Question about flash

[MaX-O-NaTeR]

I was just wondering, I have been making animations for about a year now and I was wondering if everyone thinks FLASH is the best animator to use. I used something difrent with all my othere animations and I was thinking about downloading flash. I wanted to get all of your opinions first. Thanks! Here is an example of one of my smaller animations.

[Norwegianbeast]

that is a choppy as hell gif, from the looks of it. use flash, there is nothing anywhere near as good.

[Nicholas-Deary]

Okay, but you have to buy Flash, although you can download a free trial for a month. Anyway, yeah I think Flash is really good.

[Maxxor]

At 12/22/06 11:05 AM, MaX-O-NaTeR wrote: I was just wondering, I have been making animations for about a year now and I was wondering if everyone thinks FLASH is the best animator to use.

Well, I defenitley think that flash is the best, on the other hand, I haven't tried anything else.
But yeah, flash is a really good program for creating 2D animations (And other things).

[MaX-O-NaTeR]

I know I know it is crappy. but how much is flash?

[Norwegianbeast]

flash is 700 dollers, although a student license is 250. and to maxxor, flash can easily make 3D animation and games too.

[MaX-O-NaTeR]

At 12/22/06 11:14 AM, Norwegianbeast wrote: flash is 700 dollers, although a student license is 250. and to maxxor, flash can easily make 3D animation and games too.

700 bucks! You have got to be kidding!

[Maxxor]

At 12/22/06 11:14 AM, Norwegianbeast wrote: flash is 700 dollers, although a student license is 250. and to maxxor, flash can easily make 3D animation and games too.

Um, that's why I wrote "and other things too" but he was asking about animation, not games.
And I don't think it would be entirely right to say that you create 3D animations in flash, sure you can import swift3D-thingys and stuff, but you can't model or anything like that in flash.

[Norwegianbeast]

actually you can model 3D in flash. obviously you dont know much about flash's advanced options.

and im afraid im not kidding. your not going to get flash ( legally of course ) for less then 200.

[Maxxor]

At 12/22/06 11:23 AM, Norwegianbeast wrote: actually you can model 3D in flash. obviously you dont know much about flash's advanced options.

Lol, You can't model in flash. You can create psuedo3D stuff and alike, but no proper modeling as in a 3D program. And Flash is really not the #1 choice if you want to create 3D animations. End of story.

[MrcredsAlex]

At 12/22/06 11:05 AM, MaX-O-NaTeR wrote: I was just wondering, I have been making animations for about a year now and I was wondering if everyone thinks FLASH is the best animator to use. I used something difrent with all my othere animations and I was thinking about downloading flash. I wanted to get all of your opinions first. Thanks! Here is an example of one of my smaller animations.

Flash.

[GustTheASGuy]

At 12/22/06 11:23 AM, Norwegianbeast wrote: actually you can model 3D in flash.

No, Flash development is strictly 2d.

obviously you dont know much about flash's advanced options.

Aww, look at the little shit talking.

and im afraid im not kidding.

You're just a stupid kid.

your not going to get flash ( legally of course ) for less then 200.

Expression type mismatch. There is an infinite number of ways to get Flash for a cheaper price. Yesterday I noticed a computer shop was distributing MX04 for $150 (not that anyone buys it here).

[Norwegianbeast]

At 12/22/06 12:32 PM, OldGust wrote:

At 12/22/06 11:23 AM, Norwegianbeast wrote: actually you can model 3D in flash.

No, Flash development is strictly 2d.

obviously you dont know much about flash's advanced options.

Aww, look at the little shit talking.

and im afraid im not kidding.

You're just a stupid kid.

your not going to get flash ( legally of course ) for less then 200.

Expression type mismatch. There is an infinite number of ways to get Flash for a cheaper price. Yesterday I noticed a computer shop was distributing MX04 for $150 (not that anyone buys it here).

i meant flash 8 first of all. second of all, using photoshop and flash together you can model in 3D. if you dont understand that then your the little shit. and last, flaming me was uncalled for and served no purpose other then to make you look like an ass. i strongly suggest you stop typing on this forum now.

thanks.

