Your Best Argument Against God

[SilentObserver]

Hello fellow Newgrounders!

I just got an assignment from school today to deliver a persuasive speech come Monday.

Even though I go to a Christian school, I thought I would try to present a solid case against God. You see, people who hang out with those of the same beliefs all the time tend to get dogmatic.

That's where you guys can help me, seing as how God's existence such a popular topic here.

If you guys could post messages or links to sites with good, sound arguments against God, it would be much appreciated.

[cellardoor6]

Proof against God usually stems from misinterpreting religious texts or something like that.

Nobody can prove God doesn't exist because nobody can even prove that they exist themselves, or that the universe itself is real.

A human who doesn't know how they got here, doesn't know where they are going cannot possibly prove that God, something that exist soutside of our tiny 3-dimensional universe doesn't exist.

Any human who suggests otherwise is a fool.

[SilentObserver]

I know you can't prove God 100% right or wrong. If He exists, He's not a part of the physical universe. I just want to get some arguments as to why the existence of a god is unlikely.

I'm looking for arguments such as the unfairness or injustice in the world or evolution offering the better explanation to the universe.

Things along those lines.

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[Tancrisism]

At 12/8/06 09:56 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: A human who doesn't know how they got here, doesn't know where they are going cannot possibly prove that God, something that exist soutside of our tiny 3-dimensional universe doesn't exist.

Conversly, you can't prove that it does either.

[Chilling1ce]

Even though I go to a Christian school, I thought I would try to present a solid case against God. You see, people who hang out with those of the same beliefs all the time tend to get dogmatic.

Good luck with that!

Chirstianty is meant for people who have the complicated mind to understand it.

I'm only half way there.....

[Tancrisism]

At 12/8/06 11:41 PM, Chilling1ce wrote: Good luck with that!

Chirstianty is meant for people who have the complicated mind to understand it.

I'm only half way there.....

I'm curious as to what would make you say that. Not that I agree or disagree, but what are your thoughts behind that statement?

[Tomsan]

At 12/8/06 09:52 PM, Grammer wrote: There is no proof against God, unless you're some sort of moron who think The Bible contradicts itself, or something like that.

lol, I know we had this whole discussion already, but I thought you where convinced! even the most religious wise man agree with bible contradictions

but to come back to the topic, I like it that you want to start such a discussion at a catholic school. Maybe you can include that god isnt an answer, because even if he exists, the question of how everything was created remains.

[Enoll]

Since it's unproveeable one way or the other it'd be funnier and
more of a slap in the face to try and prove he exists.

[cold-as-hell]

I got proof. Its called evolution and the big bang. And the simple fact that i dought that noah on the ark could hold 5,000 species of mammals.

[XChainsawX]

god sucks, the whole idea is wrong.
yea sure, no one has a solid proof against "god"

BUT no one has a proof god exists.

the bible itself can be just a random book someone wrote, and it got famus by an accident......

[cold-as-hell]

At 12/9/06 09:34 AM, XChainsawX wrote: god sucks, the whole idea is wrong.
yea sure, no one has a solid proof against "god"

BUT no one has a proof god exists.

the bible itself can be just a random book someone wrote, and it got famus by an accident......

Thats a good point. Im not taking the piss im using an example but how do we know in 1000 years H. G. Wells book war of the worlds isnt going to be a bible. Thats how the bible could have came into play. Guy writes book - book becomes belief - belief becomes obsession.

[Peter-II]

At 12/9/06 09:25 AM, cold-as-hell wrote: I got proof. Its called evolution and the big bang.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Polend]

Alright, a good argument is that energy and atoms cannot be created or destroyed, only altered. So then how could a god create existance if you cannot create energy or atoms?

[cold-as-hell]

At 12/9/06 10:40 AM, Peter-II wrote:

At 12/9/06 09:25 AM, cold-as-hell wrote: I got proof. Its called evolution and the big bang.

What the hell are you talking about?

thats my best argument aganst god

At 12/8/06 09:57 PM, Mercator wrote: "maybe, just maybe, believing in God makes him real"

Indeed even if he does not exist precisly he actually does on the mental level of billions.

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

At 12/9/06 11:58 AM, zeus-almighty wrote:

At 12/8/06 09:57 PM, Mercator wrote: "maybe, just maybe, believing in God makes him real"

Indeed even if he does not exist precisly he actually does on the mental level of billions.

