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i'm surprised that nobody who's been defending the PLO and shit doesn't see the hypocrisy in their condemnation of israel

At 12/21/06 06:13 PM, emmytee wrote: Basically, Isrealies can't shoot for shit. Thats why they hate you. Your army either sucks real bad or is aiming for innocent people. They get credible intelligence, they order a precision strike, confirm the target etc and BAM! ...school bus. After lebanon though, I might actually buy the former.

Israeli soldier never purposely hit a innocent even arrbaian person.
even if arrabian civilian throwing at our sodiers stones and stuff (and they doing it) , Israeli solder have an order to not hurt in any way civilians, an Israeli soldier just move away and that all.

At 12/21/06 08:07 PM, bcdemon wrote: You are absolutely correct, an Israeli soldier would never harm a Palestinian child.

Siii-iilent Niiight... Hooo-ooly Niiight...

Chiiiild get killed... Buuuullets filled...

Killing the child with an riiifle in haaand...

Killing the child for your hoooome laaand...

She's sleeping in heavenly peeeeeeeaaaaaace...

Sleeping in heavenly peeeeeeeaaaaaace...

At 12/22/06 10:25 AM, Xyklon-B wrote: *sniff* That was beautiful, man.

You really should check out this beloved tune.

Lol! That one was good! :D

Stupid nazis, you have nothing to answer cose you know you wrong, but you to stupid to agree with yourself, so you begining "yelling" like kids.

God damn these israel threads. There should be an official one, no wait not a topic AN ENTIRE FUCKING FORUM!

At 12/22/06 03:07 PM, Kiril-Tupitsin wrote: Stupid nazis, you have nothing to answer cose you know you wrong, but you to stupid to agree with yourself, so you begining "yelling" like kids.

Ok, so now that we protest against one NATION, we're antisemitic.

I am NOT antisemitic, for the love of god, no. I don't wanna burn jews, slay jews, gas jews to death etc. I'm just against the STATE and the GOVERNMENT for invading Gaza, thus killing thousands of civilians, including childrens for NOTHING.

And if you refer to that nazi song, i just thought that was a funny cover, i do not support it in any possible way.

At 12/22/06 05:44 AM, Kiril-Tupitsin wrote:

Israeli soldier never purposely hit a innocent even arrbaian person.
even if arrabian civilian throwing at our sodiers stones and stuff (and they doing it) , Israeli solder have an order to not hurt in any way civilians, an Israeli soldier just move away and that all.

Like that british reporter? Those soldiers were out their faces on coke and out shooting people for fun. Or the UN observer post? Or the civilians you killed in lebanon, or the family on the beach that was hit by artillery. Like I said, either you have a terrible army that can't shoot for shit, or they are trying to kill innocent people. When an Israeli general orders an airstrike on a civilian area, he either knows taht innocent people will die or he, along with the pilots that fly the mission, is stupid on a whole new level.

Only liberals dislike Israel. Why? Because they need a hobby. People are getting sick of them blaming Bush for everything, so they needed to complain elsewhere.

At 12/22/06 03:39 PM, Denta wrote: Ok, so now that we protest against one NATION, we're antisemitic.

No, that is not why you seem anti-Semitic. Plenty of people here have criticized Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism.

I am NOT antisemitic, for the love of god, no. I don't wanna burn jews, slay jews, gas jews to death etc. I'm just against the STATE and the GOVERNMENT for invading Gaza, thus killing thousands of civilians, including childrens for NOTHING.

If NOTHING=retrieving a captured soldier and attempting to stem terror by not not reacting to terrorism, then ok.

And if you refer to that nazi song, i just thought that was a funny cover, i do not support it in any possible way.

You honestly believe it wasn’t meant in an anti-Semitic fashion…..? The main page of that site opens with “Welcome Aryan Men and Women to the web site created by
and for our race.” Xyklon-B, who linked to it, is an open Holocaust denier. You seem anti-Semitic not because you criticize Israel (even I don’t think it’s perfect) but because of your acceptance of that Nazi song combined with said criticism.

At 12/22/06 03:55 PM, emmytee wrote: Like that british reporter? Those soldiers were out their faces on coke and out shooting people for fun. Or the UN observer post? Or the civilians you killed in Lebanon

When a civilian is sitting in a house on top of which is a missile launcher, or strolling through an area hours after getting warning leaflets, should Israel not fire?

When an Israeli general orders an airstrike on a civilian area, he either knows taht innocent people will die or he, along with the pilots that fly the mission, is stupid on a whole new level.

Tell me this then. Rockets are being launched from on top of a civilian home. You are the Israeli army, what do you do? Not attack, giving the terrorist immunity? Those “civilian areas” are turned into battlefields before Israel fires a missile.

At 12/22/06 03:55 PM, emmytee wrote:

At 12/22/06 05:44 AM, Kiril-Tupitsin wrote:

Israeli soldier never purposely hit a innocent even arrbaian person.
even if arrabian civilian throwing at our sodiers stones and stuff (and they doing it) , Israeli solder have an order to not hurt in any way civilians, an Israeli soldier just move away and that all.

