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Communism does not work for the simple reason in that it is not human nature to have a government like Communism work.

Ideally everything distributed equally is fine, however history has shown that in almost every case of communism, it ends up becoming a realm of dictators. Communism results in greed by the ruler who is able to ge that much more.

When I say it's not in human nature to be communist, it's because it is human nature to be greedy. Everyone wants more than the person next to them because it leads to power, what happens is one man gets the power while the rest suffer equally.

At 12/20/06 09:28 PM, Cole wrote:
Wow. You are stupid. You know how Republics are usually based on Capitalism? Communist countries are based on Socialism!!!! The U.S. has a lot of Socialist features. Most modern countries do. Canada has a ton of Socialism.

Communism can't be based on socialism. They're both economic systems. And the U.S. doesnt have a lot of socialist features but it has some though.

Communism would be good if it combined socalism, and direct democracy (not the repisentitive shit we have). All we would ave to do is tax the people according to the amount of money they already have, then redistribute the money accordingly, its that easy.

At 1/9/07 02:00 PM, Spackerchip wrote: Its the true traits that drive people away from communism and to other less extreme ways of living.

In the context of my post, my statement meant that humans traits (in particular, "greed") are not the primary reason why Communism is unworkable. Regardless of what all those stupid cynics say, "greed" is not an important factor-- freedom of choice, independent thought, self-improvement, and dedication are important factors though, and the human traits which truly chafe against Communism the most.

If I hate living in poverty and wish to improve my life, that is not greed, but it is that desire which destroys Communism the quickest, especially as it begins to collapse due to the flaws of the system itself.

At 12/20/06 05:16 PM, BanditByte wrote:

At 12/20/06 04:34 PM, Denta wrote: Why is Communism bad?

Why are you an idiot?

A newcommer to newgrounds is entitled to know why people think that communism is bad [ and it is]

Dont be mean.

At 1/9/07 05:44 PM, madman564323 wrote: direct democracy (not the repisentitive shit we have).

Direct democracy only works in the smallest of groups, and it has the greatest flaw to ever be implemented: A true Tyranny by Majority. The 51% tell the 49% what to do regardless. If that system was implemented, I can guarantee you your socialist utopia would last less than 10 years.

At 1/9/07 01:53 PM, Spackerchip wrote: The majority of my views on communism may have already been said. But communism will not work and will never work.
Everyone is not equal. Everyone chooses who they want to be. And that may involve working harder than other people, or just being fucking better at it. Who tells them that life has to be fair?
If you were given the opportunity to work your ass off or do an easier job for the same amount of pay you'd take the easy option. Garranteed. Regardless of job satisfaction.

Every person on this planet looks out for themselves and themselves only. As a race, we a naturally greedy and the only way to re-in force our greed is too work hard. If you're not greedy, then why do you have a computer that is capable of running internet? I could use another computer to run the internet. A kid in a third world contry could benifit from the money it cost to get your computer.

As soon as our motivation to strive for success is taken away, no one would cope or do anything for that matter. And that is why Communism is a flawed.

i CAN NOT beleive this. you are telling me that Martin luther king died in vain. that he spent his whole life fighting for the EQUAL treatment of all races, and it didnt matter?

and what about math? the very computer you are useing, you dont beleive it exists? a+b=c. math is EQUALITY. and you would shun that?

Life, newton said that for every action, there is an opposite, but EQUAL action. every time you brethe in, you breathe out.

without equality, there would be nothing but chaos, hell if nothing at all.

an natruality. humans drive cars? is that natural? watch tv, natrual? humans have the abilty to shun wats natural, and greeds one of them.

i can not beleive what you said, becuase it is not true!

Life, newton said that for every action, there is an opposite, but EQUAL action. every time you brethe in, you breathe out.

without equality, there would be nothing but chaos, hell if nothing at all.

an natruality. humans drive cars? is that natural? watch tv, natrual? humans have the abilty to shun wats natural, and greeds one of them.

i can not beleive what you said, because it is not true!

This is a very good explanation!
Indeed.

I can do nothing but agree with you!

*applauds*

At 1/11/07 07:43 AM, Culpeo wrote: Stuff that made me cry

I am sure you misinterpreted him. He suggested that human being can never be equal in wealth, health, happiness, or truly anything. Only a fool believes that everyone can be made into the same person.

consider this. you work hard everyday. you get up exremely early. you hardly can sleep. your job has terrible working conditions. the guy who shovels garbage off the ground for an hour or 2 gets teh same pay as you. wanna live in comunism? also communist leaders tend to be a bit abusive and...shifty.....

