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At 12/6/06 07:30 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 12/6/06 07:10 PM, bcdemon wrote:

At 12/6/06 05:56 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: imbeciles, fucking imbecile,stupid liberals, delusional creature, pathetic, uneducated, misguided monkey

ROFL, you sound like a 14 year old kid, only a lot less mature.

I take that as a "you win cellardoor, because I can't refute your superior logic. Therefore I only use your name calling as a diversion to pretend that you didn't win the argument"

You take it anyway you want, I don't care anymore. You scream bias and left-wing with shit you don't agree with, I can't contend with that without resorting to your very tactics, which I don't do. And your name calling shows your maturity, or lack there of.

Oh you mean the Palestinian boy that was ACTUALLY shot by Palestinians...

Muhammed Badwan wasn't shot by anyone.

Well this one was.

Muhammad and Badwan are both common Arab names. In fact, its funny because my distant Lebanese family members last name is Badwan Al-Sharmad. Maybe if the site you linked to actually talked about it, it would have been a little bit more clear.

I'm sorry, I forgot who I was talking to. Apparently you have absolutely no skills in looking for something. So here it is:

‘Human shields’

Israeli soldiers continued to use Palestinians as “human shields” during military operations, forcing them to carry out tasks that endangered their lives, despite an injunction by the Israeli High Court banning the practice. A petition against the use of “human shields” submitted by Israeli and Palestinian human rights organizations to the Supreme Court in May 2002 was still pending at the end of 2004.

* In April, Israeli soldiers used 13-year-old Muhammed Badwan as a “human shield” during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Biddu. The soldiers placed the boy on the hood of their jeep and tied him to the front windscreen to discourage Palestinian demonstrators from throwing stones in their direction.

At 12/6/06 05:56 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Besides these "human rights groups" (which you didn't reference to) aren't legitimate sources of information either because they are privately owned and are just as prone to bias and distortion of information to carry out an agenda.

wait, wait, wait. The what is a legitimate source to use? The BBC is too biased, Amnesty Intenrational and Oxfam are too biased, Al jazzera is too biased. Where do you sugegst we get all our information from then?

Amnesty International, Oxfam and other human rigths grousp are evry much a legitimate source of information on many topics. They do alot of research ont heir topics and knwo their shit, they don't just make it up on the spot. I use them in academic papers, peer-reviewed journals use them, the goernments use them, but apaprently theya ren't good enough to be used in NG. God, I woudl hate to know what coutns as a legitmamte source then.

That's the liberal attitude. Lets defend those who do intentionally target civilians thus comitting war crimes. I give them an A+

At 12/6/06 07:27 PM, ShardStorm wrote: Look, NEITHER FREAKING SIDE IS HEROES. both of them have done bad things, both of them have killed civilians.

And that's the problem - the Pro Israel media (there seems to be a contest between the BBC and ITN about who can have the most Zionist agenda) that we have seem to perpetrate this myth that Israel are these poor, innocent victims who are being picked on by the big, bad Arabs.

Bullshit. For the very least, poor innocent victims generally don't have a record for shooting peacekeepers in Palestine or indiscriminatly aiming for civillians, journalists or UN observers and being remorseless for it. And it doesn't help that nobody will ever condemn them for doing so.

At 12/7/06 10:36 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

Bullshit. For the very least, poor innocent victims generally don't have a record for shooting peacekeepers in Palestine or indiscriminatly aiming for civillians, journalists or UN observers and being remorseless for it. And it doesn't help that nobody will ever condemn them for doing so.

That's not the problem. The problem is there are 2 sides here who don't do things that would consider them a "saint" and you're going to blame those who did not instigate the war and follow every UN instruction.

You know that saying of "the lesser of the 2 evils"? Well, in this case, you're 'supporting' the greater.

At 12/5/06 11:08 PM, JoS wrote: What about the UN posts that Israel bombed? Was the UN using human shields too?

Cellar, friend.

You gotta understand half the people who post here are actually middle eastern terrorists, seeking to propagate their hatred of our culture in the form of little 15 year olds anxious for something to rebel against . . . preferably an entity that provides for them and allows them to grow.

Patience and grace.

That is all.

At 12/7/06 11:57 AM, Techware wrote:

You know that saying of "the lesser of the 2 evils"? Well, in this case, you're 'supporting' the greater.

Shhhh, you might wake the kids.

You gotta understand half the people who post here are actually middle eastern terrorists, seeking to propagate their hatred of our culture in the form of little 15 year olds anxious for something to rebel against . . . preferably an entity that provides for them and allows them to grow.

Heh, "our" culture.

Hey cellardweller, I found more links about Muhammed Badwan, that's if you can bring yourself to read about the abuses israel commits.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child- shield.html
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Human_sh ield
http://fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id= 1193
http://humanfirstthenproudiranian.blogspot.co m/2004/04/civilians-as-human-shields.html
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/israe li_army_using_palestinian_children_as_human_s hields.htm
http://www.ihrc.org.uk/show.php?id=1078
http://www.cflweb.org/childrentortured.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0506/p05s01-wom e.htm
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/June_2004/04060 47.html

I tried to find a good old right-wing conservo site just for you, but apparently they don't report on israelis doing bad things. Now, when you open one of these pages, you may have to use this handy tool hidden in your Browsers "Edit" column called "Find". Once you find that option, you can search for BADWAN, that should get you to the story on each page. If you require further assistance, msg me, I am always happy to help the less able.

At 12/7/06 11:57 AM, Techware wrote:
You know that saying of "the lesser of the 2 evils"? Well, in this case, you're 'supporting' the greater.

Actually, the West condemns the Palestinians/Lebanese/Whoever else the Israelis want to shoot at that week, but not the Israelis themselves. If you want a greater evil, it's the one that can act with impunity and knowledge nobody will lift a finger to stop them.

Somebody who shoots back does not make them more evil than the person that shot first.