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Sure. Lets give them they're daily dose of homosexual cureness pills.

At 12/4/06 03:40 PM, Mercator wrote: Maybe there is a set of genes that determine this...ever notice that some faiths are a hell of a lot more fanatical than others??

I think saying faiths is an error. I prefer sects or denominations.

Islam is definately more fanatical and zealous than christianity. I dont think that we christians have any churches that are so holy in some areas that we would die from merely entering...Now that is faith!

I wouldn't say that at all. In Ethiopia there is a Church that supposedly houses the Lost Ark of the Covenant. There is only one Priest who is the only person allowed to tend to the Ark, and I believe that this is a hereditary position.

Also there are Christians who are more than willing to kill and/or martyr themselves for Jesus...you know the Prince of Peace. So I would propose that if such a 'Fanatic' gene exists, it explains radical/fundamentalist sects rather than faiths. Also, I wonder if maybe it could be a population control device engineered by nature. Mankind gets too big, then we kill each other in holy wars...

Sorry, for getting a bit off topic...

But is there anybody here who is frustrated with the politicizing of sexuality? (Or religion for that matter?)

I mean, seriously, when government starts dictating what's right or wrong with sexual orientation or a belief system, isn't that BAD?

At 12/8/06 02:35 AM, Devildoubt wrote: But is there anybody here who is frustrated with the politicizing of sexuality? (Or religion for that matter?)

Very much so. I don't think that government should regulate behavior/morality that does not present an immediate threat to the greater good/stability of the society.

Also, the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) still criminalizes getting a BJ or anal sex from one's wife? It's not really enforced, but it's still on the books! Also, for those of you who do not know what the UCMJ it is the law that applies to members of the US military...

Most people I have met who are gay/lesbian/bi, almost, i'd say about 90% of them turn straight, so personally I think it may be a mind disorder or perhaps something that distinguishes attraction. Not saying gay and lesbian people don't exist, just saying that it may be a result of some sort of difference in the brain that straight people don't share. Personally I think this post is pointless because I think all people are equal.

Also there are Christians who are more than willing to kill and/or martyr themselves for Jesus...you know the Prince of Peace. So I would propose that if such a 'Fanatic' gene exists, it explains radical/fundamentalist sects rather than faiths. Also, I wonder if maybe it could be a population control device engineered by nature. Mankind gets too big, then we kill each other in holy wars...

Read this book:

Constant Battles: Why We Fight by Steven LeBlanc.

http://www.amazon.com/Constant-Battles-Why-We -Fight/dp/0312310900

Pretty damn good read, although in recent years a few of his theories have been overturned with archaeological and other evidence.

At 12/3/06 08:11 PM, fahrenheit wrote: He died of a heart attack in the middle of a jungle surrounded by teenage gunmen, most of which he barely knew and wouldnt have cared sending them to their deaths.

No, sorry, you're wrong.

There were some very stupid remarks made , so I will just address them all in this statement. Any person who said things such as bible thump er, dumb ass, racist. obviously did not read what I posted. I tried to stay very neutral, and put a topic to discuss that has not been done.

nowhere did I use the bible, to prove any point. also I did not and have not giving my opinion on this subject yet, but have waited to see what everyone else's thoughts were. IF you think it is possible to change a persons sexual preferences before birth. or at the least know what it is then , in knowing the information, what could the possible side affects be, or options the parents may choose..

by the way GAY is not a race,

that right should not be given. the only time an abortion should be allowed is when the mother would not be able to take care of the baby. it's just wrong to allow people to decide weather or not to kill a unborn child. if that person grows up and wants to die, that's their choice. it should not be anothers choice. that is sick and wrong. if abortions are allowed, then you might as well be allowed to take a gun to anothers head and pull the trigger.

No we cant cure gay people.

Because theres nothing to cure.

Homosexuals have been around WAY longer than the word homosexual. So I think this topic starter is a little troll.

