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Recently I was riding in my mom's car with my mom dad and sibling, Our car was behind an F350 that was hauling a lot of construction equipment. We were headed for the mall in our area, we knew the risk of being eaten by holiday traffic but we went anyway.... Anyways, This Older African American couple in a minivan was litteraly nosing their car in between the 2FT. of space between Our car and the trailer. The driver tried getting through at a green light, we slammed the horn and he stopped, on the next turn he followed us and attempted the same stunt. This time he litterally RAN US OFF THE ROAD! If we had accelerated any faster(1mph) We would have been in a car crash. In his side and dashboard mirrors we saw him do an almost tribal jig and he flipped the bird 4 times 1. out the driver window 2. in the dashboard mirror 3. through the side window 4. dual flip when we drove past. He screamed "Fu*# you CRACKER" and "White Bi!6#*$" amongst other unintelligable comments. Black people are the most rascist of all Americans, They hate it when someone yells the "N" word, but they can use being "Black" and "oppresed" as a legit complaint therefore winning everytime. Lastly I would like to state that a "N" is an Ignorant and often selfish individual NOT JUST AN AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!! Anybody of any race and gender can be that. They love to tell us to "Be equal" when they never follow up on the "promise". In the end I believe that there are'nt many normal white Americans that are rascist anymore. To finally answer the title, No, the "N" word cannot be outlawed or banned, that infringes on the first amendment, freedom of speech.

This banning of the N word certainly isn't going to help Mr. Shaffir.

I personally think it's stupid to ban it, all Kramer really did in the comedy club was say what everyone else in there was thinking.

That black man started the whole thing by shouting out comments and being disruptive. Sure Kramer went a little overboard, but that black man has no right to act all innocent when he provoked it.

At 12/12/06 09:18 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: All these black people are calling for people to stop using it. Meanwhile other racist slurs like honkey, cracker, spik, wetback, beaner, chinc, froggy, gook and so forth are considered to be completely fine by the same black people who want 'ni99er' to no longer be used.

You're forgetting, cellardoor6, that none of these other ethnic groups were enslaved by white people for 200 years. I think the African-Americans are justified in calling for the end of usage of this word.

At 12/28/06 09:23 PM, Bolo wrote: You're forgetting, cellardoor6, that none of these other ethnic groups were enslaved by white people for 200 years. I think the African-Americans are justified in calling for the end of usage of this word.

So? None of them actually experienced slavery. Not only that, but the price was paid with the blood of thousands of youngmen. If don't call me by my racial slur if you don't want me calling you by yours.

At 12/12/06 06:48 PM, Mercator wrote: While we are at it, can we ban the "C" word too? Im tired of being called cracker for my ancestors who were in GERMANY AND ENGLAND 200 years ago!

GO GERMANY WOOOOOOOO! YEAH! YOU RULE! HACK HACK HACK!

At 12/25/06 03:45 AM, Der-Ubermensch wrote: Honestly, if the blacks would start holding their chins up, show integrity and a respect for themselves and their condition.. I might even begin to respect them in return. I'm sick of hearing them lay the blame on "da white devil" and "da man" who supposedly has it against them. If Whites hadn't shown them mercy they'd still be tilling the fields like cattle.

That is very true, there are SOME black people who blame their own failure on other races, and suspect racism because they are less fortunate because of their own past failures. But there are a select few black people who have dignity, and who do not blame the white race or white authority figures for their own mishaps.

Weakness of mind, lack of pride, integrity and culture... those aspects of the race disgust me.

You should learn not to stereotype, regardless of majority/minority population.

Equality and respect? Earn it. Stop bitching, get educated, stop wearing your fuckin' pants around your ankles, speak proper english and look me in the eye when I talk to you. If you should stand at my level, I would have no choice but to respect you.

Once again, I agree with you to a degree, there are many black people who are ignorant and who purposely degrade their own stature, then expect respect. But I say again, this is not all black people we are talking about, simply the majority.

Does anyone follow my logic?

Yes, to a degree.

I concede to having gone overboard. I'm currently under the influence of the extremely pervasive negative conditions in my own city. Hell the potential is there; we could all stand tall and proud together.

At 12/29/06 07:00 PM, Mercator wrote:

I call bullshit. White people and Black people have been enslaving eachother for thousands of years. You dont think Rome was built by a couple of generous hard workers do you??

