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I think it is really shitty of people to be anti-the iraq war. There is no other way to liberate iraq. all people is my class are against, except me. Look who is right now!!! hehe...

RIGHT NOW THE STATUE FELL!!! Only the feet is still left!! Watch the TV!!"

No offense Wade, but you watch Fox News Channel and that's hardly a credible news source. I just watched the BBC World 24 Bulletin and they said that less than half of Bahgdad had been secured by US troops. Fox News is just showing you what you want to see.

What they fail to report is that in the aftermath it's going to be the British and Australian troops who have to clean everything up. You make it sound like Iraq will become another America.. a process I like to call Americanisation. What America thinks is best is not always whats actually best.

At 4/9/03 10:54 AM, vibes wrote: I just watched the BBC World 24 Bulletin and they said that less than half of Bahgdad had been secured by US troops. Fox News is just showing you what you want to see.

i agree i'm watching bbc news 24 (i think you're still getting it on bbc world for now) and they are saying and i quote that "iraq is still a very dangerous city". so although it's a good thing to see the fighting will still continue

At 4/9/03 11:08 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 4/9/03 10:54 AM, vibes wrote:

a credible news source? Well, I've been flipping they were showing an earth quake in India. This is like the Berlin wall coming down, it's history, but the BBC and are very happy to be rid of Saddam. They are running up to our troops and thanking them. So why are you being such an asshole and talking shit? I guess you would rather they stayed under Saddam's rule and be tortured, so you fall into the fucking tool group.

I've been watching the BBC since it started and ive seen everything!

At 4/9/03 10:54 AM, vibes wrote: No offense Wade, but you watch Fox News Channel and that's hardly a credible news source. I just watched the BBC World 24 Bulletin and they said that less than half of Bahgdad had been secured by US troops. Fox News is just showing you what you want to see.

What they fail to report is that in the aftermath it's going to be the British and Australian troops who have to clean everything up.

I'm watching this whole thing on Spanish TV and even I can tell that. Its gonna take a lot of time but you gotta admit, this may be the beginning of the end.

You make it sound like Iraq will become another America.. a process I like to call Americanisation. What America thinks is best is not always whats actually best.

Which words did Wade use that made you think that?

And no, this is not an american victory, it is an Iraqi one.

At 4/9/03 11:08 AM, WadeFulp wrote: The BBC is the bull shit news source. I already heard they were barely covering this statue coming down and instead they were showing an earth quake in India.

Wade i live in the uk and i watch bbc news 24 when there is nothing else on and they have shown almost non-stop coverage of the iraqi war. when the statue was about to come down they had a reporter right there telling us everything he was hearing. i also heard a us troop saying "putting the wire round his feet won't do anything we have to put it round his neck". maybe the bbc coverage shown in other countrys varies but here it is almost constant iraq war coverage. i have heard nothing about an earthquake in india.

At 4/9/03 11:08 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Fox News not a credible news source? Well, I've been flipping through several news channels. The BBC is the bull shit news source. I already heard they were barely covering this statue coming down and instead they were showing an earth quake in India.

You 'heard' they weren't covering it.. so you don't know for sure? Also it's possible for a news channel to be broadcasting OTHER news. The world doesn't revolve around America.

This is like the Berlin wall coming down, it's history, but the BBC would rather not show it because it shows the US was right.

Wasn't the purpose of this war to disarm Iraq? I don't see how pulling down a statue of Suddam shows that the US was right about chemical weapons.

The Iraqi people are celebrating and are very happy to be rid of Saddam. They are running up to our troops and thanking them.

I didn't say that bringing down Suddam was a bad thing - But the people you're seeing are just one single group of people.. they don't reflect the entire popular of Iraq

So why are you being such an asshole and talking shit? I guess you would rather they stayed under Saddam's rule and be tortured, so you fall into the fucking tool group.

I never said that Saddam should stay in power. From the sounds of things anyone not waving an American flag is a tool. How sterotypical. Go America.

Iraq has been liberated :D Finally after years of living in fear, they are safe. Its going to take some time to demolish every saddame picture, or statue.

At 4/9/03 11:12 AM, WadeFulp wrote: America is the best country in the world. Maybe you should visit here and see it for yourself.

I'd rather be right here. I like the idea that I can walk down the street without being shot.

I would also like to add that the fall of Suddam is fine by me... I just think that America's plans for the future of Iraq might not be whats best for the people. Throwing them straight into an American democrocy might not be in the country's best interests. China isn't democratic and they're doing fine.

Wow, vibes managed to piss Wade off....anyway I would have to agree somewhat with vibes in that Fox News does skew rather American. They are not as objective as say CNN. But in any case, this is history. That was awesome watching the Iraqi jumping on the statue. But the is by no means over. Saddam is apparently still alive, but they have killed one of his sons and severely injured the other. As they are saying on the news, Saddam and any remaining members of his regime will most likely try to escape from Iraq like the cowards they are. I am surprised that this happened so quickly, I expected a huge fight for Baghdad, but I am very glad that did not happen because of the many deaths, on both sides and civillan that would have resulted.

Watch Saddam tomorrow. He's gonna say that the statue isn't down and that US troops still aren't in Baghdad.

Early in the war, people were pointing to stiff resistance and the fact that Iraqi civilians were reluctant to express support for us to try to show that they weren't exactly welcoming us as liberators.

They're sure welcoming us now!

There is quite a bit of clean-up work left to be done in Baghdad and elsewhere, but the Iraqi people are obviously no longer afraid of Saddam, and are definitely enjoying their new-found freedom.

