who think that smoking marijuana is more dangerous for the lung cause its = 3 cigaret for one spliff.
SORRY BUT ARE YOU DUMMMIE HOW CAN 3 BLUNT A MONTH (WICH EQUAL 9 CIGARET) COULD BE WORSER THAN 24 CIGARET A DAY!!!!!!!! thats one pack a day and thats wath te majority of smocker smoke... anyway the majority that i know...

third im not stupid ,i never go in school stoned, i never smoke before an exam, i have good grade, lot of friend, do snowboard, skateboard, soccer, hockey and i dont smoke everyday, i even already know what i wanna do when ill be an adult. ill teach philosophy in a good university or a college.

the thing is that i just wana live my life, and do not regret any moment of my teenager year cause i will have been to scared,

forth i dont think that everybody that was living in 60ty and 70ty are stupid and dont tell me that in 70ty the pot was lower in thc so he is more dangerous now... sorry but they ad just to smoke more to get as stone as me when i smoke a little blunt.

as the great Socrate was telling "all that i know is that i know nothing"
this is just perfect for you even if its not the context that Socrate was really telling it lol...
you cant talk of something if you dont try it yourself, and you cannot talk of something beffore behing that you have all argument to talk about it... otherwise you are an ignorant...

hoo and sorry if my english is not perfect, i come from canada in montreal so my first language is french.

I have no idea where you got the idea that marijuana contains three times the amount of toxics a cigarette has. It's 7 times. Assuming you smoke a 2 regular joints a day, the amount of damage would be equal to 14 cigarettes a day.

I remember this one time where I did eight in two hours time.

That means I smoked 56 cigarettes in two hours time.

And I'm not even a smoker.

sorry but i dont know were you found YOUR source but every time you smoke a spliff its 3 or 4 cigaret depending on the amount of weed you smoke... and that according to a serious site

go on if you want its really interesting.

the site of the bloc pot
its a gouvernemental site for the legalisation of the marijuana you cant have more serious then that

TAKE THAT IN YOUR PIPE HEHE...

know that i never talk when im not sure of wath i tell

hehe

amically yours

-poussin_atomik

At 12/27/06 09:31 AM, Draconias wrote: stuff

no specific statements were made by the poster i responded too. all he said is that it makes your "high" which could be taken as any mind altering effect which all the products i listed had. you specified what each product and drug was considered but they all have a certain effect both on the mind and on the body however minimal, keeping what i said valid and relevant.

At 12/27/06 05:15 PM, SolInvictus wrote: keeping what i said valid and relevant.

Regardless of what minor point you were addressing, you logic is wrong. There is a distinct, unignorable difference between each of those substances. Tobacco is nowhere near mind-altering, nor is caffeine, they are simply stimulants. Alcohol can be considered effectively mind-altering at high levels, but it is really only a depressant. Marijuana is a stragiht up mind-altering drug.

Well with all honesty pot being legal is a better thing than haveing whiskey are beer legal and even though it is illegal its not stopping us from buying it. I have fears that if it was legalized it would rise the "illegal" drug sales because if more people are smokeing downers they well want "uppers" to follow them up. Meth is on the rise with out it being legal but then again it might just be paranoia.

At 12/27/06 09:31 AM, Draconias wrote:

Logic? You call that logic? Caffeine is a stimulant-- it makes you more active, not a strung-out washout. I disapprove of it personally, but it is in no way similar to marijuana and actually serves a positive purpose in our country.

But arresting millions of people for not harming anyone DOES serve a positive purpose? It's been proven countless times that the war on drugs has not even put a dent in drug use, why continue ruining otherwise productive and harmless lives?

and forget things like prozac and other medication, we certainly can't have people feeling anything.

Don't be a fool; all medication has usage limits, just like alcohol where a little bit is fine but too much is bad. If you abuse medications, you are breaking the law.

There is no law against abusing medication. It's not good, but there's no law against it. Don't make up shit. And there's a difference between recreational use and ABUSE.

If you use only the recommended dosages, you can't become addicted and you are operating within the law.

You can't become physically addicted to marijuana or harmed in the long term, unlike many perscription drugs.

Notice also how most medications require a need first before a doctor will prescribe it to you-- no recreational medications.