Why do men hate gays so much? More gays = more single women.

At 12/5/06 01:35 AM, fli wrote: Oh drat...
You hit me in my soft stop...

Can't hold a grudge against a man who has a good sense of humor... or a man who can yield to me at least once.

Why don't I ever see you in the Lounge?

Eh--

Well, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or sincerely inquisitive, but to answer your last question I don't post there because convos tend to be high-jacked too easily. IT would be like trying to enjoy a game of baseball than going to basketball than going to football abruptly.

At 12/21/06 09:24 PM, cold-as-hell wrote: No we cant cure gay people.

Because theres nothing to cure.

Homosexuals have been around WAY longer than the word homosexual. So I think this topic starter is a little troll.

The topic is not about hating gays, it is about the possibility of changing genes that may affect a persons sexual desire. How many times do you hear a gay person say , DO you thin we would choose to be this way? to be treated as perverted, different and strange. We are born this way.
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Now as a loving parent and one that wants to see there genes go on in there Grandchildren, and do not wish that there children be treated with hate as some homosexual's are treated.
It would be a very great thing to change the Abnormality witch is being Gay. weather you like it or not it is not a Normal function to have homosexual behaviour. it serves no purpose, and if everyone practiced it we would be extinct.

But maybe you are right, And nature chooses to make certain people Gay ,Because of Natural selection. And is weeding out the unwanted and inferior people. If that is your belief so be it.

As far as being a troll , That makes me laugh, Because you obviously did not bother to read the beginning. Witch is sad, And none of your responses make any sense nore do they add any thought to the subject witch makes you the troll.

IT is very obvious from you statements that you are part of the homosexual group , To be completely honest, I tried very hard NOT to offend Anyone. I wanted to do something that has not been done before so if I offended you because of your sexual desires for that I am sorry ,
But if I offended you because of your lack of intelligence or ability to read and comprehend what the topic was about, I AM NOT SORRY.. In-fact I am laughing at you.

At 12/22/06 01:55 AM, troubles1 wrote: Said something to do with fire!

I fucking know but Gays wouldnt want there genes to be messed with.

Why "cure" gay people?

It's not like they want to be hetero, they maybe want to be gay? And homosexuality has been around ever since mammals has been around. It's just natural. And just because some old fucking book says that: oooh, being gay is a sin, doesn't mean it's fact! Bible = Mein Kampf.

It's like saying: Can we cure heterosexual people?

Hey, those of you (and I'm not saying that I am against abortion, I'm just bringing it up) who think that abortion is wrong, don't you think that genetically mutating a fetus so that it is strait, is just as wrong as killing it?

I mean, think about it. You are doing something extreamly drastic to a fetus that can't decide for itself, just because of the mother's vanity. And there's no telling what kind of side effects this kind of procedure could have. You could be metally scaring and physically scraring a baby for life, without it being able to decide for itself.

I'm not against abortion, I just thought I'd bring that point up.

At 12/22/06 02:58 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: Hey, those of you (and I'm not saying that I am against abortion, I'm just bringing it up) who think that abortion is wrong, don't you think that genetically mutating a fetus so that it is strait, is just as wrong as killing it?

I mean, think about it. You are doing something extreamly drastic to a fetus that can't decide for itself, just because of the mother's vanity. And there's no telling what kind of side effects this kind of procedure could have. You could be metally scaring and physically scraring a baby for life, without it being able to decide for itself.

I'm not against abortion, I just thought I'd bring that point up.

Let's say like this: A 13 year old girl is raped, and she discovers that she's pregnant. So i say: What is better? That the baby dies and she doesn't have to have such a hard time with school and puberty + having a baby. Or that the baby lives and the mother gets a tough life, maybe commits suicide, the baby will be fatherless and maybe motherless after some time.

At 12/22/06 03:30 PM, Denta wrote:

At 12/22/06 02:58 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

abortion in a gay topic?

