America changing history again.

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A new film is coming out strarring Tom Cruise, about the battle of britain.
This is really fuckin me off, why does hollywood an america think they can just change history so americans come out the heros.
The Battle of Britain is one of the most important parts of British history as, if the germans had won, Britain would most likely of been invaded an Wordl war2 would of most likely been a nazi victory.

Of 5000 pilots who fought in the battle of britain. The magority were British, but there were a fair few Canadian, australian etc as well. There were also 7 americans. Although most certainly chould be remembered for there bravery and for facing hitler before america even joined the war. Howether there isn't actually a confirmed kill between any of them.

Now hollywood are making a film potraying americans winning the battle of britain,
I know it's only a film but america has done it so many times before, pratically stealing history. Also alot of the people take films seriosly and are going to think america was part of the battle of britain when in reality there was no distinguished american there,

I know i'm makin a big think about it but imagine if a British film came out with Royal Marines raising the British flag at Iwo Jima or a film showing the battle of the bulge being won by a hadfull of Good guy Brits. You'd go mad, and fair enough as well.

[MagnusTheRed]

That's not cool, you can't fuck with history! So long as at the start of the movie there is a disclaimer that reads "This is a work of fiction, and has little historical relevence", there isn't a problem. None of that "based on a true story" shit; that can mean anything.

[Smizzoach]

Im in ur history, steelin ur thundar

[Advent-Sinner]

Sounds like utter bullshit to me. Seven damn Americans, and suddenly we won the whole damn war. History eh? We sure love our version of it.

[wwwyzzerdd]

Look bud, either except our dominance or pack your bags and head to GITMO.

[Darkagentx]

At 12/8/06 01:30 AM, Smizzoach wrote: Im in ur history, steelin ur thundar

Hahaha.

If this film is as said here, then this really is what they're doing. And it's not funny. They say "winners write history", but I guess it's now Americans write history.

[cellardoor6]

Oh boohoo

So hollywood is making a FICTIONAL movie about WWII and you get your panties in a bunch.

But nevermind the fact that the ENTIRE British education system distorts its history curiculum in order to maintain and salvage British pride and prestige.

Cry me a river.

I'd also like to see where you got your information about "only 7 Americans" participating.

Nevermind the fact that your country couldn't even equip itselt at that point in the war and was only surviving due to American aide.

[SeizureDog]

At 12/8/06 01:23 AM, zzzzd wrote: Of 5000 pilots who fought in the battle of britain. The magority were British

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Allies had a strength of 1000 planes. The Germans had 2500.

[36Holla]

But its Tom Cruise, so we wont take it seriously here.

Rule breaking #1- jumping on Oprahs couch

[chasemanjansen]

Hollywood and American History never, EVER mix. Unless it's a WWII movie, which then automatically kicks major ass.

[fli]

Yeah-- like the Alamo...

Two fucking movie...
both full of lies.

And the second one was worse because it was trying to pass off as "historical truth."

Trying to make the Mexican Army as this huge thing, when really...
they were so poor that when they shot a canon, mexicans were going back and forth retrieving them!

So much for Santana's "great army."

[cellardoor6]

At 12/8/06 04:41 AM, fli wrote: Yeah-- like the Alamo...

Two fucking movie...
both full of lies.

And the second one was worse because it was trying to pass off as "historical truth."

Trying to make the Mexican Army as this huge thing, when really...
they were so poor that when they shot a canon, mexicans were going back and forth retrieving them!

So much for Santana's "great army."

Huh?

Dude when the battle of the Alamo took place it was only a few soldiers and civilian militia guarding it, facing thousands of better-equipped Mexican soldiers.

It doesn't matter the condition of the entire Mexican army (even though it was actually a very well-to-do military back then) but the significance of only 200 Americans (mostly civilians) fighting off an entire professional army equipped with artillery and outnumbering them many times over.

[fli]

Oh and that really sappy scene...
that paraplegic dude who wants to fight and gets a guy to cross him over that line...

started out as a rumor and then later became historical fact.

[edhe]

At 12/8/06 03:00 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Oh boohoo

So hollywood is making a FICTIONAL movie about WWII and you get your panties in a bunch.

They've (Hollywood) done it before, most notably in the film Enigma, when the US navy took all of the credit for breaking the enigma code.

But nevermind the fact that the ENTIRE British education system distorts its history curiculum in order to maintain and salvage British pride and prestige.

Do you learn much about American war crimes in your education system?

Cry me a river.

I'd also like to see where you got your information about "only 7 Americans" participating.

Nevermind the fact that your country couldn't even equip itselt at that point in the war and was only surviving due to American aide.

Britain was grateful for US tanks, but you can't claim Britain was relying onthe USA for all of it's weapons - But then again, this coulde be just one example of the brilliantly "undistorted" education you get in America.

:USA, USA, USA
(just reading the subcontext there.)

[Bunzi]

At 12/8/06 04:30 AM, christmasjansen wrote: Hollywood and American History never, EVER mix. Unless it's a WWII movie, which then automatically kicks major ass.

yeah? Well pearl harbor fucking sucked!

