Pinochet Dead.

[ChocloMan]

Pinochet, the chilean dictator, died today.

http://www.emol.com/noticias/nacional/detalle /detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=238569 (in spanish)

He was very weak after a heart failure he had a week ago.

Now, I'm between joy and anger. I'm happy he died because about 30% of the world's evil is gone, yet angry because he wasn't judged, and the investigations will stop. Also the people involved will not fall with him, AND he will probably be buried with military and presidential honors. What the fuck >:(
I'll try to see if I can get a BBC article or something.

Discuss.

[cold-as-hell]

I wouldnt mind that db9

[JakeHero]

Well, Pol Pot died peacefully so it's only fair Pinochet did as well.

[Der-Lowe]

What I can't understand is why some people still support him.

[Empanado]

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: What I can't understand is why some people still support him.

Money, mainly. And quasi-fascism.

With that being said, I can't say that his death saddens me in the least.
I'm not much of a hater, but all I can say is...
Rest in hell, you piece of shit.

[Der-Lowe]

At 12/10/06 01:35 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: What I can't understand is why some people still support him.

Money, mainly. And quasi-fascism.

With that being said, I can't say that his death saddens me in the least.
I'm not much of a hater, but all I can say is...
Rest in hell, you piece of shit.

What really makes me mad is that attitude of feeling sorry for them now that they're old and weak. I mean, why should I feel sorry for him, being the cause of the death of so many?

[AFAR]

uh oh..... its erdlowe again using no examples and sounding like a five year old who doesnt know what he's takling about....
anyways, to stay on topic I just cant wait for castro to kick it.....

[Mr-Pope]

Thatcher'll be next, they always go in pairs.

[Der-Lowe]

At 12/10/06 01:48 PM, AFAR wrote: uh oh..... its erdlowe again using no examples and sounding like a five year old who doesnt know what he's takling about....
anyways, to stay on topic I just cant wait for castro to kick it.....

Hello there, stoner! My post is on topic, because I'm talking about Latin American dictators. If you consider my post off-topic, then yours is too, because you're are talking about Castro, a Latin American dictator.
And believe me, I know what I'm talking about, my family has lived dictatorships very closely, and some people very close to my family have died, so I suggest you do what I do when I don't know about the subject being discussed, ask or simply shut up.
Anyway, let go of drugs, and elipsis, too.

; PS I'm Der-Löwe, not erdlowe

[Excalibur27]

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: What I can't understand is why some people still support him.

Probably for their same reason support Castro.

They're too busy engulfed in the hatred of another nation to see his flaws, and the ones that arent are either trying to assasinate him or forming an underground resistance to force him to step down.

[AFAR]

wow derlowe...... once again you dont know what anyone is talking about..... I honestly think UR the one whos stoned.....
anyways yeah castro is only still in power because he is against america and that seems to get you a free pass to do whatever you want most places these days..... He represents the resistance to "the man" kind of like the hippie lifestyle of the 60s... completely ridiculous but embraced for the sheer concept of it....

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 12/10/06 01:43 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:35 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

I mean, why should I feel sorry for him, being the cause of the death of so many?

Because forgiveness is one of the most honorable human traits.

[Excalibur27]

ya know that whole sixties "down with the man" thing might have actually caght on if they hadnt taken it to such extremes.

Extremes like drugs, nudist colonies (no one wants to see a naked plumber), the free love movement, the "feminist" movement (it would have Susan B Anthony cringe) in the 70's and 80's ,portraying delicious steak as murder, and telling people that having pets is oppresive.

Racial equality and limiting corporate power (the good things Hippies stood for) would have really caught on.

[Excalibur27]

In order for a man to be truly forgiven, he would first have to feel remorse for his actions.

[Slizor]

Probably for their same reason support Castro.

They're too busy engulfed in the hatred of another nation to see his flaws, and the ones that arent are either trying to assasinate him or forming an underground resistance to force him to step down.

You're not seriously comparing Castro to Pinochet are you?

[Excalibur27]

Sort of.

Im comparing the reason that his people didnt notice his flaws so much as the rest of the world, but not their character.

Just the reason for the people they govern being largely oblivious

[Der-Lowe]

At 12/10/06 02:37 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:43 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:35 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

I mean, why should I feel sorry for him, being the cause of the death of so many?