I did mention this earlier, but it's worth doing so again: the Romans themselves were slaves at one point. Look at the glorious history that followed though, it's inspiring.

its depressing, for all the times i have been called paleface, honky, cracker, whity, ect. i have probly called a member of a different race a racial slur for about a fifht of the times. EQUALITY. thats what it is called, the jews said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. why not listen? its true. it doesnt matter if it is a tooth from a honky for the tooth of a NGR. It doesnt, no one is better than anyone else. all humans are created equal.

if someone wants to be treated speicial, than that person has to admit to being inferior to evry one else, and becuase of that, they deserve to be treated as speicial. -carlos mencia

but no one is inferior, so no one gets to be treated as speicial. My freind kody is stuck in a wheel chair for the rest of his life. but one thing he hates more than bieng mocked, is bieng pitied. They dont see him, they see the chair on wheels. he dosnt mind kindness, but he hates when people doupt his abilities becuase of the wheel chair.

When people bring race into a subject, brieng in equality, its more effective than racism. accused them of bieng unamerican. if they hide behind the race card, then its true.

At 12/12/06 07:28 PM, Oblivia wrote: Whatever happened to the freedom of speech? Yeah, it's bad call someone racial slurs, but what about people who say Bush is an idiot or something like that will piss off a certain group. In the United States Bill of Rights, the freedom of speech is not to be put down at any manner regardless of how bad it is.

But this Bill doesnt prevent people from slapping you if you insult them.

i don't think it is nice to call black people the "n" word or other racial slurs like that but but it's probably not going to stop it by having a camaign against saying it, and if it does become against the law to say it or something then homosexuals or mexicans are gonna make it against the law to say fag or beaner or cunt and then we are going to live in a world where a quarter of free speech is ripped out because they felt offended. and they're just words, but i do not think that it is a good thing either

Can't we all just get along?

At 12/12/06 06:34 PM, jerkyperky2003 wrote: Isn't it ironic.
It took a ballistic white man spewing the "N" word for black leaders to finally call on Black America to stop using the racial slur.

On Monday, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and other black leaders applauded comedian Paul Mooney for agreeing to stop using the "n-word."

I suppose these black leaders are better late than never. But why not call out P. Diddy, Chris Rock, or Russell Simmons on this issue? Who really cares anymore about Paul Mooney?

Also, this recent "ban the "N-word" campaign shows just how far behind black leaders really are on this issue. Activists have been raising awareness about the unacceptable use of the slur.

I find in my school that black's, or african americans, or whichever term they feel describes them most politely, tend to use the N word [N!gg@] more then the white student in my school do.

it's similar to the term witch, 400 years ago that would would ensue a riot of violence and negativity, now it's used as [sometimes] as a minor insultive term, as well as a fantisy and semi whimsical term. The same thing happens to words over time, they get worn out, recycled, and reused.

You can't ban a word, for one, it's impossible to enforce completely, and two, the law cant change peoples behaviours, only outside influences like the media, teachers, and parents can. And once again, living in a jewish school we actually take a COURSE on tollerance. [which is very degrating if your white like i am, but i dont mind that much, but i will tear my arms off if i have to watch remember the titans again, cause i HATE football movies.]

Derogatory terms will be forever in the human language, ever changing, but ever vigalent.

At 12/28/06 09:23 PM, Bolo wrote:

You're forgetting, cellardoor6, that none of these other ethnic groups were enslaved by white people for 200 years. I think the African-Americans are justified in calling for the end of usage of this word.

I don't see how this justifies anything, and besides the term n*gger is about silly anyway, there are much more interesting words to use on a black person that calls your a cracker, honkey, or trailer trash, like... lets see... Bootlip for starters. then you got Porch monkey, Yard ape, Back Yard Baboon, future tree ornament, 'Coon, Trash picker, Dog food, old farm equipment, velcro head, Chain Gang, silly gorilly... i could go on for 7,000 more keystrokes...

if they wanna cry about slavery they should take a look around em, their ancestors were slaves, not them, of course look on the side of the road, i see black picking up garbage all the time where i live, i reckon they can't break the cycle afterall, we release their ancestors and, over 100 years later they are STILL scratching their heads trying to figure out what to do, when nothing comes to mind they go and break and law, and BAM, into prison and into free or very cheap labor.