Any1 can do it, we just have to figure it out. And i know that no1s figured it out so far, because people are just too stupid.

And what is your conclusion, oh Wise One?

At 1/11/07 07:43 AM, Culpeo wrote: an natruality. humans drive cars? is that natural? watch tv, natrual? humans have the abilty to shun wats natural, and greeds one of them.

Is it natural for humans to not breathe oxygen? Therefore, since we can do plenty of unnatural, things it must be possible for us to breathe nothing but carbon dioxide and survive!

No, preventing greed is not something that may be accomplished. No more than it would be possible for me to look left and right at the same time. You thinking otherwise is a testament of your own dumbshitery.

Communism = Failure

To deal with all the corrupt people within the government we have to do extenive psycolgical tests to those allready in power and to those who want to join. If you test positive for corruption, you will be killed.

Is it natural for humans to not breathe oxygen? Therefore, since we can do plenty of unnatural, things it must be possible for us to breathe nothing but carbon dioxide and survive!

What the fuck kind of logic is this? Humans can't not breathe oxygen...because we suffocate (you understand that, right?) What is natural for humans is to breath a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen, etc............

At 12/20/06 04:38 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 12/20/06 04:34 PM, Denta wrote: Why is Communism bad?

Because it does not work and is a tool of dictators. Stalin killed about 22 million of his own citizens. Mao Zedong killed millions in purges. Kim Jong-Il is responsible for the deaths of 2.45-3 million N. Koreans from 1995-8.

Are we talking about a Dictatorship or Communism?

At 1/11/07 05:34 PM, BanditByte wrote:
Is it natural for humans to not breathe oxygen? Therefore, since we can do plenty of unnatural, things it must be possible for us to breathe nothing but carbon dioxide and survive!

No, preventing greed is not something that may be accomplished. No more than it would be possible for me to look left and right at the same time. You thinking otherwise is a testament of your own dumbshitery.

Communism = Failure

Do you even pay attention to what you say, banditbyte? i think that you are so anti-communist, you devote so much of your self to proving us wrong, you leave so very little of yourself to common sense. i did not challenge what spackership said about communism, i went against what he said about equality.

understand this, everyone. you are entitled to your opinions, but equality does exist, but the at the time of my previous post, i was too pist to see that spackership was attacking individuality, not equality. NO ONE can be exactly the same, we are all different beings. but that does not mean that they are not equal. we are all equal becuase we all are living beings. it was not our choice to be born, it was our parents. So, in all truth, we have them to thank for our success or suffering.

as for spackerships comments on work, if you are truley serious about your life, find a job that you enjoy. we can always find a way to pull out of a fix. we can live without unneeded commodities. but only if we think about the consiquences of our actions before hand.

i had lost a friend ,who died not a week ago, becuase he was shot in a gang dispute. when he joined the gang, he did not think of the consiquences of joining, only of the amount of money he'd make for protecting dealers. now whats left of him is in a small urn in the family room of his parents home. he found his way out, even if he did not want it.

this only reinforced what i beleive in. we as humans have the ability to reallize what we are doing, and to understand if we are doing the right or wrong thing. we can realize if we are being greedy or spiteful. we can fix our flaws, we truly can. even if it gos against what we were taught or our instincts. that is why we have "constructive critism". to point out our flaws, and simple tips on how to correct them.

i WILL apoligize if i flew of the top, but there are a handful things i beleive in, the topic of this forum is one of them, so is equality and individuality. though that is not all that i believe in, thats what i base my lifestyle off of. Banditbyte, Spakership, i do respect your veiws, but even so, will stand for what i beleive in.

"if one does not respect his enemies, then does that person truely respect themselves" -Renard Fuchs AKA Culpeo.

i based this saying off of the Golden Rule. We should of all learned this in the first few years of our education. And if ther is a person who came up with this befor me, Thanks.

At 1/9/07 01:14 PM, Draconias wrote: All of those cultures have supported that ideal as a way to control the masses. If you teach them to value the group, you can con them into self-sacrifice and make them accept your "justice" and leadership. However, it is also worth mentioning that Nationalism, the primary "group-think" power behind Communism, also only arose recently in the modern Western world, after individualism became a refined philosophy. Even before then, however, Individualism has been the default philosophy in every civilization in the world; the martyr for the group has traditionally been few and far between.

but putting the group before the self does not mean that society is communist. many society embraced this ideology since the community was needed to help support each other, an individual would not be able to acquire enough goods for him to survive outside the group. i was not trying to make an argument for communism, rather a point against the self-centered nature of our society.

