What is Bush hoping to accomplish?

[biteme2514]

Let's say for a second, that America wins this war. Saddam Hussein is killed and the world is peaceful once more... At least that's what the American government's saying. Personally, I don't see what anyone gained from this war. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's not as if Bush was in a "kill or be killed" situation. The Iraqis weren't even behind the 9-11 thing! Why does Bush feel the need to fight his daddy's war anyways? He's just trying to continue his father's legacy, and he's doing it very poorly... Someone explain all this to me.

By the way, I'm quite aware that I've been starting a lot of threads... I'm just kinda pissed at the American government right now. This is the last one for a while, I promise.

[TheloniousMONK]

At 4/4/03 12:57 AM, biteme2514 wrote:

:Personally, I don't see what anyone gained from this war.

*cough* Operation: Iraqi FREEDOM *cough*

[dr-grogg]

Bush is trieing to be BETTER than his father.

I mean he wants to coninue and "finish" what hes father "started" and so on.

and of course.....the Iraqis have USA's oil (sarkasm).

[Der-Ubermensch]

The Middle east is seen as a region housing hostile elements. The convenient liberation of Iraq will give the United States a vantage point from which to assess the Muslim threat. Who do you think is going to do the rebuilding in Iraq anyway? It's going to be US contractors. People have been ranting about the cost of the war... none of it is squandered;most every cent is poured into the workings of the American economy.

[Alejandro1]

At 4/4/03 08:13 AM, Ruination wrote: The Middle east is seen as a region housing hostile elements. The convenient liberation of Iraq will give the United States a vantage point from which to assess the Muslim threat. Who do you think is going to do the rebuilding in Iraq anyway? It's going to be US contractors. People have been ranting about the cost of the war... none of it is squandered;most every cent is poured into the workings of the American economy.

Damn straight man. Cant these people see that Saddam has been helping the terrorists and has been supporting Osama since the beginning? To answer the question: the US wants to help rebuild Iraq into a prospering free country so we can establish good relations with the Arab countires to reduce the threats of terrorism against the US.

[RydiaLockheart]

I think that maybe Bush believes a war will help the economy. Not only does he feel like fighting his daddy's war, he probably thinks it'll stabilize the economy again. After all, WWII got us out of the Great Depression.

(Speaking of which, there was a financial expert in the paper the other day who said we're bound for another depression. I wish I could remember his name.)

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/4/03 12:57 AM, biteme2514 wrote: Let's say for a second, that America wins this war. Saddam Hussein is killed and the world is peaceful once more... At least that's what the American...

Oil brother, iz all about the oil.

[NEMESiSZ]

Puppet state to stabalize the region, we break up OPEC because Iraq will sell it cheaper to us, and the peace-pipeline can be built.

[RoboTripper]

At 4/4/03 04:33 PM, alejandro1 wrote:
Damn straight man. Cant these people see that Saddam has been helping the terrorists and has been supporting Osama since the beginning? To answer the question: the US wants to help rebuild Iraq into a prospering free country so we can establish good relations with the Arab countires to reduce the threats of terrorism against the US.

I hope that this entire post was done in jest. If not, it is so misinformed as to be offensive. The belief that Saddam is supportive of OBL is the mark of someone who has completely blocked themselves off from reality. The idea that invading and taking over Iraq will establish a base for good relations with Arab countries is just plain crazy. Crazy!

[TheEvilOne]

What we will gain from the war:

-A brutal dictator removed from power.
-A people free to rule themselves.
-A threat of weapons of mass destruction removed.
-A new trading partner, with oil agreements that will be MUTUALLY beneficial (contrary to what anti-war people say, that we'd just be taking the oil from the Iraqi people).
-A nation in the region that is actually friendly to us.

There's plenty to gain.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/5/03 12:51 AM, TheEvilOne wrote: What we will gain from the war:

-A brutal dictator removed from power.
-A people free to rule themselves.
-A threat of weapons of mass destruction removed.
-A new trading partner, with oil agreements that will be MUTUALLY beneficial (contrary to what anti-war people say, that we'd just be taking the oil from the Iraqi people).
-A nation in the region that is actually friendly to us.

There's plenty to gain.

What else do we gain?
-Dead Americans
-Dead Iraquis
-Billions of Dollars in warheads
-Dead reporters
-Hatred toward US by European allies
-Dead British
-Future extreme Terroristic attacks
-Economic resesion
much more

[Commander-K25]

At 4/5/03 12:56 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: What else do we gain?

But what do the Iraqis gain?
-Justice for the dead
-Freedom for the living

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/5/03 01:05 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 4/5/03 12:56 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: What else do we gain?

But what do the Iraqis gain?
-Justice for the dead
-Freedom for the living

I don't think the dead are gonna appretiate it that much. And the living still ahve much respect. THe whole city of Baghdad knows that we are 10 miles away, no matter what Al jazera tells them. They heard explosions nite an day, we took the electricity. They have seen tapes of Sadam so they tihnk he is still alive. If they really weren't loyal, tihnk they would rebel by now?