It's fantastic that every country has their own version of history. The thing is, no one goes to the fucking movies to learn about history. I don't give a shit about the alamo, I don't give a shit about some pilots. I want to see shit blow up and some dude fucking a chick.

If you actually give a shit about historical accuracy in a movie then you are a jack ass.

[Earfetish]

To be honest though when I think 'changing history' I think 'altering the history books', not 'bumming Americans in a movie'.

[cellardoor6]

At 12/8/06 05:52 AM, edwardhendryuk wrote:

At 12/8/06 03:00 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Oh boohoo

So hollywood is making a FICTIONAL movie about WWII and you get your panties in a bunch.

They've (Hollywood) done it before, most notably in the film Enigma, when the US navy took all of the credit for breaking the enigma code.

You imbecile. They were FICTIONAL movies. They weren't documentaries and certainly didn't claim to be factual.

But nevermind the fact that the ENTIRE British education system distorts its history curiculum in order to maintain and salvage British pride and prestige.

Do you learn much about American war crimes in your education system?

Yes, the war crimes that ACTUALLY took place, not the exaggerated and out of context lies spread by agenda driven propagandists.

But does your country learn about YOU WAR CRIMES?

Cry me a river.

I'd also like to see where you got your information about "only 7 Americans" participating.

Nevermind the fact that your country couldn't even equip itselt at that point in the war and was only surviving due to American aide.

Britain was grateful for US tanks, but you can't claim Britain was relying onthe USA for all of it's weapons - But then again, this coulde be just one example of the brilliantly "undistorted" education you get in America.

Maybe you should learn about Lend-lease. It wasn't just tanks, it was aircraft, ground vehicles, weapons, ammunition, food, uniforms, shoes, fuel, steel, and other raw materials. And the US provided almost ALL of the war material for ALL the allies individually and combined. Even the Russians received almost ALL of their war material form the US.

And beside, I received alot of my education in Germany, who was at the receiving end of the allied war effort. And they claim exactly what I heard in highschool in the US. What reason do the Germans have to side with the US in their interpretation of history?

USA, USA, USA

(just reading the subcontext there.)

"Yay Britain, lets beg the US to help us, then when they do, lets pretend that we could have survived without them. Then after the war, lets beg them to rebuild our economy and ifrastructure and to protect us from the Soviets. Then when they do, and the threat is no longer there lets all forget about ti. Let's become a country of ungrateful, crooked-tooth imbeciles and continue to bite the American hand that feeds us"

British pride is a joke. You have nothing to be prideful about. The country that defeated you in war and gained its independence from you is now the foundation of your existence and the only reason your country exists today.

You british people are very cute when you pretend otherwise.

[edhe]

Cellardoor6

Are you unable to make a coherent argument, without descending into petty name calling?

I've seen some of your posts, and when someone disagrees, they are immediately branded an idiot (sometimes a 'fucking idiot')

But I digress.

It may only be a film, but film has been used for propoganda for years, and it's still done. Even that 9/11 film is a minor form of propoganda.

Britain doesn't learn about "it's war crimes" but neither do you. Come back from that without saying "Well you don't learn about your war crimes".

You live up to the stereotype of the typical U.S Gun nut (as opposed to other more sensible americans), and I'm deeply surprised ther are people like you who would so audaciously disrespect the British soldiers who put their lives up for the war.

[Rosenrot-I]

At 12/8/06 01:30 AM, Smizzoach wrote: Im in ur history, steelin ur thundar

Liek dis?

[4Doctodragon]

Please kill yourself, make it quick too

[LinkSilvermane]

At 12/8/06 01:30 AM, Smizzoach wrote: Im in ur history, steelin ur thundar

Lol, genius.

[Semiurge]

At 12/8/06 03:08 AM, WoebegonenessIsSad wrote:

At 12/8/06 01:23 AM, zzzzd wrote: Of 5000 pilots who fought in the battle of britain. The magority were British

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Allies had a strength of 1000 planes. The Germans had 2500.

You sir, Have my respect.

[Smizzoach]

At 12/8/06 06:30 AM, Rosenrot-I wrote:

At 12/8/06 01:30 AM, Smizzoach wrote: Im in ur history, steelin ur thundar

Liek dis?

No, DAYS OF THUNDAR

[Fluffington]

It's hollywood, What can you do about it?

[cellardoor6]

At 12/8/06 06:28 AM, edwardhendryuk wrote: Cellardoor6

Are you unable to make a coherent argument, without descending into petty name calling?

I've seen some of your posts, and when someone disagrees, they are immediately branded an idiot (sometimes a 'fucking idiot')

Are you unable to respond to someone who provides a more persuasive argument than you without focusing the attention on them personally instead of staying on topic?

But I digress.

It may only be a film, but film has been used for propoganda for years, and it's still done. Even that 9/11 film is a minor form of propoganda.