Sigh... I hate when i see threads like these because they are almost certain to spawn a perpetual array of mind-numbing drivel from over-excited morons with no valid points to make. I usually refrain from adding my two cents to these things, but I seem to have an extra two pennies in my pocket right now, so I'd just like to add the following:

As an African-American, the one thing I would like for people to understand is that there is a vast, VAST difference between black people and "ni99ers" or "ni99az". Black people are your everyday folk who just happen to be brown or tan-skinned, people who work for a living, go to school everyday, raise children to the best of their ability, try to be good and productive citizens and try to maintain a respectful attitude toward everyone around them in the hope that such action will garner the same level of respect from their peers. Yes, there are certain social and economical setbacks that exist as a result of African-American ancestry, and black people choose not to blame ANYONE for their problems and instead recognize that fact for what it is and do their best to work through it in order to make better for themselves and those around them. Black people seek to promote the peaceful and effective elimination or at least the dampening of those setbacks within American society, so that all ethnic groups can come that much closer to functioning on an equal level in our national landscape. Black people are just like every other kind stranger or friend you have. good people. and I am proud to be a Black person.

The one thing Black people detest more than anything else is ni99ers/ni99az. Ni99ers/ni99az constitute a small but very extremely noticeable portion of Black america, and are the polar opposite of everything that Black people strive to be. They are the ones who rebel against anything good and productive in society. They are the ones who are lazy and ignorant, who look at being educated as some kind of stigma, and who look at drug dealing and pimping as laudable achievements. Ni99az have no ambition and are the ones who constantly complain about "the white man" holding them back, but fail to realize that if they only put in the effort to finish school and pick up a pen and fill out a job application, they could stop spending their every waking moment leeching off of good, hardworking people in more ways than we wish to count. Ni99az are the ones who will stab someone for "dissin' their mama", but then turn around and beat the mother of their child to a pulp for "eyeballin' another ni99a", in a disgusting show of distorted respect for his female counterparts. They are the ones who will blow a fuse if a white person even echoes the "N" word in their presence, but will then stand in public view and utter every ugly word that can be hurled in the general direction of any ethnic or social group and fail to see the hypocrisy time and time again. In short, ni99az make Black people sick.

Ni99az are a cancer upon the face of america, and for every crack they put in the shining surface of american society, the consequences of their effects are magnified tenfold for good, hardworking Black people. For every hundred good Black folk in this country, it only takes one ni99a to set us back ten steps and stand out as the stereotypical yardstick by which Black america is judged. It is a shame that this is the case, and if our society is ever to change for the better, we have to find a way to ignore the actions of a few dumb ni99az to instead focus on the efforts of the many good Black people who are working in their own respective small ways to bridge all of the cultural and societal gaps that exist between all ethnic groups in America with every moment of their day to day lives. Hopefully this nation will move in the direction of peace and understanding and we will learn to see the good in each other without having to squint through the stinking cloud of negativity that a few "bad apples" emanate with their attitudes and actions.

That's about all I have time to say, and it's just as well because I'm all out of pennies. Peace.

At 1/10/07 01:16 AM, ZeroNuclear wrote:
As an African-American, the one thing I would like for people to understand is that there is a vast, VAST difference between black people and "ni99ers" or "ni99az". Black people are your everyday folk who just happen to be brown or tan-skinned, people who work for a living, go to school everyday, raise children to the best of their ability, try to be good and productive citizens and try to maintain a respectful attitude toward everyone around them in the hope that such action will garner the same level of respect from their peers.

True, but, forget my ingnorance. but isnt most racism aplied to the 'Ngaz?" Ive met hundreds of black people who receve my upmost respect, but the ngaz only seem to throw that out the door. The ones who to be "Gangsta" seem to be against what martinluther king fought for. and if they are against Dr.King, they are against equality, wich meens the are against america and what it stands for.

Yes, there are certain social and economical setbacks that exist as a result of African-American ancestry, and black people choose not to blame ANYONE for their problems and instead recognize that fact for what it is and do their best to work through it in order to make better for themselves and those around them. Black people seek to promote the peaceful and effective elimination or at least the dampening of those setbacks within American society, so that all ethnic groups can come that much closer to functioning on an equal level in our national landscape. Black people are just like every other kind stranger or friend you have. good people. and I am proud to be a Black person.

And you should be proud. i would support anyone who sopports equality. and good, blameing someone with out any legitimacy will only do bad things for the country.