[Commander-K25]

At 4/5/03 01:13 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: They heard explosions nite an day, we took the electricity.

That's questionable.

They have seen tapes of Sadam so they tihnk he is still alive.

Maybe.

If they really weren't loyal, tihnk they would rebel by now?

They already are. Groups have been rebelling and helping American forces in the south. Areas still under Saddam's control are still scared of Saddam because his thugs are still around.

In Basra, Shi'ite muslims are in revolt. A large mob even surrounded a mosque in which a large group of Fedayeen were hiding and laid siege to them. The Iraqi people are hesitant after years of brutality being rained upon dissidents, but they are starting to come out.

If they are so loyal to Saddam, then why aren't the coalition forces being attacked on all fronts from enraged citizen mobs?

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/5/03 01:21 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

:: In Basra, Shi'ite muslims are in revolt. A large mob even surrounded a mosque in which a large group of Fedayeen were hiding and laid siege to them. The Iraqi people are hesitant after years of brutality being rained upon dissidents, but they are starting to come out.

Shi'ites will probably never help the US. Sunnies we have a good chance, but never the Shi'ites. IF your into Islam, the Shi'ites have the 3 prophets that are warlikle. Sunnies are the 7 peaceful prophets. Well whatever. I am pretty sure we have taken the electricity, the British are doing it to this other city which i have forgotten.

[TheEvilOne]

You say that Sunnis are more likely to help than Shi'ites, but who are the Sunnis in Iraq?

Saddam and his regime, that's who.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/5/03 01:37 AM, TheEvilOne wrote: You say that Sunnis are more likely to help than Shi'ites, but who are the Sunnis in Iraq?

Saddam and his regime, that's who.

There sunnis huh? And the mojority Pop. of Kuwait and Qatar are also Sunnis.

[TheEvilOne]

To clarify my last post: I'm sure that there are Sunnis in Iraq who are dissatisfied with Saddam. But Saddam is a Sunni, and does not represent Iraq's majority Shi'ite population. The Shi'ites don't like him very much. Which side do you think they'll take?

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/5/03 01:40 AM, TheEvilOne wrote: To clarify my last post: I'm sure that there are Sunnis in Iraq who are dissatisfied with Saddam. But Saddam is a Sunni, and does not represent Iraq's majority Shi'ite population. The Shi'ites don't like him very much. Which side do you think they'll take?

There has been a lot of hostility twards the US and shi'ites. They may hate Saddam, but they'd rather burn in hell before they'll help us. Fed up with saddam or not, they will still hate us with a passion.

Wow, my popularity has gone from 6,000 to 400.

[ZombieLennon]

At 4/4/03 01:37 AM, jazz_mazter wrote:

At 4/4/03 12:57 AM, biteme2514 wrote: Personally, I don't see what anyone gained from this war.

*cough* Operation: Iraqi FREEDOM *cough*

Oh yeah, like we seriously give a crap about the civilians in Iraq. I guess that's why we're bombing them. Kill them to give him them freedom. Why don't we bring our troops home so we can fight the war on corruption in the white house? COUGH O PERATIONIRAQI LIBERATION

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/5/03 04:41 PM, Zepplin wrote:

At 4/4/03 01:37 AM, jazz_mazter wrote:

At 4/4/03 12:57 AM, biteme2514 wrote:

:corruption in the white house? COUGH O PERATIONIRAQI LIBERATION

People are scared shitless of Saddam and Allah tells them to hate the US (i guess) they arn't gonna rebel for the fear od Pissing off there god

[karasz]

The US is invading iraq, so they can
1: have a democracy in the region that is also arabian and secular (seperation of church and state)

2: then be able to jump over to syria (which then opens up lebanon, and then jordan will be quite threatened with its borders to the west north and east all democracies)... BUT this is suppose to be seen as a direct 'threat' to saudi arabia to get them to democracize or else... which then should be able to turn the rest of the mid-east into a democracy...

honestly its a good idea in theory... then again, so is marx's communism and a few other things i cant think of right now...

3: this will help get the strong-points of the rimland (europe and japan... part of traditional theory) the oil it needs... as the strong-points of the rimland are quite important to the US to keep its hold on world sole hyper-power...

[DrxFeelgood]

We hope to accomplish getting an excess of oil so I may enjoy 90 cents a gallon for premium so I can keep my happy T/A purring, and continue whoopin' ass on the streets.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 4/5/03 06:44 PM, 70TA wrote: We hope to accomplish getting an excess of oil so I may enjoy 90 cents a gallon for premium so I can keep my happy T/A purring, and continue whoopin' ass on the streets.

Scientific proof has found out that premium does nothing special to the engine or car. And i like your theory. Let's kill off thousands of people, send are army in battle away from home. Have some be captured and tortured. harshed relationships with allies. For... Oil. putting it that way, it is not likely the war is just for the oil.