Eye for an Eye

[BullRat]

Since people have been bringing up the topic of what to do with Sadam (or Osama) when we find him, it makes me wonder... Just what do the lovely people on Newgrounds have to say about torture methods, death sentences, and cruel-and-unusual-punishment? Personally, I fully support the whole eye-for-an-eye rule... Besides, the Taliban didn't mind when they murdered all our innocent civilians that were trapped in the Towers, so why should they mind when we bomb the hell out of them and their cities? Or am I too sadistic in my thinking?

[BullRat]

... I hope I didn't mis-spell anything, or make any stupid typos. Please ignore any mistakes you may find.

[Jimsween]

At 4/7/03 01:11 AM, kittie_cross wrote: Since people have been bringing up the topic of what to do with Sadam (or Osama) when we find him, it makes me wonder... Just what do the lovely people on Newgrounds have to say about torture methods, death sentences, and cruel-and-unusual-punishment? Personally, I fully support the whole eye-for-an-eye rule... Or am I too sadistic in my thinking?

REOWWWW HISSSSS... What happened to the pacifist kittie? Oh well she's gone time to chop off Saddams fingers...

[TheShrike]

Screw 'em both. And their followers.

I favor the death penalty, btw.
The system isn't perfect, and sometimes the innocent slip by... But it is one hell of a deterant as well as the most important lesson the convicted can receive. Kinda like being banned for life from NG *gasp*

[NJDeadzone]

Saddam and Osama are nothing without the anti-support of viewers like you...

[TheloniousMONK]

At 4/7/03 01:35 AM, TheShrike wrote: But it is one hell of a deterant as well as the most important lesson the convicted can receive. Kinda like being banned for life from NG *gasp*

Oh yes, heaven forbid people actually get a life.

[Ted-Easton]

There's things that either are worse than the death penalty or should take it's place.
Lifetime public servitude- you spend your entire life sweeping streets under guard. Your entire life scrubbing toilets in Grand Central Station with a toothbrush (under guard).
Punishments need to be public and open to serve as an effective deterrant.

[NEMESiSZ]

At 4/7/03 01:12 AM, kittie_cross wrote: ... I hope I didn't mis-spell anything...

*misspell

[OpIvy420]

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
Ghandi

If the United States starts torturing prisoners, no matter who, how are we any better than the Iraqis?

[mysecondstar]

turn the other cheek. show compassion to your enemies as you would your friends and it will all stop. an eye for an eye will always lead to more pain and suffering for more people.

instead of biting back when bitten, we should flood them with compassion and understanding to try and lift any questions of fears that they may have of us. and once we get all the kinks out, there will be no more fighting because we will have a better understanding of one another. Vengence shall be the Lord's if you believe in that stuff. we shouldn't hold it upon ourselves to pass judgement or fight with one another because we feel like we have been wronged.

granted it not only takes a great deal of humility to even be compelled to not fight, and it would only be possible in a perfect world, but that's what we have strive for, is it not?

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/8/03 12:58 AM, mysecondstar wrote: granted it not only takes a great deal of humility to even be compelled to not fight, and it would only be possible in a perfect world, but that's what we have strive for, is it not?

not really. ghandi could manage it. he managed to save the indians from persecution. it took him years but he did it. unfortunately, people like ghandi usually get shot by people like hitler.

there are far too many hitlers in this world.

[akpylit]

How bout stocks or public flogging, since the means and methods they like to impose seem midevil and barbaric. How bout lock em in the stocks on the steps of the capital and hand out tomatos? It's so silly, it just might work...........

[Anarchy-Balsac]

you can't make him suffer enough to account for all the people he's tortured. just give him to the new liberated iraqis, it's the fairest thing you can do. reports say he may be blown up(again) we'll see about that huh?

[Nightshadeplus]

At 4/8/03 04:49 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: you can't make him suffer enough to account for all the people he's tortured. just give him to the new liberated iraqis, it's the fairest thing you can do. reports say he may be blown up(again) we'll see about that huh?

Which Iraqis, the ones that support him or hate him? And yes, there are Iraqis that support him or did support him depending on whether the sucker is still alive. If the coaliton troops manage to capture him in one piece, just like the song says, send him to jail "where the love is taboo." :P

I'm not one to favor "an eye for an eye" and all that. I believe in love. For this world is made of love & peace. :D

I believe in justice.

