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At 12/18/06 08:39 PM, emmytee wrote: And its a quadruple post! I know I just double posted, but you don't get many of those....

Also, he is joking......It was pretty obvious.

May I take that as a compliment? I suprised even myself . . . Ahhhh, what a life....

At 12/19/06 04:10 PM, Xyklon-B wrote: The crimes of the losers are always brought to trial while the crimes of the winners are concealed or downplayed.

Finally someone who gets it......thank you my brother . . .

Ah, and now a double post.......wait.....make that a triple....go ahead and hate me...

yeah the 6 million jews, the millions of others,ranging from jehovah's witnesses to gypsies,politcal opponents and the physically handicapped ... they just floated away to to some other relm on magical pixe wings!! i think not!! Paris hilton is ugly with no talent and dubyya is the worst president of all time!1

At 12/20/06 12:36 PM, sweet-n-saltynut wrote: Paris hilton is ugly with no talent and dubyya is the worst president of all time!1

You embarass me as a human being...because Paris Hilton and "Dubyya" surely had something to do with an event that occured YEARS before there conception. Go flame yourself, as I don't have the time...

I think a better question would be, "How many did the Holocaust really kill, and how much of the Holocaust was really just Allied wartime propaganda?"

To debate whether something like the Holocaust actually ever happened would be moronic.

At 12/19/06 04:10 PM, Xyklon-B wrote: History is written by the victors... Such was the case of the Allied firebombing of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Dresden Germany.

But no-one disagrees, the firebombing of Dresden actually happened. Sure, winners can get off without trials, and sure they can distort evidence, but to make it seem like 12 million people died when they didn't? I find that hard to believe.

Added to that, the tremendous amount of evidence from unbiased sources that the holocaust did happen and I don't believe deniers have a case

Of course, whether the political fallout has been favourable towards Jewish people is another question entirely - I think it's dangerous to stifle debate about the holocaust, even if you, personally, find it abhorrant.

At 12/15/06 10:27 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 12/15/06 09:51 PM, airraid81 wrote: I'm just putting this up for debate. I think it's a very important topic. I don't want to find out that all the Halocaust crap has been propoganda. Geniouses like Iran's president and David Duke (also a KKK member) have said that the Halocaust didn't happen.

Please tell me you're joking.

about what should he be joking? the president of iran did say something like that!

Because if you're actually serious, then you are one of the dumbest fuckers to ever walk the planet.

thats just the opninion I had about you

Especially if you consider Iran's president and David Duke to be 'geniouses'. (nice spelling by the way).

lol I dont think he ment it that way, excually I am pretty sure

If you are actually serious, then you need to kill yourself right now to balance your negative Karma.

yeah good advice, maybe you should to

idiot that loves weapons

Here are some questions you might like to explore :

Why,when the number of detainees who died at Auschwitz was cut from 4 million to 1.5 million by the camp museum researchers, was the total of 6 million not reduced accordingly? Where did the the extra 2.5 million dead Jews come from to keep the magic number at 6 million?

Why do the Jews own figures for their total European population pre and post Holohoax not show a fall in numbers ?

How can the 'confessions' from the Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal be regarded as authentic when according to Allied doctors who examined the German prisoners many of them had been tortured ?

How can confessions which state that Jews were variously steamed to death, gassed by non poisonous diesel exhaust fumes,beaten to death by pedal powered clubbing machines, electrocuted 25,000 at a time on giant metal plates and vaporised by a 'death ray' be regarded as evidence?

Why is the confession of the Auschwitz camp commandant written in English, a language he did not understand, and why are the pages spattered with blood?

How could the Germans have gassed one million jews at Auschwitz in 'chambers' which could never have functioned? Why would these chambers be designed so that they would have discharged highly explosive and toxic Hydrocyanic gas right under the naked flames of the camp crematoria and next to the commandants quarters? Did the Germans wish to poison themselves and blow the entire camp apart?

Why did the Simon Wiesenthal Centre exhibit a photograph on its website showing smoke coming from a 'crematorium' which was in fact airbrushed on and was coming not from a chimney but a fence post?

Why do 'survivors' claim to have seen smoke and flames and ashes issuing from crematorium chimneys night and day when reconnaissance photos show no smoke at all and the blueprints of the crematoria show that the chimneys were fitted with flame and smoke traps?

If there was a Concentration Camp at Treblinka where 850,000 Jews were killed then why does it not appear on wartime recconaissance photos - and why has a ground penetrating radar survey of the site revealed no foundations, no evidence of buildings and no bodies?

How did the Germans dispose of 1.1 million corpses at Auschwitz? The crematoria did not have anything like the capacity to dispose of this number.The alternative story of burning bodies in pits would have required so much petrol that the entire German war effort would have been paralysed. So how WERE the bodies disposed of?

How can 'eyewitness' tales of Jewish prisoners working as 'Sonderkommando' dragging bodies from the 'gas chambers' be true ? None of these stories mention gas masks and some even say the Sonderkommando were smoking cigarettes IN A CHAMBER FULL OF EXPLOSIVE POISONOUS GAS.

