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At 12/18/06 02:59 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 12/17/06 10:57 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/17/06 03:55 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

No. Women are not better than men. We are equal.

Bullshit, were crude, violent, egotistical, loud and aggressive. Women should be the epitomee of love, caring and honesyt.

Elaberate.

It's expression, you know that women are supposedlly the fairer more gentler and beatifull sex.

At 12/18/06 05:45 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Wow, you have a nice argument.

luckily it wasn't an argument.

At 12/18/06 07:36 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/18/06 02:59 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 12/17/06 10:57 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/17/06 03:55 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

No. Women are not better than men. We are equal.

Bullshit, were crude, violent, egotistical, loud and aggressive. Women should be the epitomee of love, caring and honesyt.

We're definately not equal in religion or polotics, I don't know where you got that from.

But women aren't always love, caring, and honest, and men aren't always crude, violent, or aggressive. That's very stereotypical.

Elaberate.

It's expression, you know that women are supposedlly the fairer more gentler and beatifull sex.

There are some pretty damn ugly women out there! :P

:At 12/18/06 05:14 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

I find it hilarious that people like you can't actually see the fact that there ARE double standards out there, and that NO ONE can change them.

I couldn't agree with you more. Has anyone ever noticed that when a man kills his wife, regardless of the reason (she could be the world's biggest adulterating whore who beats thier children) he is immediately labeled psychotic murderer and animal, while if a woman were put in the same situation, she has merely 'snapped?' Can you honestly say that situations like this are equal?

I'm not gonna lie, I've met women out there who can kick my ass. Every guy has met atleast one who would give them a real run for their money in a fight (and if you haven't yet, you will one day). If any of those girls came at me with intent to harm me, you bet your ass I'd fight back. The rules of self defense apply to women as well as men. "Do whatever is necessary to nuetralize the threat if you are in immediate bodily harm or death." Would I wantonly beat her lifeless? No, not by any means. I would, however, protect myself.

You obviously have mistaken, I made that statement in reference to the fact that some of the double standards in place today are right, and shouldn't be changed.

Regardless of whether a double-standard rule makes sense, or is fair, it's still there, and probably for a reason of some sort.

At 12/18/06 07:36 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/18/06 02:59 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 12/17/06 10:57 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/17/06 03:55 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

No. Women are not better than men. We are equal.

Bullshit, were crude, violent, egotistical, loud and aggressive. Women should be the epitomee of love, caring and honesyt.

Not all women are "the epitomee of love, caring, and honesty" and not all men are crude, violant, ec cetera. That's a stereotype. In fact, I hardly know any girls that are more caring than guys. There are

There are curde women and sesitive men, you know.

Elaberate.

It's expression, you know that women are supposedlly the fairer more gentler and beatifull sex.

You don't get out much, do you. The women in the magic glowing box don't resemble most of the women in real life.

At 12/19/06 02:52 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 12/18/06 07:36 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/18/06 02:59 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 12/17/06 10:57 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/17/06 03:55 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

Not all women are "the epitomee of love, caring, and honesty" and not all men are crude, violant, ec cetera. That's a stereotype. In fact, I hardly know any girls that are more caring than guys. There are

Uhuh.

I'm sure thats what there.

You don't get out much, do you. The women in the magic glowing box don't resemble most of the women in real life.

It's a fucking expression.

Don't insult me if you didn't even no what the fuck it was.

At 11/28/06 04:42 PM, Mercator wrote: My thoughts,

Woman hits a man, woman becomes a man, woman gets her ass kicked like a man.

LOL!!!!
I will start using this phrase from now on.
If a girl is really trrying to kill me I'll kill her first, but hey, some goes to men.
If its not a real hit I wont fight back- same again for men.
Hey, I am just treating eveyone equally, arent I?
Men are generally more powerfull that women (okay so there is many exceptions, such as the emo boy), that means that women should not hit the men, they should have a respect that power.

I think the rule should be "Nobody hit anybody".

I wonder what happens more though:
Men who beat girls
or Men who beat men in the form of assault.

And not only that, but what about the guys in a violent relationship where they are the victim (which is more common than you might think). What are they to do?

There should be more focus on assault and violence in general, rather than men beating girls.

At 12/19/06 11:04 PM, JackLee wrote: I think the rule should be "Nobody hit anybody".

I wonder what happens more though:
Men who beat girls

Men just plain shouldn't hit women unless they become a danger to them, which is a very rare case. Why do you think wife beaters are so shunned in our society?

or Men who beat men in the form of assault.

Assault is a very misused term in todays society, sadly, if you give a guy a wack in the face for getting out of line you're automatically charged with battery, we've become a way too anti-violence society.

And not only that, but what about the guys in a violent relationship where they are the victim (which is more common than you might think). What are they to do?

Get out of the relationship, don't hit the woman, hurt her emotionally, not physically.