[D2Kvirus]

Considering the farcical state of the Milosevic War Crimes trial at present, can you imagine how the trials of bin-Laden (in the very unlikely chance of finding, let alone capturing, him) or Saddam would go?

After all, look at how they treat the remaining Nazi war criminals; seriously, how long before you can claim "justice" for The Holocaust and other activities? Would the same happen for Ba'ath party trials, where suspects are rounded up for decades until the moral slate can be claimed to have been wiped clean?

[JMHX]

IF we find him. As of now, finding either of them is quite a big IF.

[D2Kvirus]

At 4/8/03 11:18 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: IF we find him. As of now, finding either of them is quite a big IF.

Yes, Saddamn has had a slight case of death three times in the past week. Obviously, he got better.

Is this the new tactic; Can't find 'em? THEY GOTTA BE DEAD!!! Why wasn't this thinking employed during the mystery of Princess Anastacia?

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/9/03 10:01 AM, D2KVirus wrote: Is this the new tactic; Can't find 'em? THEY GOTTA BE DEAD!!! Why wasn't this thinking employed during the mystery of Princess Anastacia?

yer but i think she died. or that might have been the other one. but you got to remember, they werent as sophisticated as us in those days.

[mysecondstar]

At 4/8/03 03:09 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/8/03 12:58 AM, mysecondstar wrote: granted it not only takes a great deal of humility to even be compelled to not fight, and it would only be possible in a perfect world, but that's what we have strive for, is it not?

not really. ghandi could manage it. he managed to save the indians from persecution. it took him years but he did it. unfortunately, people like ghandi usually get shot by people like hitler.

there are far too many hitlers in this world.

Ghandi. that's one. got any others? the list would be very short. the only other person i can thing of is Jesus Christ. now, i want nothing of "oh Jesus isn't a real person. he never existed". Jesus did exist but his claim of being the son of God is debatable at best. just keep in mind that Godliness is a man without sin, and he fit that criteria with no one before or after him following suit. but that's a different topic.

the point is how could a man deny his pride for something greater than himself? i would doubt that you, or even i, would be willing to be a martyr for a just cause without fighting back.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/10/03 03:26 PM, mysecondstar wrote: Ghandi. that's one. got any others? the list would be very short. the only other person i can thing of is Jesus Christ. now, i want nothing of "oh Jesus isn't a real person. he never existed". Jesus did exist but his claim of being the son of God is debatable at best. just keep in mind that Godliness is a man without sin, and he fit that criteria with no one before or after him following suit. but that's a different topic.

yer. but peple liked and respected ghandi. people hated hitler. (esp. jews) ask a man if you think ghandi was a great man and 99% will say yes. the remaining 1% will be right-wing fashist individuals.

the point is how could a man deny his pride for something greater than himself? i would doubt that you, or even i, would be willing to be a martyr for a just cause without fighting back.

i would be willing to be ghandi. in fact id love to be ghandi, but id hate to be a suicide bomber. nobody would remember your name.

[JMHX]

At 4/11/03 03:17 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/10/03 03:26 PM, mysecondstar wrote:

yer. but peple liked and respected ghandi. people hated hitler. (esp. jews)

Naw, I always figured Hitler was admired by them. What a shock...I need to sit down.

[D2Kvirus]

At 4/10/03 03:12 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/9/03 10:01 AM, D2KVirus wrote: Is this the new tactic; Can't find 'em? THEY GOTTA BE DEAD!!! Why wasn't this thinking employed during the mystery of Princess Anastacia?

yer but i think she died. or that might have been the other one. but you got to remember, they werent as sophisticated as us in those days.

Damn, I thought she was that senile Anna Anderson chick. Next up; Kaspar Hauser and how he was actually the Marie Celeste's ship's cat...

[mysecondstar]

At 4/11/03 03:17 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: yer. but peple liked and respected ghandi. people hated hitler. (esp. jews) ask a man if you think ghandi was a great man and 99% will say yes. the remaining 1% will be right-wing fashist individuals.

did i say anything about Hitler, or did i and i'm just scatter-brain? despite that, i'm sure that many people respected Hitler before it became main-stream practice to hate him. that doesn't mean i liked Hitler. if he were to look at me, he'd snicker. and i'd punch him if i could. and facists don't have to be right wing. and any facist, left or right, would hate someone like Ghandi.

i would be willing to be ghandi. in fact id love to be ghandi, but id hate to be a suicide bomber. nobody would remember your name.

so you're telling me that you're willing to die everyday of your life without fighting back. suicide bombers don't fit that description so no worries there. and it isn't a matter if you'd like to ba Ghandi, but can you do exactly what he did? let me put this in perspective. you're a skinny old man with no weapons, you're followers have no weapons, and you have the British Army starring you down with their rifles straight at you. i'll tell ya, it's easier to speak idealistically that it is to act that way.