Like that british reporter? Those soldiers were out their faces on coke and out shooting people for fun. Or the UN observer post? Or the civilians you killed in lebanon, or the family on the beach that was hit by artillery. Like I said, either you have a terrible army that can't shoot for shit, or they are trying to kill innocent people. When an Israeli general orders an airstrike on a civilian area, he either knows taht innocent people will die or he, along with the pilots that fly the mission, is stupid on a whole new level.

Jesus FUCK you know absolutely nothing.

ok...

1. Israeli drug laws are so strict that people can barely even get marijuana there. Soldiers in the Israeli army who use coke are quickly discovered and punished.
2. It's impossible to NOT hit civilians when terrorists use them as human sheilds.

At 12/23/06 02:06 PM, packow wrote: 2. It's impossible to NOT hit civilians when terrorists use them as human sheilds.

So that makes it ok to bomb schools and hospitals and residential areas because an enemy might be there. Good thinking.

1:100 That's the ratio I think they're going for. 1 terrorist for every 100 civilians killed. It's great to know that civilians are worth 1/100th of a terrorist.

So I have a question to the anti-Israel nation:

What do you do with terrorists who use civilians to attack their nation?
How do you combat an enemy who won't go into open combat, and who uses guerrilla tactics to try to destroy your nation?

At 12/23/06 06:32 PM, qygibo wrote: So I have a question to the anti-Israel nation:

What do you do with terrorists who use civilians to attack their nation?
How do you combat an enemy who won't go into open combat, and who uses guerrilla tactics to try to destroy your nation?

You act as if any of the attacks are acctually hurting Israel. It's like an ant throwing grains of sand at a human. For the human to go smashing every ant he sees because of threw a miniscule rock at him is inhumane. Hell, it's almost Israeli.

Israel is supposed to be a beacon of light for the region. it's supposed to be the rational grown up country. Yet it blows up civilians with a very weak claim that the terrorists hiode behind civilians. If Israel was the country it cracked itself up to be, it would grow some testicles and either get the terrorists without mindlessly bombing the entire middle east, or stand there and take it like a man. When a little kid pokes you your pops doesn't say beat up the entire first grade class, he tells you to quit your goddamn whining and take it like a man. I think Israel just needs some damn parenting. It's acting like a toddler.

what the fuck, grains of sand? you fucking jackass

At 12/23/06 05:41 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 12/23/06 02:06 PM, packow wrote: 2. It's impossible to NOT hit civilians when terrorists use them as human sheilds.

So that makes it ok to bomb schools and hospitals and residential areas because an enemy might be there. Good thinking.

What about when they ARE there? Terrorists are there, or maybe the rockets are just shooting themselves. Maybe the guns are just floating in the air shooting at the Israeli soldiers, eh?

At 12/23/06 07:32 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Israel is supposed to be a beacon of light for the region. it's supposed to be the rational grown up country. Yet it blows up civilians with a very weak claim that the terrorists hiode behind civilians. If Israel was the country it cracked itself up to be, it would grow some testicles and either get the terrorists without mindlessly bombing the entire middle east, or stand there and take it like a man. When a little kid pokes you your pops doesn't say beat up the entire first grade class, he tells you to quit your goddamn whining and take it like a man. I think Israel just needs some damn parenting.

I never thought you would say it, but you propose that Israel just not respond, ever, to a terrorist attack because it doesn't hurt it. Let me first point out that Israel does, in fact, take some attacks without responding, i.e. the rockets fired into Israel since the cease-fire with Hamas. Let me also point out, however, that if Israel did not respond to terrorist attacks, the attacks would only increase.

As for getting the terrorists without getting the civilian, if you know of a way, I assure you Israel would love to hear it.

At 12/20/06 04:51 PM, Kiril-Tupitsin wrote: like 20 years ago, I dont remember exactly, when Iran allmost created an atomic bomb, and the whole war was in danger and fear because of it, who the one who solved the problem?
Israel, sent 2 aircrafts to destroy the factory, and everybody said how bad Israel is, but deep inside, im sure, they was thankfull for saving them from this risc, and now, when Iran making more Oranium, and about to create an atomic bomb, and the whole world under danger, again, who gonna help us now?

A few corrections here:

The Israelis did not strike at Iran since that country was (and I believe still is) outside of the range of IDF fighters. What you are referring to is a 1981 attack by the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) consisting of 8 American made F-16 strike aircraft and 6 American made F-15 fighters flying escort. However, this was not done without American approval and support and so the IDF did not do this alone. The attack was carried out against the Osirak nuclear facility.

In 1980 just after the start of the Iran-Iraq war, Iran attacked the facility with little effect before the sucessful Israeli strike.

1991 the US launched what would be the final and most devestating strike on the facility.

At 12/23/06 07:32 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 12/23/06 06:32 PM, qygibo wrote: So I have a question to the anti-Israel nation:

What do you do with terrorists who use civilians to attack their nation?
How do you combat an enemy who won't go into open combat, and who uses guerrilla tactics to try to destroy your nation?

You act as if any of the attacks are acctually hurting Israel. It's like an ant throwing grains of sand at a human. For the human to go smashing every ant he sees because of threw a miniscule rock at him is inhumane. Hell, it's almost Israeli.