There should be more focus on assault and violence in general, rather than men beating girls.

I hope you're another of those anti-violence campaigners who think that anyone involved in a fist fight should get the death penalty.

At 12/20/06 10:23 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 12/19/06 11:04 PM, JackLee wrote: I think the rule should be "Nobody hit anybody".

I wonder what happens more though:
Men who beat girls

Men just plain shouldn't hit women unless they become a danger to them, which is a very rare case. Why do you think wife beaters are so shunned in our society?

or Men who beat men in the form of assault.

Assault is a very misused term in todays society, sadly, if you give a guy a wack in the face for getting out of line you're automatically charged with battery, we've become a way too anti-violence society.

I was referring more to getting hit for no good reason, simply because the guy is just some jerk who has had a few too many drinks and doesn't like you, or because you are at a train station late at night and some guy wants to look cool in front of his friends.

And not only that, but what about the guys in a violent relationship where they are the victim (which is more common than you might think). What are they to do?

Get out of the relationship, don't hit the woman, hurt her emotionally, not physically.

Couldn't you say the same thing about woman in violent relationships? Also, there are certain reasons why some men cannot or do not simply walk away from the relationship. Perhaps the guy has kids, or maybe the wife is vindictive and would make a divorce as painful as possible.

There should be more focus on assault and violence in general, rather than men beating girls.

I hope you're another of those anti-violence campaigners who think that anyone involved in a fist fight should get the death penalty.

If some guys feel they wanna duke it out, or some guy is a fuckhead and deserves it doesn't bother me what the fuck they do. But society isn't like the "good ol days" (if there were any) where two guys one on one would duke it out, nothing below the belt. Nowadays theres probably gonna be a few of his mates who will not only hit you from behind, but also kick you in the head while your unconscious on the ground, and stupid jerks text messaging each other about parties to gatecrash just to fuck shit up.

Hitting a girl is wrong, but so is hitting a guy when he's down, giving a guy a suckerpunch, and generally getting into fights just cause you've got an attitude problem.

At 12/19/06 07:04 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/19/06 02:52 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 12/18/06 07:36 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/18/06 02:59 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 12/17/06 10:57 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 12/17/06 03:55 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

Not all women are "the epitomee of love, caring, and honesty" and not all men are crude, violant, ec cetera. That's a stereotype. In fact, I hardly know any girls that are more caring than guys. There are

Uhuh.

I'm sure thats what there.

The "there are" part was a typo. I ment to delete a sentance, but I didn't delete it comletely.

You don't get out much, do you. The women in the magic glowing box don't resemble most of the women in real life.

It's a fucking expression.

Don't insult me if you didn't even no what the fuck it was.

Don't use an expression if you don't mean it.

it's one thing if a girl hits another girl,but, it's wrong if a guy hits a girl.that's for sure.

At 12/20/06 10:23 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 12/19/06 11:04 PM, JackLee wrote:

Assault is a very misused term in todays society, sadly, if you give a guy a wack in the face for getting out of line you're automatically charged with battery, we've become a way too anti-violence society.

How exactly can a society become too anti-violence?

Women are not as tough or physically abled to fight men. Unless they're butch.

Even when women get their "equality" i still won't be able to hit them.

o, i hate feminists.

At 12/21/06 11:55 PM, Carsito wrote: Women are not as tough or physically abled to fight men. Unless they're butch.

Well, if you are not as tough as someone, than you shouldn't go and pick a fight with them. If you do, than you disearve to get you ass kicked.

Even when women get their "equality" i still won't be able to hit them.

Feminists aren't out to get equality, they are out to MORE powerful than men.

o, i hate feminists.

Feminism is just a socially acceptabe form of sexism.

Tha't why I'm an equalist.

I find this topic very interesting. My thoughts on this, as I won't ever read this thread again, I want to get them all out, for the most part.

Women whine about 'being equal', wanting to be allowed the same jobs, or positions in a company, being able to be just as successful in the economic world as a man, they also want to be able to play the same sports as a man, on the same teams... so, they pretty much want to be the exact same as a 'man', in a way. So, why not let them? Treat them the exact same way you would another guy, they want to join the football team, let them, and don't hesitate to slam them to the ground, they want to work in the stockmarket, let them lose all of their money, they want to hit a man, let them get hit back.

But then again, you have to remember that women are physically inferior in every way compared to a man. They aren't built like a man, they simply aren't made to be able to match a man in sze and strength, therefor you have to respect them as a woman. Sure, they might hit you, but when they hit you, it's more than likely in a playful manner. And when in a case such as that, hitting the girl back is unacceptable, and should be punished by you having your ass handed to you by your peers.

So really, hitting a girl for any reason other than her actually punching you with the intent to harm you is a pussy move.