[FUNKbrs]

back to the topic, I say we get a 1 meter long piece of pvc pipe, and 3 meters of barbwire (gasp, an american using metrics for the foriegners benefit?) stick the pvc pipe up the terrorists ass as far as it will go and then put the barbwire in the pipe (it goes in farther, see?) take out the pvc pipe leaving about 30 centimeters of barbwire in his ass. wrap the barbwire around a tree in the middle of nowhere, and hammer it to the tree, or if you can, weld it into a loop. then leave. hell have the choice of rupturing his colon, or succumbing to the elements (imagine shit leaking into your bloodstream with all the germs it carries). his victims would be allowed to watch and throw stones as extra compensation.

[XkwiziTOnE]

Whoa there are too many types of torture out there to name............

[mysecondstar]

At 4/20/03 12:24 PM, XkwiziTOnE wrote: Whoa there are too many types of torture out there to name............

go for it... name some.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/20/03 12:48 AM, mysecondstar wrote:

i would be willing to be ghandi. in fact id love to be ghandi, but id hate to be a suicide bomber. nobody would remember your name.

so you're telling me that you're willing to die everyday of your life without fighting back. suicide bombers don't fit that description so no worries there. and it isn't a matter if you'd like to ba Ghandi, but can you do exactly what he did? let me put this in perspective. you're a skinny old man with no weapons, you're followers have no weapons, and you have the British Army starring you down with their rifles straight at you. i'll tell ya, it's easier to speak idealistically that it is to act that way.

Exactly. It would seem easy to strap dynamite on you, wear a thick t-shirt and click a button to end it all, but to be Ghandi took many problems. I probably wouldnt be stong enough to be him, but I really would love to be.

[Nirvana13666]

At 4/7/03 01:11 AM, kittie_cross wrote: Since people have been bringing up the topic of what to do with Sadam (or Osama) when we find him, it makes me wonder... Just what do the lovely people on Newgrounds have to say about torture methods, death sentences, and cruel-and-unusual-punishment? Personally, I fully support the whole eye-for-an-eye rule... Besides, the Taliban didn't mind when they murdered all our innocent civilians that were trapped in the Towers, so why should they mind when we bomb the hell out of them and their cities? Or am I too sadistic in my thinking?

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Why would we wanna kill anyone in those cities that don't support the Taliban?

Osama and Saddam have power through fear, if anything they should die but supporters/non-supporters of the Taliban should be dealt with completely differently.

[Nirvana13666]

If anyone has seen "The Clockwork Orange" you'll know what I mean:

Subject them to mental visual imagery of all the terror they caused. Pin their eye lids open and make them watch 24/7. Focus on the death and cold hearted things they both were apart of. Show them their own people that died as a result of there actions. I mean you know how gruesome the movie made those tests. Remember what it did to the main character of the movie? It drove him to a new level of insanity. Then make them spend life in prison with no visitors and no outside time so they can't plot anything. Watch them die knowing how much suffering they cause.

[karasz]

At 4/7/03 01:11 AM, kittie_cross wrote: Just what do the lovely people on Newgrounds have to say about torture methods, death sentences, and cruel-and-unusual-punishment?

personally i think all is fair in love and war... BUT would hold Saddam & Osama in a war crimes tribunal... with a jury that is middle eastern, french, german and russian... and let the good times role...

Personally, I fully support the whole eye-for-an-eye rule...

yeah, its always better to sink to their level...

Besides, the Taliban didn't mind when they murdered all our innocent civilians that were trapped in the Towers,

um... it wasnt the taliban, it was AL-QAEDA... and it really bothers me most people dont make this connection... although it would just be easier to kill all arabs...

so why should they mind when we bomb the hell out of them and their cities?

because THEY could die... or worse yet... lose power

Or am I too sadistic in my thinking?

nomore than i am...