Because forgiveness is one of the most honorable human traits.

I'm not talking about forgiveness, they should be forgived once they pay for what they have done. I'm talking about the hypocritical attitude some people have of "looking at him, poor man". He's not a poor man, he stole tax-payer's money, he killed civilians, and he got away with it.

[Flashfire]

It's hypocritical to condemn Pinochet but not Castro, I'm glad people on the left and the right here seem to agree wih this.

Pinochet killed about 3000 but how many has Castro killed in his long reign? Is it any worse because the murders were spread out over time?

Pinochet gave up power and Chile propered (at the expense of human life) whereas Castro has been dictator for life in Cuba and Cubans have a low standard of living.

It's like comparing Hitler and Stalin, they're all evil tyrants.

[JakeHero]

At 12/10/06 02:45 PM, Slizor wrote: You're not seriously comparing Castro to Pinochet are you?

You're right, Castro is far worse, there's no comparison.

[Der-Lowe]

At 12/10/06 04:40 PM, BanditByte wrote:

At 12/10/06 02:45 PM, Slizor wrote: You're not seriously comparing Castro to Pinochet are you?

You're right, Castro is far worse, there's no comparison.

I can't say one is worse than the other, like Flashfire said, they're all evil tyrants.

[ChocloMan]

Excalibur, stop talking out of your ass please. You don't know why people still support Pinochet. It wasn't (or at least not the major reason) because people were against some other country. like Empanado said, money and quasi-fascism.

[emmytee]

At 12/10/06 01:52 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: Thatcher'll be next, they always go in pairs.

Amen

[JakeHero]

At 12/10/06 05:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: I can't say one is worse than the other, like Flashfire said, they're all evil tyrants.

This is true. Pinochet was the spawn of Satan and if there is a hell he is undoubtably there, but Castro has killed more people with his political ascension and even maintains a life dictatorship, whereas Pinochet forwent this when he realized his people hated him and under pressure from foreign governments.

[Empanado]

At 12/10/06 01:20 PM, BanditByte wrote: Well, Pol Pot died peacefully so it's only fair Pinochet did as well.

Heh. Well, there's some degree of logic in that. However, as previously stated by several people here, they're all evil tyrants. No one can seriously and truthfully be considered "more" than the other. The intent and the disregard for human life is the same, the only thing that truly changes are the circumstances. Otherwise the whole thing would resemble a trading card game.
"Hey, my Nicolae Ceaucescu was executed on live television by an angry populace! That's worth half a Pol Pot and two Alfredo Stroessners!"

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 12/10/06 02:54 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 02:37 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:43 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:35 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

He's not a poor man, he stole tax-payer's money, he killed civilians, and he got away with it.

I love how you rank stealing tax payer money with killing civilians.

[Excalibur27]

Voicing an opinion isnt "talking out your ass".

If it is then everyone on these forums, including you, is doing just that.

[Der-Lowe]

At 12/10/06 08:06 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/10/06 02:54 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 02:37 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:43 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:35 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

He's not a poor man, he stole tax-payer's money, he killed civilians, and he got away with it.

I love how you rank stealing tax payer money with killing civilians.

I ranked nothing, those were the crimes he was charged for, corruption and violation of human rights.

[ChocloMan]

At 12/10/06 08:24 PM, Excalibur27 wrote: Voicing an opinion isnt "talking out your ass".

If it is then everyone on these forums, including you, is doing just that.

"
They're too busy engulfed in the hatred of another nation to see his flaws, and the ones that arent are either trying to assasinate him or forming an underground resistance to force him to step down."

I didn't see an 'I think' or 'In my opinion'. Just a 'probably', and you said that with nothing to back it up. That's not an opinion, that's talking out of your ass.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 12/10/06 09:03 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 08:06 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/10/06 02:54 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 02:37 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:43 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:35 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 12/10/06 01:30 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

I ranked nothing, those were the crimes he was charged for, corruption and violation of human rights.

Looks like his punishment was really severe.

An old man living in wealth that dies in his sleep.

[Piromano]

YES! Now Chile might be united!
Now is Tatcher's and Videla's turn---
And the list continious...