Marijuana is illegal because it is not like alcohol or medications. It has no positive purpose, it only has one state, it is a smoked substance, and it makes you high. It's illegal because it has the wrong traits.

Except for the fact that the vast majority of DOCTORS (not politicians, DOCTORS) support the legalization of cannabis for medicinal purposes.

You're very uninformed, and It makes me nervous that anyone (especially people like you) can just say anything that sounds like it makes sence and ruin people's lives.

Simply put:

Marijuana should be decriminalized because it is fucking stupid to ruin otherwise productive lives for no other reason than using a substance that is significantly less harmful than the vast majority of legal substances.

At 12/28/06 11:26 AM, Draconias wrote: Regardless of what minor point you were addressing, you logic is wrong. There is a distinct, unignorable difference between each of those substances.

though that is true, no specifications as to what effects marijuana had on the mind other than it gets you "high" were. so if we base are selves simply on "it affects your mind" well then all those other things do as well even if it is in a very limited way.

At 12/28/06 06:00 PM, packow wrote: But arresting millions of people for not harming anyone DOES serve a positive purpose? It's been proven countless times that the war on drugs has not even put a dent in drug use, why continue ruining otherwise productive and harmless lives?

And when did I ever say I supported the "War on Drugs"? I think it is a poorly managed, pathetic waste of money that would be much better used the in the NASA budget. But I don't support any positive legislative actions towards marijuana, either-- at most, it is a neutral thing, an issue to mostly ignore, but not something that should be legalized.

There is no law against abusing medication. It's not good, but there's no law against it. Don't make up shit. And there's a difference between recreational use and ABUSE.

Yes, actually, there is a law against abusing medication. Just as there is a law against obtaining perscription-only medications without a perscription.

Recreational use is abuse for virtually all drugs-- marijuana included, alcohol not except for binge drinking and parties.

You can't become physically addicted to marijuana or harmed in the long term, unlike many perscription drugs.

That's a lie. You can become addicted, and be harmed, regardless of how propagandists paint it. I've seen it happen first hand for both marijuana and perscription medications.

Except for the fact that the vast majority of DOCTORS (not politicians, DOCTORS) support the legalization of cannabis for medicinal purposes.

Only in California, bud. Also, "medicinal purposes" is far different than recreational use, the real goal of pro-Marijuana activists. We can't ignore that "medical purposes" is only a stepping stone to a later legalization in this argument.

You're very uninformed, and It makes me nervous that anyone (especially people like you) can just say anything that sounds like it makes sence and ruin people's lives.

Ruin whose life? The people stupid enough to start smoking marijuana? No one forced them to do it, and according to you, nothing is stopping them from doing it. If they get screwed over by their own decisions, they hurt themselves-- and if they're not hurting anyone else by what they do, didn't you say we should leave them alone?

At 12/28/06 11:21 PM, Draconias wrote:

There is no law against abusing medication. It's not good, but there's no law against it. Don't make up shit. And there's a difference between recreational use and ABUSE.

Yes, actually, there is a law against abusing medication. Just as there is a law against obtaining perscription-only medications without a perscription.

You will not be arrested for taking too much of your own medication... It would not be good for you, it could very possibly kill you, and doctors would have every reason to not give you a refill if you down the bottle in a day or two... But police will not arrest you for it.

Recreational use is abuse for virtually all drugs-- marijuana included, alcohol not except for binge drinking and parties.

So why is alcohol so different from marijuana? What about nicotine? Where's the line between "use" and "abuse?" Is it just because one is legal and one isn't?

You're saying that one hit of a joint is "abuse." What makes it different from a drag of a cigarette or a shot of vodka?

You can't become physically addicted to marijuana or harmed in the long term, unlike many perscription drugs.

That's a lie. You can become addicted, and be harmed, regardless of how propagandists paint it. I've seen it happen first hand for both marijuana and perscription medications.

You can become mentally and physically addicted to perscription drugs. They can also severly harm you. But there is NO CASE IN HISTORY of physical addiction of marijuana. There is mental addiction. In fact, my mother was a severe marijuana addict. It was a strong mental thing. I told her that I did it and she said that she believed there was a difference between responsible use and abuse, and that there was no physical withdrawal symptoms from marijuana.

And any "harm" from marijuana is completely subjective.