France, Russia, China, and Germany should be hanging their heads in shame right now. Now, all we have to do is produce the weaponry, and then we can declare this war to be one of the most successful wars in history, not to mention declare Bush to be the winner in 2004. :)

At 4/9/03 10:54 AM, vibes wrote: No offense Wade, but you watch Fox News Channel and that's hardly a credible news source. I just watched the BBC World 24 Bulletin and they said that less than half of Bahgdad had been secured by US troops. Fox News is just showing you what you want to see.

What they fail to report is that in the aftermath it's going to be the British and Australian troops who have to clean everything up. You make it sound like Iraq will become another America.. a process I like to call Americanisation. What America thinks is best is not always whats actually best.

FOX News never once said that Iraq was free. They say that the regime is crumbled, or almost non-existent; but they haven't said that "There is no more fighting in Iraq and the war is over, go America!". So, anything Wade says on the subject is from his own personal hearing problems or fictitious wishes, as for FOX has other correspondents in other parts of Baghdad that are still under sporadic fire.

Of course American television is going to have propoganda, but look how small this is to the former Iraqi television propoganga: "There are no US troops in Baghdad" *While US troops raid a palace two blocks away*

Anyway, I too felt very joyous after seeing all these Iraqi's expressing their hatred freely about Saddam. And to me, also, I am reminded of the Berlin Wall. This is a significant day in history, but there are still many more steps to take before this war is over.

ALSO: I haven't posted in a while, been busy on the CC boards. :o

At 4/9/03 11:29 AM, TheEvilOne wrote: Early in the war, people were pointing to stiff resistance and the fact that Iraqi civilians were reluctant to express support for us to try to show that they weren't exactly welcoming us as liberators.

You are talking like Iraq has been completely taken over. It hasn't you know.

However, Brooks said Saddam loyalists were holding out in the north, including in Saddam's hometown of Tikrit, and still posed a threat, including the possible use of weapons of mass destruction.

France, Russia, China, and Germany should be hanging their heads in shame right now.

Er. Thousands of people have died. No weapons have been found yet!

Now, all we have to do is produce the weaponry, and then we can declare this war to be one of the most successful wars in history

There is no such thing as a sucessful war. There is always a price. What if they don't find any weapons?

not to mention declare Bush to be the winner in 2004.

oh god no.

At 4/9/03 11:24 AM, vibes wrote: Throwing them straight into an American democrocy might not be in the country's best interests. China isn't democratic and they're doing fine.

I guess we should set up a communist goverment there lol...or better yet, another dictator.. seriously, we liberated the country, we are going to set up the goverment, do you seriously think we would put in a different type of goverment?

At 4/9/03 11:34 AM, Captain_Bob wrote: do you seriously think we would put in a different type of goverment?

No. But when I see footage of them looting government institutions I know that they're not getting off to a good start in this so called 'new iraq'.

I wonder if Iraq's people are going to get all fat like americans in the years to come? You know that Coke and Mc Donalds are going to be the 1st motherfuckers over there sponsoring "the Iraqi special retarded american style olympics" Where the events would be all lame and shit.

But I do agree that the war was the right decision...

At 4/9/03 11:34 AM, vibes wrote: There is no such thing as a sucessful war. There is always a price. What if they don't find any weapons?

Then Iraq was rid of a evil dictator by the US when no one else was willing to. I know that was Bush's justification for the war, and I agree that he went about it the wrong way, but this needed to be done, end of story.

At 4/9/03 11:29 AM, TheEvilOne wrote: not to mention declare Bush to be the winner in 2004.

..or not. He has messed up too much at home...the first Gulf War didn't help his dad get reelected.

At 4/9/03 11:38 AM, vibes wrote: No. But when I see footage of them looting government institutions I know that they're not getting off to a good start in this so called 'new iraq'.

As I read in a story on Yahoo News a few minutes ago, one commander said "It is sad to see this [the looting] happening around us, but we are here on a military mission, not a policing mission." They have bigger things to concentrate on right now instead of the looting.

At 4/9/03 11:50 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Dude, wtf, I didn't say that Vibes did! I support FOx news and they are reporting about how much more is left to do and there are still many battles to fight. Vibes probably doesn't even get Fox News. I think Fox news has been the most fair coverage of the war so far. They have shown all sides, instead of focusing on one side like civilian casulties like some other networks. Fox has shown it all. Ever report I've heard from any other news source, or people on here, I have heard it reported on Fox News.

I got my first statement from the title of this thread.. You may have meant it metaphorically, but I think that's what set vibes off: "Iraq is free". Though, basically, in my opinion, it is.

I support FOX News solely too, in my opinion they have been very fair in their coverage and broadcast.

At 4/9/03 11:54 AM, WadeFulp wrote:
Well gee wizz Vibes.. Do you think war is picture perfect? We can't have total control in the snap of a finger. As far as them looting, good for them. Don't you realize Saddam kept all the wealth for himself? Why should he have fancy chairs and tables when his people have nothing? They are simply taking from him what he has kept from them for decades.

you are correct war is not perfect thats for sure - sometimes wish it was not the way it is but thats how life and society is - and its true they have been neglected in there own country - all the money they have recieved from the oil they export have nothing to show from it - looking at those pictures of how is palace looks and such thats a shame - plus if you have not heard they was demostrating how he use to torture people, through - electricity and anything and everything else - it was time and time has come.......