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Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 20:00:45 Reply

Here's a history lesson that dates back at the aftermath of WWII: After the Holocaust, Jews were left homeless. So the British Parliment, being total idiots, have sent jew into what is now Israel and kicked out the Palestineans who were one of the Middle Eastern Countries under the Imperialist whip of Britain and France. They should be the one defending Israel, not the United States. Britain probably just used the UN to their advantage to throw their troubles unto us. We wouldn't have been in the Iraq War right now if they took responsibility of their past actions and defend Israel. Maybe because the British Parliment were a bunch of cowards to where they think they can stop crime by Illegalizing guns.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 20:13:40 Reply

Well first of all, most British politicians do support Israel and a sizeable portion of their citizens to as well.

But you have to understand that politically, Britain has done a complete 180 degree turn politically since the 40s. Even though their country does support Israel, they don't want to have the appearance that they do for political and social reasons (all the psychotic Muslims in their country and to avoid hatred directed against them by the world community).

I guess you can say that they left the responsibility for supporting Israel on the US, but we took the job gladly. Britain, France, and even Germany also give Israel all kinds of aid and cooperation, but they intentionally don't publicly support Israel because they want to dodge the bullet from all the angry Muslims in the world.

Hell, even alot of Western Europeans are completely unaware of the history of Israel and how their country participated in its establishment. So they just blame the US only, yet covertly support Israel just as stridently as the US does.

Thats what Europeans do, they are scandalous and calculating.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 20:18:35 Reply

U better not be bein rasist LOL im watchin U

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 20:20:33 Reply

How about this.

Isreal should defend Isreal.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 20:25:35 Reply

At 12/12/06 08:20 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: How about this.

Isreal should defend Isreal.

I think she means in the media or something. Israel needs help in the PR department in any case. The terrorists are good at fighting the media war.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 20:43:07 Reply

At 12/12/06 08:00 PM, Oblivia wrote: Maybe because the British Parliment were a bunch of cowards to where they think they can stop crime by Illegalizing guns.

Our parliment is a bunch of cowards (umonst other nasty things) But we dont completly illegalize guns. My father alone has 2 rifles and 2 double barrel shotguns. And his farther has 3 shot guns. We just dont Britian going gun mad. We also have the harshest drug laws in europe as well.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 21:15:18 Reply

If Israel had just been created yesterday, and all the arabs decided to kill them for being Jewish, I could accept that. But as it is, Israel has been abusing its power for the last 60 odd years. They pull all kinds of sick shit in Palestine and constantly adopt an anti-arab foreign policy. In a nutshell, they gave up their right to our protection when they started wars.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 21:21:38 Reply

I agree, Israel was a good idea but the jews have taken advantage an started wars an shit,

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-12 21:26:51 Reply

At 12/12/06 09:21 PM, zzzzd wrote: I agree, Israel was a good idea but the jews have taken advantage an started wars an shit,

The Jews started wars? Um the only war the Jews started were after attacks by Arabs, or when Arab armies were ABOUT to attack Israel.

Read a history book. If Israel was just in the busines of starting wars, then Syria, Jordan, "Egypt, Palestine", Lebanon and every other arab country would probably not exist.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 01:06:20 Reply

At 12/12/06 09:26 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
At 12/12/06 09:21 PM, zzzzd wrote: I agree, Israel was a good idea but the jews have taken advantage an started wars an shit,
The Jews started wars? Um the only war the Jews started were after attacks by Arabs, or when Arab armies were ABOUT to attack Israel.

Read a history book. If Israel was just in the busines of starting wars, then Syria, Jordan, "Egypt, Palestine", Lebanon and every other arab country would probably not exist.

That depends on what you consider historically valid. If you decide to take the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament) as at least partially historically accurate, the Jewish people themselves admit to being invaders of the land of Canaan, at the supposed word of the "god" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 01:38:56 Reply

At 12/12/06 08:00 PM, Oblivia wrote: Here's a history lesson that dates back at the aftermath of WWII: After the Holocaust, Jews were left homeless.

the Jews didn't have a homeland for over 2000 years before the Holocaust occurred.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 01:42:12 Reply

Personally I think it was the right thing to do to give the jews a country, but it wasnt fair on the palestians. But since then israil has just taken advantage and been right cunts.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 04:13:00 Reply

At 12/13/06 01:06 AM, Guardian wrote:
At 12/12/06 09:26 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
At 12/12/06 09:21 PM, zzzzd wrote: I agree, Israel was a good idea but the jews have taken advantage an started wars an shit,
The Jews started wars? Um the only war the Jews started were after attacks by Arabs, or when Arab armies were ABOUT to attack Israel.

Read a history book. If Israel was just in the busines of starting wars, then Syria, Jordan, "Egypt, Palestine", Lebanon and every other arab country would probably not exist.
That depends on what you consider historically valid. If you decide to take the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament) as at least partially historically accurate, the Jewish people themselves admit to being invaders of the land of Canaan, at the supposed word of the "god" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Dude, we're not talking about the ancient Jews as desribed to us by the Old Testament (Torah).

zzzzd was talking about the Jews of modern Israel if you read what he said. Since the foundation of the modern nation of Israel, they have never launched an uncalled for preemptive strike. Which is UNLIKE their Arab neighbors who have attacked Israel conventionally 5 times and lost each time but then were given mercy by Israel who could have completely destroyed them each time. Then the only times Israel attacked first was when the Arab armies surrounded Israel and were about to attack or already launched small scale attacks against Israel.