If you two are going to get at it I suggest creating an abortion topic and we can all sqander over who is right

At 12/22/06 06:22 PM, cold-as-hell wrote:

At 12/22/06 03:30 PM, Denta wrote:

At 12/22/06 02:58 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

abortion in a gay topic?

If you two are going to get at it I suggest creating an abortion topic and we can all sqander over who is right

*sigh*

You're an idiot. I'm not arguing about abortion. I'm relating "curing" gay people to abortion. But you just completely ignored what I said and decided to flame me instead.

Now, how about you actually take some time and read what I wrote instead of picking out little details.

At 12/22/06 07:08 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: *sigh*

Im really dont care.

And here its nearly 3 in the morning so im off to bed.

At 12/22/06 11:24 AM, cold-as-hell wrote:

At 12/22/06 01:55 AM, troubles1 wrote: Said something to do with fire!

I fucking know but Gays wouldnt want there genes to be messed with.

Obviously you do not know. Gays say all the time do you think we want to be Born this way?
So we change it wile they are in the womb, and as all you liberals who say that it is not a child until it is Born, then there is no problem .
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Besides they as you believe are not a person yet, so they could not make any decision about being changed . besides homosexuality is a abnormality, and any loving parent would want to ensure there child is not Born with a birth defect.

At 12/23/06 01:44 AM, troubles1 wrote: Obviously you do not know. Gays say all the time do you think we want to be Born this way?
So we change it wile they are in the womb, and as all you liberals who say that it is not a child until it is Born, then there is no problem .

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Besides they as you believe are not a person yet, so they could not make any decision about being changed . besides homosexuality is a abnormality, and any loving parent would want to ensure there child is not Born with a birth defect.

Homosexuality isn't polio you fucking dolt. It's disgusting that you would believe that homosexuality is "a abnormality." Gays are perfectly fine the way they are; there's nothing wrong with being born a different sexual orientation than others.

Okay Troubles. By that same token, you being an abortion and homosexual rights opponent, what would happen if your offspring were "diagnosed" in the womb with the most fabulous case of gay.

Since this is a hypothetical situation, because homosexuality can't really be "diagnosed"-- let's fantasize.

No cure... like Downs Syndrome.
You have a son who will adore and emulate Christopher Lowe's sense of decor,
or
a you will have a daughter heavily into plaid shirts and close cropped hair.

Abort?
Or raise it as your own?
Or adopt.

I wanna see your sense of moral obligation...

At 12/23/06 01:58 AM, fli wrote: Okay Troubles. By that same token, you being an abortion and homosexual rights opponent, what would happen if your offspring were "diagnosed" in the womb with the most fabulous case of gay.

Since this is a hypothetical situation, because homosexuality can't really be "diagnosed"-- let's fantasize.

No cure... like Downs Syndrome.
You have a son who will adore and emulate Christopher Lowe's sense of decor,
or
a you will have a daughter heavily into plaid shirts and close cropped hair.

Abort?
Or raise it as your own?
Or adopt.

I wanna see your sense of moral obligation...

AS IT IS I have two children, 3yr old daughter, 1yrold son, YES IT would bother me if my son was Gay, but I would get over it. I am against abortion. now this topic is about the GAY GENE.

Witch is very possible it exists. and science is currently looking for it. If I had the opportunity to change a single gene and correct a abnormality, such as homosexuality in my children, I would stop at nothing, no matter the cost. It would be in the best interest of my child.

IN case you are not aware gene therapy is the wave of the future, My best friend has a disease called sickle cell, there is no cure. but one day science will isolate that gene and eradicate it. I believe that one day they will find the same thing that causes behavior like homosexuality, and parents such as myself will be able to cure our children from the affliction. and in doing so make them a normal productive individual ..

until then Nature is using natural selection to breed out the unwanted people making them gay.
hence getting rid of the deformity.