Dont they make pills to stop that.

"why is the voice in my head stop talking?"

[Peter-II]

At 12/9/06 11:51 AM, cold-as-hell wrote:

At 12/9/06 10:40 AM, Peter-II wrote:

At 12/9/06 09:25 AM, cold-as-hell wrote: I got proof. Its called evolution and the big bang.

What the hell are you talking about?

thats my best argument aganst god

Well they aren't very good arguments.

You could at least elaborate and cite the poor design argument, or the appeal to insignificance.

[the-genesis]

do you feel you have no control on wat goes on in your life. god assists and guides everything you do in your life, right? how can one believe that, i want control on my life, i want to experience some things that "god" doesn't believe to be right. i don't feel my choices should be judged by nyone other than myself, i decide who i am, not god.

[RedGlare]

At 12/9/06 11:51 AM, cold-as-hell wrote:

At 12/9/06 10:40 AM, Peter-II wrote:

At 12/9/06 09:25 AM, cold-as-hell wrote: I got proof. Its called evolution and the big bang.

What the hell are you talking about?

thats my best argument aganst god

Well if there your Aces i seriously wouldn't bother i mean the Big Bang is just a theory ,a good theory but still a theory.

And evolution well there is the arguement of where did the very frist stage of life come from? And the whole Evolution guided by God. It may sound weak but is impossible to prove/disprove.

Besides i still say that Thomas Acquinas arguement of first cuase is the best explanation of creation. And that it points to some creater force. I mean like evolution if the entire universe was created by anything physical like just one atom then what created that.

i mean there is that arguement that atoms can't really be created/destroyed but then how did they get there in the first place and what altered them into kickstarting the universe?

[Tancrisism]

At 12/9/06 04:11 PM, the-genesis wrote: do you feel you have no control on wat goes on in your life. god assists and guides everything you do in your life, right? how can one believe that, i want control on my life, i want to experience some things that "god" doesn't believe to be right. i don't feel my choices should be judged by nyone other than myself, i decide who i am, not god.

I'm beginning to question free will though. I'm not religious, but it's possible that psychology and subconscious makes it so there is no such thing as true free will.

[Peter-II]

At 12/9/06 04:27 PM, RedGlare wrote:

No, just no. You don't know anything about anything.

[FeargusMcDuff]

The Christian bible claims that God Is all loving and all powerfull, and all knowing, and he created everything.

However, these do not fit together.

God created everything, yes? He Is all knowing, he knows everything that was, Is, and will be. So he created hell and humans, knowing that some people would sin, knowing that people would be sent to hell.

So God specificly created humans so that the vast majority would spent eternity Is hell, Is constant pain and agony. He Is not all knowing, he Is a evil, twisted torturer. Or he does not know all and Is not all powerfull, so the bible is wrong, If the bible can be wrong about one thing, surely It can be wrong about another thing up to everything.

[theGodlyOne]

At 12/8/06 11:41 PM, Chilling1ce wrote:

Even though I go to a Christian school, I thought I would try to present a solid case against God. You see, people who hang out with those of the same beliefs all the time tend to get dogmatic.

Good luck with that!

Chirstianty is meant for people who have the complicated mind to understand it.

or for peopel who were born catholic...

[fli]

At 12/8/06 09:52 PM, Grammer wrote:

At 12/8/06 09:47 PM, SilentObserver wrote: If you guys could post messages or links to sites with good, sound arguments against God, it would be much appreciated.

Good luck on trying to prove something that can't be done. There is no proof against God, unless you're some sort of moron who think The Bible contradicts itself, or something like that.

Of course there's a few contradictions in the Bible...
Answer me these:
1.) what color rob did Jesus where when he was being lead?
2.) Is there one creation story?
3.) How did Judas kill himself?
4.) What is Jesus' genealogy? (Better yet, who was Jesus' grandfather?)
5.) Can we eat anything on earth?

Look these up and you will see clearly there are two or three different answers depending what scripture you're going to. This to say this is proof against or for God, but to say the Bible is this homogenous book isn't true because an anthology.... several Biblical texts composed by people and put together by people in a span of several centuries.

Whatever is the point, it doesn't really matter if the Bible is homogenous or not... let's look at the way how it's compiled instead of what's being said... Let's look at the themes (such as "Circumcize your heart") and we will see that the message that Christianity funds upon itself is much more truer in that sense than any literal verbatum quote.