In fact, Gaza and the West Bank were only taken by Israel after they were attacked by Arabs and then beat the SHIT out of them and pushed them back beyond the borders. Israel also claimed the entire Sinai peninsula but then gave it back. Something the Arabs never would have done considering their goal was to destroy Israel and take the land, Israels only goal was to protect itself.

It seems that the plight of the Arabs of the middle east, including the Palestinians, is their own damn fault.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 04:49:54 Reply

At 12/12/06 09:15 PM, emmytee wrote: If Israel had just been created yesterday, and all the arabs decided to kill them for being Jewish, I could accept that. . . .In a nutshell, they gave up their right to our protection when they started wars.

Actually, that's what happened. Israel had just been created when five of her Arab neighbors attacked her: 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Miraculously, Israel won.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 10:56:18 Reply

We do support Israel: apart from the fact it was Churchill that floated the idea of a Jewish Free State post WWII, the amount of "aid" we gave them in the last 60 years (by aid I mean "weapons" or "things that are designed to wound and kill whoever you use them on"), that's plenty of support.

Then there's the fact we, as the US do, seem to be intent to look the other way when they're casually shooting and destroying their way through Palestinian settlements of various parts of the Lebanon, yet are remarkably quick to condemn anyone that shoots back. And as for the major bias in our news coverage, especially the BBC, that reports the death of two Israelis as a tragedy, yet two dozen Lebanese/Palestinians as a statistic...

We defend Israel, we arm Israel, and we make excuses for Israel. barring giving them nuclear weapons - which the French did - what more do you expect the UK to do?!?


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 11:33:06 Reply

Britain should just stay the hell out of it. We already get dragged into the rest of the world's problems too much (Balkans, Iraq, ect). The Last thing we need is to start getting involved in this mess as well.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 12:26:29 Reply

While we're insulting Countries for past misconceptions with the formation of new countries lets look to the 1920 Treaty of Versailles, President WIlson demands the creation of Chzechoslovakia (probably miss-spelt) and Yugoslavia. 1980's: Both are broken apart or in Civil war. As for 'Imperialist whip' We tried to let Canada and Australia leave our empire, they VOTED to stay in. Gosh that whip stings doesn't it?

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 12:59:59 Reply

Israel wasn't to extend Britains empire it was for somewhere for the jews to go.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 13:52:49 Reply

I don't see why we should defend Israel. It's not really in our interests as far as I can see. There are a lot of American and a few British Jews so I don't see how WE are in danger from them. I still don't see why we should support them. We supported America way too much and got dragged into Iraq. What a mess. It's not our mess.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 15:06:31 Reply

At 12/13/06 01:52 PM, Britkid wrote: We supported America way too much and got dragged into Iraq. What a mess. It's not our mess.

May you burn.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 15:14:54 Reply

America has too many political interests in Isreal. If it weren't for that, then I highly doubt that we would be protecting them. After all, Isreal is the best link America has to the Middle East.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 18:46:35 Reply

At 12/12/06 08:20 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: How about this.

Isreal should defend Isreal.

Totally agree despite common belief palestinian are the real jews, they were the jews that stayed in the lands of their ancester for all the time. Then these new "Poor" jews from the holocaust that needed a place to live, were sent to what is nowadays called Israel.

Also the israel secret police is even more brutal than the Nazi Gestapo (I mean gestapo or SS, not Final Solution gas chambers) they torture and kill families and friends of people involved in their investigations.

Israel is such a big ass country (im saying Israel not Jews, just Israel, i have nothin gainst jews). It thinks that because of the consecuences of the German Holocaust on their lives they can do the same to any other country

PS:Im not nazi, it may sound like so, but im just saying that palestinians are the real jews and kicking Israels butt.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 19:15:09 Reply

At 12/13/06 06:46 PM, Nighthawkstudio wrote: Totally agree despite common belief palestinian are the real jews, they were the jews that stayed in the lands of their ancester for all the time.

There is nothing correct in that sentence. Where did you get that from?

Then these new "Poor" jews from the holocaust that needed a place to live, were sent to what is nowadays called Israel.

The Jewish refugees were not the only reason Israel was created. In fact, had there been no reasons to change the status of the Palestine Mandate, then the Jews wouldn’t have gone to Israel, as the British were severely restricting Jewish immigration.

Also the israel secret police is even more brutal than the Nazi Gestapo (I mean gestapo or SS, not Final Solution gas chambers) they torture and kill families and friends of people involved in their investigations.

Where do you get this?

Israel is such a big ass country (im saying Israel not Jews, just Israel, i have nothin gainst jews). It thinks that because of the consecuences of the German Holocaust on their lives they can do the same to any other country

PS:Im not nazi, it may sound like so, but im just saying that palestinians are the real jews and kicking Israels butt.

I’d think you were being sarcastic in your post were it not for your disclaimers.

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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-13 19:21:46 Reply

At 12/12/06 08:20 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: How about this.

Isreal should defend Isreal.

It is defending itself, suicide bombings happen in isreal atleast 3 times a week. It's almost as bad as iraq. The average israeli has no idea when they're going to be attacked, it could be a bomb in a supermarket, on the street, or a shooting at random, it doesn't matter because as long as there are people who hate the israelis (who are muslim extremists of course since not EVERYONE who hates isreal is a muslim extremist (cough socialists, cough)) there will be violence in israel.

Consider this analogy...

your neighbor is constantly shooting at you from his window, what is easier... dodging the bullets that fly into your house, or simply blowing up your neighbors house.

Everyone can admit, it's easier, the issue of debate is whether or not it's fair. Isreal doesn't have a choice, blood will be payed no matter who's it is.


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Response to Britain should Defend Israel! 2006-12-14 09:18:08 Reply

I dont see how Britian can defend israel.