At 12/22/06 03:11 PM, teh-God-Father wrote: But then again, you have to remember that women are physically inferior in every way compared to a man. They aren't built like a man, they simply aren't made to be able to match a man in sze and strength, therefor you have to respect them as a woman. Sure, they might hit you, but when they hit you, it's more than likely in a playful manner. And when in a case such as that, hitting the girl back is unacceptable, and should be punished by you having your ass handed to you by your peers.

So really, hitting a girl for any reason other than her actually punching you with the intent to harm you is a pussy move.

If you are a woman and you hit a man who is 6' 11'', than you disearve to get your ass beaten into the ground for being a freaking idiot.

The point of the quote is that it states women should not hit men, and men not hit women, but men should uphold this more because they are the stronger ones. Besides, if most women I knew hit me... I would ignore it.

Although this rule does often apply:

At 11/28/06 04:42 PM, Mercator wrote: Woman hits a man, woman becomes a man, woman gets her ass kicked like a man.

At 12/22/06 03:11 PM, teh-God-Father wrote: But then again, you have to remember that women are physically inferior in every way compared to a man.

And that, there, is the bigoted root of the problem. This absurd belief in both men and women that women are naturally inferior in every physical sense except for flexibility. It simply isn't true. It is true that men often work out more, and 18-22 men are strong, but women can be equally as strong, just very few do strength workout routines to become strong. It would be entirely correct to assume that, instead, many of those women are doing "beauty" routines while the men workout.

At 11/28/06 04:36 PM, DunjunKrawlr wrote: I believe that if a woman were to strike me, I should, and in fact do have the moral green light to strike back.

Exactly. Self-defense is necessary.

I am not saying I walk around punching women whenever I get the chance, but the way I see it is, if you cross the line by hitting me, you have opened yourself up for any retaliation I may feel is necessary.

Damn straight.

Recently I have begun to notice women (and I use the term loosely) abusing this 'rule' -- "I kicked him in the balls, because I didn't have to worry about him hitting me back"

Oh, that frosts my nuts. I would be eternally angry if that happened to me.
The simple fact of the matter is, it should never happen. If a man sees a woman tighten her face, and swing her leg backwards, he should have a pretty god idea of what's coming, and should either:

A. swing his fist as hard and as fast as he can
B. Run away a few steps, if he positively can't hurt a woman.

or "I slapped him 'cause I know he wouldn't do anything."

I'll slap back every time. =)
If a woman hits me, she forfeits the right to be treated like a lady, because she ain't no lady, and deserves swift retaliation.

This is annoying to the point of nearly angering me; why should one gender in our modern society be allowed to engage in such behaviors without fear of reprecussions?

Women go to jail for domestic violence, too, you know. I agree there should be equal rights, and where domestic violence is concerned, they are. Become a regular viewer of any daytime court show like Judge Matthis or Judge Hachett, you'll see what I mean.

I'm just for equality here.

word

At 12/23/06 12:04 AM, Draconias wrote: And that, there, is the bigoted root of the problem. This absurd belief in both men and women that women are naturally inferior in every physical sense except for flexibility. It simply isn't true. It is true that men often work out more, and 18-22 men are strong, but women can be equally as strong, just very few do strength workout routines to become strong. It would be entirely correct to assume that, instead, many of those women are doing "beauty" routines while the men workout.

That is true. And I know I've said this many times but you people don't seem to understand: if you are phisically weaker than someone else, do not pick a fight with them for you will get your ass kicked.

For example, if you are a 5' woman and you pick a fight with a 6' 11'' man, you are going to get pounded into a pulp. Period.

I agree with you completely. That "don't hit girls thing" is wrong. I'd try not to, if it was a baby slap or something I probably wouldn't hit back, but if it was again, or if the first time it was a bit harder, I'd hit back. And I wouldn't hesitate.
It's called self-defense, but for those who don't want to think that they needed to defend themselves against a girl, it's equal treatment. There are these commercials of women having power. You want to punch hard, you should be able to take one, too. If a girl beats you in something, they may say "ooh you got hit by a girl." and "don't hit me, I'm a girl." If they truly believe that they cannot withstand a punch, or believe that a person has to be really bad at something for them to win, then maybe girls don't have the self-esteem to vote, or get jobs.
NOTE: I'm NOT saying that women shouldn't vote. I'm asking if you want equal treatment, accept both sides of it.

stop fighting kids

This discussion is funny because it seems that almost everybody is leaning towards the same side, which is: Women and men have equal rights, men should be able to retaliate to women. It would be interesting to see more women involved in this debate, as i'm sure almost everybody, if not everybody here is a man. I, personally, think women that hit men are very self-absorbed and think they can get away with anything. I don't think anyone should hit anyone, shit, there's WAY better ways at getting your revenge/expressing your anger than that. However, if a woman was consistently striking me, I think i'd get a bit peeved and might loose my self control. Here's the best response to this topic i've seen so far:

At 11/30/06 08:27 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 11/30/06 02:32 AM, Benovere wrote: Solution?