Why are so many 'survivors' tales, kept in museum archives, unavailable for public view?

If it is true that the Germans lined tens of thousands of Jews against what is called the 'shooting wall' at Auschwitz and blew their brains out then why can you visit this wall today and see for yourself that there are no bullet holes in it?

How can thousands of abandoned German and Polish minorities be freed from obvious work camps, emaciated, and not hear tales of the hundreds of thousands before them that simply got on the train and were never seen again?

Did they all walk to Israel?

At 1/14/07 03:26 AM, Leeloo-Minai wrote: How can thousands of abandoned German and Polish minorities be freed from obvious work camps, emaciated, and not hear tales of the hundreds of thousands before them that simply got on the train and were never seen again?

Did they all walk to Israel?

The state of Israel did not exist until 1948.

At 1/14/07 03:34 AM, Aserg wrote:

At 1/14/07 03:26 AM, Leeloo-Minai wrote: How can thousands of abandoned German and Polish minorities be freed from obvious work camps, emaciated, and not hear tales of the hundreds of thousands before them that simply got on the train and were never seen again?

Did they all walk to Israel?

The state of Israel did not exist until 1948.

Would you have preferred that I called the region known as Israel by it's former names, in order to clear the cloud of confusion some of you are wearing?

At 1/14/07 03:14 AM, Aserg wrote: Why do the Jews own figures for their total European population pre and post Holohoax not show a fall in numbers ?

I don't know about the other claims since I'm not a historian and have never visited Auchwitz, but I know this is false for a start. Every Holocaust denier I've come across has cited the World Almanac for this claim, showing that the 1940 World Almanac says that the world Jewish population is actually lower than the 1949 world Jewish population. In fact, this is false, as the 1940 World Almanac gives the Jewish population as 15,319,359, and the 1949 World Almanac gives the Jewish population as 11,266,600. Furthermore, the World Almanac isn't that great a Census reference in any case.

At 1/14/07 03:14 AM, Aserg wrote: Here are some questions you might like to explore :

Firstly, it is considered "plagerism", unless you link to a source.

Secondly, for those of you who were wondering, the site he copied and pasted this off is the official site of "Combat 18", a neo-Nazi group. It claims "ADOLF HITLER'S ONLY MISTAKE WAS THAT HE WAS TOO NICE TO THE JEWS". I consequently do not accept the authority of your source.

I do not accept that any of the claims you then make, unverified, are even approaching the truth. Either put up a source for each one you still believe to be true, or accept that there is no evidence for any of your wild, unfounded claims.

On that note, I believe I am qualified to disprove a couple of these

How could the Germans have gassed one million jews at Auschwitz in 'chambers' which could never have functioned? Why would these chambers be designed so that they would have discharged highly explosive and toxic Hydrocyanic gas right under the naked flames of the camp crematoria and next to the commandants quarters? Did the Germans wish to poison themselves and blow the entire camp apart?

The gas chambers (7) are not 'next to' the commandants quarters (3). There is a road separating them. Source The gas chambers had to be more or less airtight, otherwise they wouldn't have worked.

Also, Zyklon B isn't Hydrocyanide gas, its Prussic acid and a stabiliser. It evolved Hydrogen Cyanide gas in air. There's a huge difference in the chemistry of the two. For example, Hydrogen cyanide gas in air is only explosive at concentrations over 56,000 ppm. Considering that it only takes 200ppm to kill someone, I think your argument falls down when exposed to someone who knows any chemistry whatsoever. Source

How can 'eyewitness' tales of Jewish prisoners working as 'Sonderkommando' dragging bodies from the 'gas chambers' be true ? None of these stories mention gas masks and some even say the Sonderkommando were smoking cigarettes IN A CHAMBER FULL OF EXPLOSIVE POISONOUS GAS.

Again, there is no issue with this. If the chambers were then vented, they are no longer explosive or poisonous.

Why are so many 'survivors' tales, kept in museum archives, unavailable for public view?

You know that you can see them if you make an appointment and have a legitamate reason? This is your worst argument yet.

At 12/16/06 01:03 AM, Jose wrote: Even though I believe the Holocaust did happen, I think this link raises some interesting points.

Jews did holocaust.

Anyway, that link talks about how the Leuchter report was valid, which is pretty ridiculous. Leuchter was considered an authority on gas chambers, despite originally making new designs for electric chairs, not gas chambers. In addition, he frequently misrepresented himself as a professional engineer, despite not even having a degree in engineering.

There's quite a few other ways that the Leuchter report was flawed (calculations on number of people who could feasably be executed based on wildly inaccurate assumptions, positive control sample incomparable to those in the gas chambers, samples from chambers not compared to negative control sample, Leuchter unaware that certain areas had been rebuilt, and so on and so forth.)

Well, I know there was a holocaust; I have three family members that were murdered by the Nazis, and many were scattered across the western world.