The one thing Black people detest more than anything else is ni99ers/ni99az. Ni99ers/ni99az constitute a small but very extremely noticeable portion of Black america, and are the polar opposite of everything that Black people strive to be.

well, i really dont know if small is the word, but highly concetrated in certain areas does the trick,
They are the ones who rebel against anything good and productive in society. They are the ones who are lazy and ignorant, who look at being educated as some kind of stigma, and who look at drug dealing and pimping as laudable achievements. Ni99az have no ambition and are the ones who constantly complain about "the white man" holding them back, but fail to realize that if they only put in the effort to finish school and pick up a pen and fill out a job application, they could stop spending their every waking moment leeching off of good, hardworking people in more ways than we wish to count. Ni99az are the ones who will stab someone for "dissin' their mama", but then turn around and beat the mother of their child to a pulp for "eyeballin' another ni99a", in a disgusting show of distorted respect for his female counterparts. They are the ones who will blow a fuse if a white person even echoes the "N" word in their presence, but will then stand in public view and utter every ugly word that can be hurled in the general direction of any ethnic or social group and fail to see the hypocrisy time and time again. In short, ni99az make Black people sick.
honestly, my constitution of them is whearing thin too. gangs are a aristocracy, is ther equality there? well, are kings equal to serfs in aristacracy? nope. its also fuedalism and capitalsm in play.

Ni99az are a cancer upon the face of america, and for every crack they put in the shining surface of american society, the consequences of their effects are magnified tenfold for good, hardworking Black people. For every hundred good Black folk in this country, it only takes one ni99a to set us back ten steps and stand out as the stereotypical yardstick by which Black america is judged. It is a shame that this is the case, and if our society is ever to change for the better, we have to find a way to ignore the actions of a few dumb ni99az to instead focus on the efforts of the many good Black people who are working in their own respective small ways to bridge all of the cultural and societal gaps that exist between all ethnic groups in America with every moment of their day to day lives. Hopefully this nation will move in the direction of peace and understanding and we will learn to see the good in each other without having to squint through the stinking cloud of negativity that a few "bad apples" emanate with their attitudes and actions.

Zero nuclear, your two cents are a great investment, if i wasnt broke at the moment, id give you a doller in return. i had just lost a friend to gang violence. its a shame that this plague hasnt been fully cured.

Banning the freedoms of words--stupid, and ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Paul Mooney says the N-word quite frequently.

And I'll explain why: Once we start banning things, there will always the logic of ''Well if we banned x then we should be able to ban y''. Black people use the word as a term of endearment usually, and it still is and always will be widely known. It's something that can only be accepted if a black person were to say it. Which god-willingly, I could live without. The word has a deep context and can get you killed if said in the wrong location or time.

In short, the word will always have a disputed context, will always be known, and cannot be fully enforced.

this reminds me of the: "negerzoen" this was a dutch delight, it was nothing more than a bit of wipped cream closed in some chocolate.
the word n199er could be translated to neger (the dutch version) but neger still doesnt have the same load. So inspirated by ther american examples the dutch N199ers also went beserk and the ancient dutch pasterie, has been renamed.

Zero Nuclear, you inspire me, dude. Seriously, I got a little choked up at your post. You represent everything that is right with America. Good on you, man.

Banning a word is something Hitler would have done.

People have the right to call someone a n*gger, even though it isnt right. Let them get beat up.

Well, well, well...
Freedom of speech VS a single racial slur.
Basic right in the US of A VS Word with no clear definition in meaning (It can be a synonym to "friend", but also a largely racistic insult)
Well, let's make a guess at what'll win, shall we?

Anyway...
I think, well know, that words can hold a very great effect when used in a certain manner against other people.
Heck, I'd say that each of you could probably go out to every african-american there is, and think up much worse insults than "The N word".
When you wake up tommorow, try to think up, Not use, THE worst insult against a certain person.
And then ask yourself if you would ever use that.

Back to "The N word".
The mere fact that we can't say "N!993r" here, or most other places, but must resort to poor abbreviations such as "The N word", is evidence that "Freedom of speech." Is turning into "Freedom of speech, EXCEPT..."
And if society accepts that, then it is willingly paving the way for a society dominated by the once oppressed.

At 1/10/07 02:22 PM, MightyMightyKirk wrote: Zero Nuclear, you inspire me, dude. Seriously, I got a little choked up at your post. You represent everything that is right with America. Good on you, man.

Glad to. It's only my opinion, but if it helps other people see things in a more positive light, then there can't be anything wrong with that.

At 1/10/07 01:16 AM, ZeroNuclear wrote:

Hopefully this nation will move in the direction of peace and understanding and we will learn to see the good in each other without having to squint through the stinking cloud of negativity that a few "bad apples" emanate with their attitudes and actions.

Amen.

I hope you can wash off the stench those uncivilised imbecils leave on your race. It'll do us all good.