Mental harm from marijuana is non existant, unless you happen to have an active schizophrenic gene. It doesn't make people lazy- lazy people start doing it all the time and neglect important aspects of their life. Other people use responsibly and don't damage their lives.

Researchers at Harvard also found NO DIFFERENCE in the brains of heavy users and non-users. They DID, however, find major differences in brains of heavy cocaine users.

The only "harm" comes from johnny law.

Except for the fact that the vast majority of DOCTORS (not politicians, DOCTORS) support the legalization of cannabis for medicinal purposes.

Only in California, bud.

Uh, actually, all of the United States...

Do you think that Doctors in California are inferior to Doctors in other states?

Also, "medicinal purposes" is far different than recreational use, the real goal of pro-Marijuana activists. We can't ignore that "medical purposes" is only a stepping stone to a later legalization in this argument.

Just because you got made fun of in school for being too much of a pussy to try it is no reason to start bashing those who do. There is nothing wrong with recreational use, because THERE ARE NO LONG TERM EFFECTS.

The only reason I could EVER sympathize with on the issue is the argument that being high on anything, including nicotine and alcohol, is immoral.

Don't insist that it's all a intricate plot to legalize (GASP!) the smoking of a relatively harmless plant. Tell that to the 60 year old patients in California (some of which need it to live, don't argue it before you actually research it, because I KNOW you'll start bitching that "NO ONE NEEDS WEED TO LIVE." Well, that's not true. Try looking it up) who are getting arrested.

You're very uninformed, and It makes me nervous that anyone (especially people like you) can just say anything that sounds like it makes sence and ruin people's lives.

Ruin whose life? The people stupid enough to start smoking marijuana?

People who are stupid enough? You're the only stupid one here. Practically all of the United States' founding fathers were regular hash smokers, and so were many of the smartest historical figures. Just because you've only met lazy stoners doesn't mean everyone is like that. By that logic, I could assume that all black people are violent theives.

; No one forced them to do it, and according to you, nothing is stopping them from doing it. If they get screwed over by their own decisions, they hurt themselves-- and if they're not hurting anyone else by what they do, didn't you say we should leave them alone?

Because it's people like you who influence legislation designed to ruin the lives of peaceful, otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Also, it's people like you who treat crack addicts and other hard drug addicts as criminals rather than victims, and send them to jail rather than get them help.

I personally believe that marijuana should be completely legalized and the billions of dollars saved should be used to finance rehab programs for real drug addicts.

At 12/29/06 01:50 AM, packow wrote: It doesn't make people lazy- lazy people start doing it all the time and neglect important aspects of their life. Just because you've only met lazy stoners doesn't mean everyone is like that. By that logic, I could assume that all black people are violent theives.

Well said.

Draconias seems to revel in perpetuating this negative stereotype. Attacking something based on myth or misinformation, or faulting something based only on worse case examples, or denying the majority because of the behaviour of a small minority, that there is the crux of what's wrong with the world today imho.

But hey, why should he have all the fun?

ALL politicians are biased, and paranoid about losing their jobs, and considering stoners don't vote, well they get what they deserve - nothing!
ALL police love the extra attention and funding that busting a few hippies brings.
ALL lawyers are keen to get a slice of that action too.
In fact, ALL authority figures have jobs that rely on taxes and people who smoke free weed don't much support the tax system.
Not to mention, ALL authority figures can easily afford alcohol every day of the week!

No, ALL stoners should get jobs, drive cars, pay taxes, and vote, and support whatever war is happening, and the whole world should follow. Can't go wrong!

At 12/22/06 01:42 PM, BanditByte wrote: Well, those are my criteria for lighting up a blunt.
Discuss

Your sig is very ironic, all things considered.

At 12/30/06 02:02 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 12/22/06 01:42 PM, BanditByte wrote: Well, those are my criteria for lighting up a blunt.
Discuss

Your sig is very ironic, all things considered.

well said good man.

At 12/22/06 01:42 PM, BanditByte wrote:

1#. If you smoke you cannot have kids. I am not joking, pot tends to cause genetic defects from prolonged use. If you smoke you confine it to yourself and not ruin the genepool.

Maybe we should back away from eugenics, remember, that's what the Nazis loved. (Godwin's law has been fulfilled)

Anyways, I don't see the problem with smoking pot after the kids are born.

pretty good idea but how about for rule #1 you could say that you cant smoke it if your pregnant?