[Nicholas-Deary]

Flash is worth the money!

[Skandoliz]

where do you get the free trial from?

[NewShape]

Fireworks is better for YTMND sir.

[Norwegianbeast]

At 12/22/06 02:47 PM, GregThorne wrote: Fireworks is better for YTMND sir.

YTMND is a community of 5 year olds.

[Re2deemer]

At 12/22/06 12:53 PM, Norwegianbeast wrote: using photoshop and flash together you can model in 3D.

Really, really not.
You CAN NOT model anything in Flash. You can import swift 3D animations as .fla-s or you can import 3D animations from another program as .avi or another movie format.
BUT YOU CAN'T MODEL ANYTHING IN FLASH. Sure, you can create 3D effect ("Future") and you can acutally create 3D stuff with Actionscript (though it's a pain in the ass and CPU consuming).

[DingoEatingFuzz]

3D programs use a system of infinite reference points to create a pseudo three dimensional enviornment. By doing so, you can move the camera and model along an imaginary z-axis. Programs such as Maya, 3DS Max, Rhino, AutoCAD, etc, etc use this system. Flash is not a 3D modelling software. It uses a fixed camera and has no third axis.

Through actionscript you can create a third axis and you can plot coordinates and model shapes in 3D space, but it is entirely different. You can't see the objects being created without exporting. Flash is not 3D software, end of story.

[Norwegianbeast]

At 12/22/06 02:55 PM, Re2deemer wrote: Really, really not.
You CAN NOT model anything in Flash. . Sure, you can create 3D effect ("Future") and you can acutally create 3D stuff with Actionscript (though it's a pain in the ass and CPU consuming).

actually you can. i do it all the time. fucking idiots. and since it seems none of you have the brain power to grasp this, ill tell you step by step how to fucking do it.

lets start simple. say you have a polygon you want to model in 3D. you open up photoshop and draw the polygon. when your done with that, you open up another blank doc and draw the polygon from another angle. you do this until you cover every angle you need, adding shawod effects as needed, and then you save then all and close photoshop. ( you can also do this right in flash to save file size )

after that, you upload all the images you made into your flash library, but first make em all seperate movieclips. Or, if you drew em in flash, just convert them to movieclips and pop em into your library. once thats done, say you want to animate that polygon to make it look like its rotating. then you make the right number of frames you want on the main timeline, and just put the mc with the right angle on it into the right order on the frames, tweaking as needed.

this is of course very time-consuming, very cpu intensive, and requires alot of mental math to get it right, but it requires no knowledge of AS, and looks fucking good if you if you do it right. this can also be combined with different depths and a simulated Z axis in flash to create fully 3D games as well. the above example is very simple, but the technique is the same, and the possibilities are as numerous as you can think of, and them some.

now none of you can say anything about this subject anymore. i clearly know more about it then you do.

happy now people???

[NewShape]

At 12/22/06 02:52 PM, Norwegianbeast wrote:

At 12/22/06 02:47 PM, GregThorne wrote: Fireworks is better for YTMND sir.

YTMND is a community of 5 year olds.

yeah, and I was suggesting that he submits there and not newgrounds.

[Norwegianbeast]

nice two day old bump, fucktard.

[NextToNothing]

some people argue toonboom is comprable,

i don't really think so but the version is cheaper if your going to buy it,
used in conjunction with eachother its nice, i like the 3d stage in toonboom for backgrounds, helps with perspective

also lipsyncing in toonboom is easier

but for animation i believe flash is better

[Norwegianbeast]

At 12/24/06 03:12 PM, Next2NothingFilms wrote: some people argue toonboom is comprable,

i don't really think so but the version is cheaper if your going to buy it,
used in conjunction with eachother its nice, i like the 3d stage in toonboom for backgrounds, helps with perspective

also lipsyncing in toonboom is easier

but for animation i believe flash is better

whoopdie fucking doo. your 3 days late here. shut up and stop posting.

[MRat]

I love you NorweiganBeast, no one makes an ass out of himself better than you.