At 12/23/06 03:36 AM, troubles1 wrote:

until then Nature is using natural selection to breed out the unwanted people making them gay.
hence getting rid of the deformity.

Actually it's been noted that homosexuality tends to occure in the younger sons of families with many sons. The possibility that this suggests is that homosexuality might be a natural occurance of population control. That would make it make it both natural and nessesary.

At 12/23/06 03:36 AM, troubles1 wrote: AS IT IS I have two children, 3yr old daughter, 1yrold son, YES IT would bother me if my son was Gay, but I would get over it. I am against abortion. now this topic is about the GAY GENE.

Now wait a sec,
Here you are saying in your abortion-gay tagent of the conversation, more or less, that Liberals are hypocrites because they believe in abortion but cry if the fetus is a gay. Glotting almost... so don't be so quick to change the discussion.

(Although, you're not completly right... I believe such personal decisions like abortion that aren't mine shouldn't be influenced by what I believe... Infact, I've stated that long ago when I was talking to Damien Flagg when he asked me. Might as well share this with you as an abortion proponent seeing that I've never contributed to that conversation until now.)

Like you I was a father albiet for a very little while. (Son of my blood, not adoptive.)
Unlike you, I'm gay.

Now, why exactly would you claim a son (or daughter) whom you would consider is a "genetic anamoly" (okay, okay-- I know, I know... we're not sure if sexuality, gay or straight, is gentic but you'll understand the sentiment. Airy subject...)

In other words, a freak. Not only that... inherently despicable and immoral.
Love, despite what people say, is never an obligation.

Could you still truly "get over it?" You've just advocated, more or less, the principalities of Hitler: Selective breeding. Gene therapy. Removing the heterogeneous from the homogeneous when clearly there no need to "cure" homosexuality in the same sense of sickle cell other than "sexual purity."

I believe you that you could love your children because in the eyes of a good father their children more than their world... Daddy's girl is forever his darling. The Old Man's boy is gonna carry on the family name. Apple of my eyes, light of my life! Yada, yada, yada...

But still, I do hope that your children aren't gay, or that if they are that you mustar up all your love. Because your views on homosexuality, as I've read in the past, are ignorant, mean-spirited, and cruel.

It's not the gays that need to change,
It is you--

At 12/23/06 01:44 AM, troubles1 wrote: Obviously you do not know. Gays say all the time do you think we want to be Born this way?
So we change it wile they are in the womb, and as all you liberals who say that it is not a child until it is Born, then there is no problem .

What if some people don't like the idea of there genes being messed with before birth? (note what I said relating this to abortion a few posts up.) They would have had to gone through that against their will.

Besides they as you believe are not a person yet, so they could not make any decision about being changed . besides homosexuality is a abnormality, and any loving parent would want to ensure there child is not Born with a birth defect.

What loving parent in the right mind would want their baby to be genetically mutated? Would they let three year old be mutated? No, of course not. So why the hell would you do it as a fetus?

Gay's are a minority, you should respect them, they've never launched any invasions to conquer humanity in the past few milenia, (unlike some)

Gay people are perfect, accept this, or die.

At 12/23/06 01:44 AM, troubles1 wrote: Besides they as you believe are not a person yet, so they could not make any decision about being changed . besides homosexuality is a abnormality, and any loving parent would want to ensure there child is not Born with a birth defect.

BEING GAY IS NOT A GENETIC DISEACE, YOU TWERP! It's people like you who keep that thought living by saying that being gay ain't normal! Homosexuality has been around as long as Heterosexuality, IT'S NORMAL!!!

At 11/28/06 07:57 PM, Begoner wrote:

Way to not read.

I read what he posted, and it was disgusting trash. It was bigoted and irrational -- homosexuality is not an "affliction" of which somebody needs to be "cured." His whole argument was solely founded upon his homophobia and is completely invalid.

You are fucking retarded. Everything he said was hypothetical. He supported none of it. You are a stupid cunt.