Israel is supposed to be a beacon of light for the region. it's supposed to be the rational grown up country. Yet it blows up civilians with a very weak claim that the terrorists hiode behind civilians. If Israel was the country it cracked itself up to be, it would grow some testicles and either get the terrorists without mindlessly bombing the entire middle east, or stand there and take it like a man. When a little kid pokes you your pops doesn't say beat up the entire first grade class, he tells you to quit your goddamn whining and take it like a man. I think Israel just needs some damn parenting. It's acting like a toddler.

I'm not going to be blindly patriotic. I'll admit it when I think you have a point.

See, alot of people will say "WELL ISRAEL SHOULDNT DEFEND ITSELF BECAUSE THEY SHOULD GIVE BACK THE LAND THAT THEY STOLED!!!111one"

But you actually have a point. I'm not going to argue it. I won't say you're right, but I do see that you have a valid point. I think that people would need to actually go to the country and scope out the situation for themselves to make a valid decision as to how much of an effect the terrorist attacks have.

But as of now, there is not a single person in Israel who does not know someone who died in a terrorist attack.

BAM!

If someone shipped a load of outsiders smack in the middle of my land, I'd be pissed too.

Israel is a false state that should not exist.

At 12/25/06 03:50 AM, Ubermensch-1 wrote: If someone shipped a load of outsiders smack in the middle of my land, I'd be pissed too.

Even if you had plenty of land (The ME is pretty damn big), you'd still be pissed just because they're outsiders? Isn't that racism?

Israel is a false state that should not exist.

But it does. Live with it.

At 12/25/06 04:04 AM, mynamewontfitin wrote:

At 12/25/06 03:50 AM, Ubermensch-1 wrote:

Israel is a false state that should not exist.

But it does. Live with it.

For how long? Ahmadinejad seems antsy to me as of late.

At 12/25/06 04:10 AM, Der-Ubermensch wrote:

At 12/25/06 04:04 AM, mynamewontfitin wrote:

At 12/25/06 03:50 AM, Ubermensch-1 wrote:

Israel is a false state that should not exist.

But it does. Live with it.

For how long? Ahmadinejad seems antsy to me as of late.

Well, I guess you could say for as long as the rest of us because once somebody such as Amadinnerjacket makes a move, you know he just fucked the world.

At 12/25/06 04:04 AM, mynamewontfitin wrote:

At 12/25/06 03:50 AM, Ubermensch-1 wrote: If someone shipped a load of outsiders smack in the middle of my land, I'd be pissed too.

Even if you had plenty of land (The ME is pretty damn big), you'd still be pissed just because they're outsiders? Isn't that racism?

Its the fact that the land has been taken away from the indiginous people.

Israel is a false state that should not exist.

But it does. Live with it.

I;ll live with it aslong as Israel stops its ethnic cleansing and gets rid of its ethnocracy.

At 12/25/06 04:24 PM, Neoptolemus wrote:

At 12/25/06 04:04 AM, mynamewontfitin wrote:

At 12/25/06 03:50 AM, Ubermensch-1 wrote: If someone shipped a load of outsiders smack in the middle of my land, I'd be pissed too.

Even if you had plenty of land (The ME is pretty damn big), you'd still be pissed just because they're outsiders? Isn't that racism?

Its the fact that the land has been taken away from the indiginous people.

Israel is a false state that should not exist.

But it does. Live with it.

I;ll live with it aslong as Israel stops its ethnic cleansing and gets rid of its ethnocracy.

Go to Israel, take a look at society, and you're realize that the LAW ABIDING arabs are fully integrated with full rights and respect.

Your sterotyping. You have assumed everyone but you hates whatever you understand. I do not hate any countries, I hate those who mess them up. But you have only pointed out the good things about Israel, not the bad things. Not one countrie is perfect.

Ok let's just ignore the huge piles of dead Lebanese and Palestinians who aren't connected to terrorists shall we?

An air strike on a Palestinian hospital?

Oh well there was probably a terrorist in there, good job Israel!

At 12/25/06 09:47 PM, packow wrote: Go to Israel, take a look at society, and you're realize that the LAW ABIDING arabs are fully integrated with full rights and respect.

I hope you know that non-Jews legally cannot own land. Israel is an ethnocracy in which the power is with a specific group (non-Arab Jews).

Palestinians living in the non-annexed portions of the West Bank do not have Israeli citizenship or voting rights in Israel, but are subject to the policies of the Israeli government. Israel has created roads and checkpoints in the West Bank that isolate Palestinian communities. Policies also restrict the movement of goods between Israel and the West Bank, and into the Gaza Strip. Marwan Bishara, a teacher of international relations at the American University of Paris, has described the restrictions on movement as "a defacto apartheid system"

Also, i can't forget about what Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu said when he was no a visit to the Holy Land "it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa" and that he saw "the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about"

Yes, i see alot of respect. While i do accept that Arabs who have Israeli citizenship are respected (to an extent) and have rights those that are refused citizenship eventhough their land has been annexed have no rights yet are obliged to follow what the Israeli government says otherwise they are imprisoned, shot, tortured et cetera.