Propaganda*

Britain doesn't learn about "it's war crimes" but neither do you. Come back from that without saying "Well you don't learn about your war crimes".

Um I said that we DO learn about our war crimes. My college professor makes DAMN sure that we do. But almost all of the supposed 'war crimes' by the US that i have heard Europeans and other imbeciles accuse the US of are either false, aren't war crimes, or are small isolated occurences that are blown out of proportion and taken out of context in order to further an anti-US agenda.

Such as "AMerica iz Like TOtalee WORST than terRoristzz, like ABU GRAIB AND GUANTANAMO, FReE Da FreeDom Fighterzzzz"

The biggest and pretty much the only well documented case of war crimes is Abu Ghraib, which consisted of only 4 US soldiers disobeying orders and abusing detainees. But the world (including the biased British media) blew it out of proportion and suggested that it was the policy of the US to do those things. Then when the culprits who abused the detainees were charged and thrown in jail, nobody even mentioned it, in order to preserve the myth that US soldiers are commiting war crimes with impunity.

But then stupid people have the utter ignorance to suggest that somehow forcing naked detainees to pose in varios positions is comparable to the beheadings and blowing up innocent people that is actually a REAL war crime?

Get a clue. And meanwhile, if you want to accuse the US of war crimes all while your country's media almost NEVER reports violations of international law by your own soldiers. But when British soldiers were accused of war crimes, the BBC reported it as "coalition soldiers" rather than revealing the fact that British soldiers under British command had committed war crimes.

I wonder how much airtime the video I linked (that you ignored) was given in the UK? Then compare that to the constant and perpetual coverage of the ridiculously miniscule behavior of 4 US soldiers in Abu Ghraib.

So when US soldiers do something, its a war crime to be broadcast across the world and used as propaganda. But when British forces do it, lets just ignore it or blame it on the US somehow.

You live up to the stereotype of the typical U.S Gun nut (as opposed to other more sensible americans), and I'm deeply surprised ther are people like you who would so audaciously disrespect the British soldiers who put their lives up for the war.

Oh shut up. I didn't disprespect British soldiers who sacrificed their lives for their country at all. Individual British soldiers fought just as bravely as US soldiers did for the most part. But the British military, political, and economic efforts were futile without American assistance, party because British leadership was crap.

I just stated the pure but inconvenient truth that Britain was/is dependent on the US and despite the prideful claims of misguided British nationalists, they were lifted up by the boot straps in WWII and even the relative power of the British military today is owed to US technology sharing and cooperation.

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At 12/8/06 06:09 AM, CrimsonEdge wrote:

If you actually give a shit about historical accuracy in a movie then you are a jack ass.

I dont give a shit about historicall correctness in films, But Things like this is completely stupid. And people do take information out of films and belive it. Cause they do!

How pissed of with you if a British film was made with the royal marines raising a British flag at Iwo Jima??? you'd be pissed of.

And Cellardoor6 for fucks sake, your talkin bollocks again. Why are you so Biased towards other countries, Britian in paticular?

Why do you keep saying Britain is distorting history, coming from you who said The Sucess of WW2 was 80% american input. lol

What is the goverment hiding from us then? how come we have no pride.
British history has it's dark parts (Ireland mostly) But we get taught that alot,

What country doesnt have dark parts,
You keep saying Europe are scum with our imperialistic ways and our fighting with each other.
As soon as america became independent you had wars with your bordering countrys and started colonising smaller places. Anyway america is european

And you are disrespecting British soldiers because you keep saying how shit they were an how shit they did.
The Nazi's overwelmed the british forces in france,. It doesnt make them rubbish or inferior to American. I expect america would of been, I mean Hitler nearly managed to do it a second time to the allies. Once the Russians and Americans joined the war, The allies had more power. And could spread there forces.
And and British leaders werent imcopetent in WW2, they were in WW1 but in world war 2 they were actually tacticaly superior than americans it's just they didnt have the numbers., But once america an russia joined the allies could use Sheer Brute force. And More american style tatctics of Crussing a Nut with a sledge hammer.

I'm Proud to be British and i'm Proud of Britains large part in world war 2
As should you be in americas part, but how you distort history to make it sound as if every one apart from America were imcopetent murderin bastards is pathetic.

Everyone in the world will tell you america distorts history more than anyother country, I expect some down to earth americans will tell you as well.

[Thewests]

Fuck america! Fuck Bush and his white house! and stuff.

[tawc]

At 12/8/06 06:47 AM, FrankTheHedgehog wrote: It's hollywood, What can you do about it?

Judging from cellardoors posts it's not just hollywood!

[HaroFreak]

At 12/8/06 01:29 AM, KAOS-666 wrote: That's not cool, you can't fuck with history! So long as at the start of the movie there is a disclaimer that reads "This is a work of fiction, and has little historical relevence", there isn't a problem. None of that "based on a true story" shit; that can mean anything.

You know how culture works these days.

Make something vaguely resembling the past, and the ones with sub-average intelligence will all believe every word that came out of it.