Make her boyfriend gay and then spread rumors that her pussy's so nasty that she turned her boyfriend gay.

Now that's 50 times worse than a punch in the tits.

At 1/4/07 09:35 PM, notorious wrote: This discussion is funny because it seems that almost everybody is leaning towards the same side, which is: Women and men have equal rights, men should be able to retaliate to women. It would be interesting to see more women involved in this debate, as i'm sure almost everybody, if not everybody here is a man.

Well, the argument really is something that is usually discused amunst men because MOST women wouldn't want to be hit because it's human nature to think pain = bad.

I agree with most people in this thread that men should be able to retaliate against women because getting rid of double standereds is the only way that we can truely be equal. Women need to stop expecting that men aren't going to hit them back and if they do expect it, I feel the responsibility is on me to go over and punch them in the face.

Why aren't there more wonem in this argument? Come argue with us, I'm tired of every post lobbying for the same thing, damnit.

I don't believe that the "don't hit girls" rule can be set in stone. It simply depends on the circumstance which a man finds himself in, where he can either hit a female in self defense or walk away. Clearly most in this debate believe in equal rights, if someone hits you, you hit them back (even harder, or so I was taught from a young age). I'm female, and I can truthfully say I have never abused the "rule", nor would dream of doing so. I've seen other girls lash out on guys, knowing that they can get away with inflicting pain because they are "inferior" and I'd have to agree with most of you here, its unjust.. hitting a women in self defense should be the loop hole of this rule.

However, as it has already been stated, men normally have a larger and stronger physical frame compared to women but whether their pain threshold is higher is debatable. Anyway, no man should use "self defense" as an excuse to beat a woman senseless, even if she did initiate the attack. Yet, I guess it is circumstantial, you can’t strap this rule on every case. It’s a difficult subject, and to any male reading this my only advice would be to go with your instincts, you’ll know if a female is obviously misusing the “rule” and in addition you will know when your self defense creeps over the boundary of full on attack against someone of lesser strength than you.

If you just think about it you dont need any rules. If you're not raging with anger and just think about it on the spot, you can easily come to the conclusion if your assaulter deserves to be hit back.
Lets say you're in an argument with a women and you accidentaly yell something bad about her sick mother, you dont really have the right to freak out if she slaps you in the face.
But I think men shouldn't just think twice about hitting a women but a also anyone physically inferior to you, and if whatever they did to you really deserves retaliation. But still women have like this little bit of extra right to be left alone even if they struk first, and it never really looks that bad when one of those Sandra Bullock-ish kind of women beats of a geaky guy who surely can't defend himself, but when a women is severly hurt by a man (in a movie), it's almost always one of the most dramatical scenes.
But in real life it's never hard to know what to do.

P.S. It's better not to retaliate in any case if it isn't necessary, but I know that it can be hard sometimes.

At 1/6/07 11:49 AM, Carvel wrote: I've seen other girls lash out on guys, knowing that they can get away with inflicting pain because they are "inferior" and I'd have to agree with most of you here, its unjust.. hitting a women in self defense should be the loop hole of this rule.

That still, in my eyes, does not give "equal" rights.
If the above became the replacement of the rule, it would still only be fair for girls to initiate a cross-gender fight.
Or, in other words, i might acidentally offend a girl, she slaps/punches/kicks me, THEN i'm allowed to hit back.
However, if what you suggest was to be manifested, she could be following me around, cursing, 24/7, and i couldn't even throw in a slap.
That isn't exactly equality...
Then again, i could declare myself insane during the momment of the act...

However, as it has already been stated, men normally have a larger and stronger physical frame compared to women but whether their pain threshold is higher is debatable. Anyway, no man should use "self defense" as an excuse to beat a woman senseless, even if she did initiate the attack.

Lets say she's fanatic, with a knife/gun/other weapon, and won't stop until she is beaten senseless, or kills you.
Incapacitate her?
Ok, possible, but still...
Oh, and you forgot "No woman should use "Self defense" as an excuse to beat a man senseless, even if he did initiate the attack".
Because we want equal rights, right?

Yet, I guess it is circumstantial, you can’t strap this rule on every case. It’s a difficult subject, and to any male reading this my only advice would be to go with your instincts, you’ll know if a female is obviously misusing the “rule” and in addition you will know when your self defense creeps over the boundary of full on attack against someone of lesser strength than you.

Overall, I agree with your post, however, as I'm guessing we're still after completely equal rights, I find it, well, stupid, to, wether on purpose or not, leave out the opposites.
Unless you want it to be ok for a woman to beat a man senseless in "self defense"?

i would say if they hit you you have every right to beat the living shit out of them and pass it off as self defence.