[JakeHero]

This topic starter gives me the impression of being lazy......

[Dragon-Smaug]

At 12/9/06 04:58 PM, FeargusMcDuff wrote: The Christian bible claims that God Is all loving and all powerfull, and all knowing, and he created everything.

However, these do not fit together.

God created everything, yes? He Is all knowing, he knows everything that was, Is, and will be. So he created hell and humans, knowing that some people would sin, knowing that people would be sent to hell.

I say that He does not know all that will be, just all that can be. He sees all the possibilities, and guides the path of history when he needs to (i.e. evolution of humans), but leaves individual free will to people. Also hell is a temporary state of being imo.

At 12/9/06 04:11 PM, the-genesis wrote: do you feel you have no control on wat goes on in your life. god assists and guides everything you do in your life, right? how can one believe that, i want control on my life, i want to experience some things that "god" doesn't believe to be right. i don't feel my choices should be judged by nyone other than myself, i decide who i am, not god.

Nope, I don’t believe in fate. Not even Moses was destined from birth to become the man he was, he was just lucky (or unlucky) enough to happen upon a burning bush.

At 12/9/06 10:54 AM, LobsterPhone wrote: Alright, a good argument is that energy and atoms cannot be created or destroyed, only altered. So then how could a god create existance if you cannot create energy or atoms?

How about before time existed? Before time existed, G-d could have created energy and atoms, and then started time and the big bang.

[GRAFITTi]

At 12/8/06 09:47 PM, SilentObserver wrote: Hello fellow Newgrounders!

I just got an assignment from school today to deliver a persuasive speech come Monday.

If it is impossible to prove or disaprove the existence of God, then isn't it just ridiculous for people to waste so much time and invective on the issue?

After all, it is just a discussion on whether or not you are a believer.

[emmytee]

Is god all powerful?Yes?

Therefore can god ceate something he cannot destroy?

People who kill in the name of their chosen deity piss me off plenty, but ignoring that the whole god thing can be quite and interesting debate. I guess I would argue that as there have been literally thousands of religon, it would surely be arrogant to assume that the Christian god is the only god and everybody else was wrong, as the arguments you use to try and prove the existance of your god is easily transferable to any other religon. Say scientology or some other lunatic cult.

[Excalibur27]

IMO Darwins theory of Evolution needs some revisons.

Example

A species will evolve and change to suit their surroundings. In other words out of NECESSITY, not more then neccesary not less than necessary.
But human beings are far more than is necessary.

Some people will argue that it is merely are technology that makes us so superior, so much morre than necessary.

But logically we never should have been able to create the technology we have in the first place.

We never should have been able to move beyond the new stoneage.

Obviously the level of tech a chimp has works, they still exist. Many primates are dissapearing, but that is largely do to OUR interference.

Following Darwins laws the Human mkind is an impossibilty in itself.

[Tomsan]

At 12/9/06 03:51 PM, Grammer wrote:

At 12/9/06 09:07 AM, Tomsan wrote:

At 12/8/06 09:52 PM, Grammer wrote: There is no proof against God, unless you're some sort of moron who think The Bible contradicts itself, or something like that.

lol, I know we had this whole discussion already, but I thought you where convinced!

If we did, I don't remember. However, just because you get the last word, doesn't make you right. There are no Bible contradictions, and if you say there are you are wrong, there is no debating that.

No no I gave you the last word, but I still thought you where convinced, because of you repeating your arguments. but whatever the discussion about bible contradictions is closed I am happy for you, you are so certain of your answer

even the most religious wise man agree with bible contradictions

Name one that aren't declared atheists.

I can only give one example and that is a friend of my father who is a priest, and I base this assumption on some background literature of namely nietzsche, but I understand you dont recognize his arguments

because even if he exists, the question of how everything was created remains.

That would be evolution guided by God.

you dont understand what I am saying. I agree I am a persistan atheist, but I am not gonna admit that there is NO god, because there can be a god!
You on the otherhand are completely blinded by your vision, you are so certain your god is the right one you dont even understand my simplest statements

because even if he exists, the question of how everything was created remains.
Ofcourse you must go back more! its not how the world was created if god exists, its how god was created, its the same paradox. a bigbang sounds weird, and doesnt really create an answer, but a god neither because the question remains, how did god so suddenly appear.