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists." -Richard Nixon

At 1/12/07 07:22 PM, DonKnottsismetal wrote: pretty good idea but how about for rule #1 you could say that you cant smoke it if your pregnant?

We don't have a law against drinking and smoking cigarettes while you are pregnant, which causes significantly more damage to the fetus than marijuana.

At 1/20/07 02:38 AM, packow wrote:

At 1/12/07 07:22 PM, DonKnottsismetal wrote: pretty good idea but how about for rule #1 you could say that you cant smoke it if your pregnant?

We don't have a law against drinking and smoking cigarettes while you are pregnant, which causes significantly more damage to the fetus than marijuana.

Yep, they even have a name for it: FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME. Cant get much clearer than that.

This is a frigg'n joke! Show us even 1 gene defect caused by prolonged marijuana use, and we'll show you 1000 retardations caused by alcohol consumption.

At 1/20/07 03:17 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

At 1/20/07 02:38 AM, packow wrote:

At 1/12/07 07:22 PM, DonKnottsismetal wrote: pretty good idea but how about for rule #1 you could say that you cant smoke it if your pregnant?

We don't have a law against drinking and smoking cigarettes while you are pregnant, which causes significantly more damage to the fetus than marijuana.

Yep, they even have a name for it: FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME. Cant get much clearer than that.

This is a frigg'n joke! Show us even 1 gene defect caused by prolonged marijuana use, and we'll show you 1000 retardations caused by alcohol consumption.

It is highly contested as to whether a defect exists at all. If one does exist, it has very little impact on the fetus. But denying all gene defects based on current evidence would not be truthful.

We know for sure, though, that marijuana can hurt male fertility slightly. It won't make a normal, healthy male sterile, but it can make a person with weak sperm become sterile. It doesn't kill sperm, it makes them swim in irregular patterns that can hurt their ability to penatrate the egg. The effect is not permanent, but it exists. If you're trying to have a child, lay off the weed for a few weeks.

At 1/20/07 03:34 AM, packow wrote:

At 1/20/07 03:17 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Yep, they even have a name for it: FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME. Cant get much clearer than that.

It is highly contested as to whether a defect exists at all. If one does exist, it has very little impact on the fetus. But denying all gene defects based on current evidence would not be truthful.

We know for sure, though, that marijuana can hurt male fertility slightly. It won't make a normal, healthy male sterile, but it can make a person with weak sperm become sterile. It doesn't kill sperm, it makes them swim in irregular patterns that can hurt their ability to penatrate the egg. The effect is not permanent, but it exists. If you're trying to have a child, lay off the weed for a few weeks.

Okay... are we talking about sperm count or fetal effects? Doing drugs while you are pregnant is just dumb. Thou i hadn't heard any side-effects of smoking, except perhaps sperm count, which could just be hormones or oxygen related, kuz tobacco and alcohol have the similar effect. The issue raised is about "genetic defects..

1#. I am not joking, pot tends to cause genetic defects from prolonged use.

..from prolonged use" ~ which is a bit vague. The point here is that there are no known gene defects caused by weed.. ie. "Show us the evidence!"

At 12/22/06 11:32 PM, Dash-Underscore-Dash wrote: I'm sorry, but making hippies happy is just too much of a price to pay.

stfu, you stupid n00b

Marijuanas "problems" are easily fixable. Our government should simply use some of the rediculous amount of land they own to grow marijuana so that they can regulate and sell it, removing any impurities and if it was well green housed it could be monitored and well taken care of in a pestiside free environment, and with it being legal there'd be a reduction of teen and others smoking it simply because it is legal. Our government could benefit via money and reduction and marijuana produces more oxygen than most other plants. Also tall buildings should have a mandatory solar panel set up, cars and plains should have alternator powered air filters to filter the impure air around them as they move. We should float plastic domes over the bermuda triangle to gather natural gas. More recycled rubber should go into roads to increase crack prevention and their should be a government offered allowance thats easier to attain when "greening" up your home, and my dad should be able to grow morning glories!And juicy juice shouldnt be offered by WIC it has to much sugar and not enough juice! And Clinton should run for a third non-consequtive because he's good for the economy!

At 1/20/07 07:54 AM, Dealy-rizazamatizazz wrote: Lotsa interesting stuff..

You'll make a great inventer : )