At 1/12/07 06:03 PM, SolInvictus wrote: but putting the group before the self does not mean that society is communist. many society embraced this ideology since the community was needed to help support each other, an individual would not be able to acquire enough goods for him to survive outside the group. i was not trying to make an argument for communism, rather a point against the self-centered nature of our society.

How many of them really put the group before the individual? In almost every case, the individual is part of the group for his or her own benefit, not the group's benefit. Communism carries Group-First ideology from just a dangerous tool of control to a complete economic system-- the dictatorships that result are practically inherent in the system. Communism is flawed because Group-First ideology is not appropriate for that use.

At 12/28/06 12:44 PM, Dalaran2007 wrote: Yes it does have a lot to do wih communism. Do you think China would provide such cheap labor if it wasn't for the Communist government?

Where was the communism in the 17-19th century Eurpe? Because that time the labour was extremly cheap. This is called wild capitalism! In a communist country you can get a decent payment, but you can't buy anything you want (because there are lack of goods).

At 12/20/06 04:34 PM, Denta wrote: Why is Communism bad?

Well, it doesn't work in real life. Why should people who spend their childhood being lazy "own" as much as somebody who spent their childhood hard at work? Why restrict people from their full potential?

Without the high-flyers is there really an economy there?

At 12/21/06 02:45 PM, Varrio wrote: Communism isn't bad in and of itself... In fact, I believe it is a GREAT idea. BUT, people use their power when they have it. It is in their nature...And as soon as they see they are in control of people who are easily subjected to poor economics, they take advantage of it. If there is ONE person, who could be blind to power and greed, when in position as a leader of a communist country.... THEN, it could work wonderfully.

Also, everyone would have to agree to not owning any property, and not having any chance of rising in a social status, they'd also have to agree to give up their religous pratice. [ if it was a marxist socialism ]

Communism in a sense, is the concept of selling yourself to the community, so long as the community is perfect however, the system will work perfectly.

Smilez, do you go through trolling phases? A few weeks ago you would have been sucking Marx's cock.

At 1/13/07 11:27 PM, YHWH wrote: Smilez, do you go through trolling phases? A few weeks ago you would have been sucking Marx's cock.

Sometimes i get so annoyed at the ignorance of others that i only see it fit to mimic them, it amazes me how close my opinion can get to somone else, and yet the reaction is so completely different.

I really dont have an opinion, i like to post different ideas which oppose the current of of the BBS political voice. [infact if you look at the first post i would have said that communism is fault-less.] in reality, a political system is like a building which may or may not collapse over time, people blame the building for not being able to hold itself up, but in reality what makes all things fall is gravity. [metaphorically speaking, the people]

I'm not saying the government is perfect and the civilians are at fault, i'm saying that the people, as in humans, make political systems fail because everyone has their own conflicting agendas. [right or wrong, both have the same potential effects]

At 12/20/06 04:34 PM, Denta wrote: Why is Communism bad?

Well, a few things.

1. The pay, you have to work hard, but the person who doesn't work that hard gets paid the same amount of money you earn. In other words, there is no motivation to work because a person on the lowest job position earns the same as a CEO.

2. No going against the other companies. There are different companies that go against each other on a daily basis, Microsoft versus Apple. But with communism, they earn the same and there is once again, no motivation to work hard. So there would likely be 1 store per business.

3. The leaders. The leaders are usually corrupted people who like to boss people around.

4. Work hard or else. In a democracy/market economy, you can make as much as you want to get paid higher, so working harder may get you more money, and vacations. In communism/command economy, you have to work hard, but you get paid the same money as the person who has the worst job position. Plus, if you don't meet your quota or don't work hard, then you could get shot.

That is why communism doesn't work, that will be 10 dollars please(not really).

At 1/12/07 06:29 PM, Draconias wrote: How many of them really put the group before the individual? In almost every case, the individual is part of the group for his or her own benefit, not the group's benefit.

well most societies from our hunter-gatherer ancestors to recent empires and todays military work on these principals because the group will help you live whereas working on your own won't get you far.

At 1/15/07 04:21 PM, SolInvictus wrote: well most societies from our hunter-gatherer ancestors to recent empires and todays military work on these principals because the group will help you live whereas working on your own won't get you far.

The Group is not responsible for any success you make. The Group is an artificial construct when the community extends beyond a few dozen people. While individuals can specialize and trade, it is the Individual which makes decisions, creates interactions, and succeeds. The artificial concept of The Group just makes the socializing between Individuals seem more permanent.