But my family history aside, you've got to be fucking kidding me. What about all the Jews who, you know, actually went to concentration camps? And then told us about it? And the bodies they found? And the fact that the Nazis WANTED TO MURDER ALL THE JEWS EITHER WAY?

This thread does not exist. Therefore, please stop responding to it.

Anyone who denies or doubts the Holocaust is not trying to engage in debate, but engage in hate. They go promptly onto my ignore list.

At 1/14/07 11:16 AM, Goldensheep wrote:

Secondly, for those of you who were wondering, the site he copied and pasted this off is the official site of "Combat 18", a neo-Nazi group. It claims "ADOLF HITLER'S ONLY MISTAKE WAS THAT HE WAS TOO NICE TO THE JEWS". I consequently do not accept the authority of your source.

That's because you're brainwashed like the rest of these 15 year old fucks.

At 1/14/07 03:17 PM, Aserg wrote:

At 1/14/07 11:16 AM, Goldensheep wrote:

Secondly, for those of you who were wondering, the site he copied and pasted this off is the official site of "Combat 18", a neo-Nazi group. It claims "ADOLF HITLER'S ONLY MISTAKE WAS THAT HE WAS TOO NICE TO THE JEWS". I consequently do not accept the authority of your source.

That's because you're brainwashed like the rest of these 15 year old fucks.

I would find it ironic that a Neo-Nazi would talk about brainwashing, since that's how the Nazi party gained control- by making his nation think that Jews were somehow doing something to them.

At 1/14/07 03:17 PM, Aserg wrote:

At 1/14/07 11:16 AM, Goldensheep wrote:

That's because you're brainwashed like the rest of these 15 year old fucks.

OK, I accept that if I were brainwashed, I would consider the entirely reasonable neo-nazis who frequent Combat 18 to be in some way mistaken. So prove your point - I challenge you to give a source for ONE SINGLE claim you made. Surely, if I am a "brainwashed fuck", you will have no problem proving every single allegation you made.

Lol, painful reality check coming up

Ever hear of the middle east? It doesn't exist.

At 1/14/07 03:36 PM, Goldensheep wrote: I challenge you to give a source for ONE SINGLE claim you made.

I have already done so many times before you ignorant slave.

At 1/14/07 03:54 PM, Aserg wrote:

At 1/14/07 03:36 PM, Goldensheep wrote: I challenge you to give a source for ONE SINGLE claim you made.

I have already done so many times before you ignorant slave.

"I'm not ignorant, but all my sauces are!"

strafer, the jews own everything, therefore they can brainwash anybody but Aserg, our stoic watchward of the Juden.

Aserg, have you toured any of the death camps? I can't say I've been to them all, but I have been to Dachau and I can tell you for certain that that place is NO HOAX. Check it out sometime, if you can afford the trip and not blow yourself up at the steeple entrance.

At 1/14/07 03:54 PM, Aserg wrote: I have already done so many times before you ignorant slave.

No you haven't. I've been back through your post history. Just to prove it, here are two of the posts you have made in the past couple of weeks

Topic: What makes your cock hardest?
Forum: General
Posted: 1/7/07 02:25 AM
"Lolicon."

Topic: Have Sex With Anyone
Forum: General
Posted: 1/6/07 02:11 AM
"Aerie from Baldur's Gate 2."

Now, why don't you stop bullshitting, and accept that you have never posted any proof because you do not posses said proof, and that the reason you do not is that aforementioned proof does not exist in any place outside of your tiny, warped mind

At 1/14/07 03:54 PM, Aserg wrote:

At 1/14/07 03:36 PM, Goldensheep wrote: I challenge you to give a source for ONE SINGLE claim you made.

I have already done so many times before you ignorant slave.

You copied and pasted from a site. You didn't even credit the site as a source when you copied and pasted. Furthermore, you copied and pasted from a site that has shown utter hatred for Jews, wishes for the death of said Jews, and that thus has an agenda for decrying the Holocaust and for making that particular group of people out to be liars.

Martin Luther King was a plagiarist as well as an adulterer, yet nobody seems to notice or care.

I guess being black does have its advantages.

At 1/14/07 05:07 PM, Aserg wrote: Martin Luther King was a plagiarist as well as an adulterer, yet nobody seems to notice or care.

I guess being black does have its advantages.

Actually, he was cleared of those charges of plagiarising a while ago. And him committing adultery on his wife doesn't necessarily detract from his influence on civil rights. It's not like he was Jesse Jackson counseling Bill Clinton or anything like that.

correction: Ok, I thought that years ago I had seen a television special that had cleared King of those plagiarism charges, but I seem to have been mistaken. There was research to still indicate that King had plagiarized on his dissertation, and so I was wrong.

Although I'll admit, King has little to do with this current topic, and you're just trying to distract us from your copy and paste from a neo-Nazi site that has an agenda to deny the Holocaust.

There was a holocaust.They have FOOTAGE of it.
People lying dead in the streets and such.

Did the holocaust happen...

Is that a rhetorical question, or are you just being spoon-fed ingnorance?