England + Scotland Independence

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United Kingdoms Breaking up

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59% of English want Scotland to be independent.
52% of Scottish want Scotland independent

48% of english also think England should have full independence from the UK.

I'm mostly for english and scottish independence, I'd rather be English than British,

What do others think??

[dELtaluca]

As the daily mail front page says'

'Let the Scots keep their porridge, and we'll keep our english cakes'

or something along the lines of that

[cold-as-hell]

I have family on both sides of the border so this sort of thing would be bad for me,

[2wiceBorn]

If Scotland and England want independence, then there is no reason why they shouldn't have it.

[cold-as-hell]

Im starting to think that the english and scotish really hate each other lolol

[tawc]

At 11/28/06 02:26 PM, cold-as-hell wrote: Im starting to think that the english and scotish really hate each other lolol

59% of English want rid of scotland
And only 48% english want complete independence
meaning the English like the welsh an the irish more than the scots.

The scottish get it better than any other country in the UK, percentage wise more money goes to scotland than the others. Everyone in Parliment is Scottish including Tony Blair.

Scotland have there own parliment, England, wales and N.Irleand dont! So a Scottishman can have a say in affairs in any of the countries in the UK, But welsh English or Irish have no say in scottish affairs.

ENGERLAND!!!

Howether there are Huge amounts of people with families both sides of the border like someone above said, Hundreds of thousands of people will basically have to decide what nationality to be.

Scotlands Economy will Fall, Every Pound will drop to 25p In scotland so say your earning a nice 30k it will fall to 7,500,

Also If scottish independence, England will want independance, And what will happen to N.Ireland an wales. They will crumble.

Lastly I expect there will be bombs goin of everywere from fucking loyalists.

[RedSkunk]

I don't see the point.

[altanese-mistress]

<sarcasm>So then the only parts of the UK left would be Wales and Northern Ireland?</sarcasm>

The breaking up of the UK would ruin the economies of both Scotland and England, and the citizens don't really have anything to gain from this, especially those of England. So will it happen? No. Even if the people want this, there won't be a vote on it. Even then, though people may say things in public, they can vote however in the privacy of a voting booth.

[altanese-mistress]

At 11/29/06 02:33 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: Oh right, even though the SNP are tipped to win the next election in Scotland, and they'll commit themselves to pushing through our first independence referendum?

I didn't mean a vote in Parliament; I ment a general vote among the people.

[RedSkunk]

At 11/29/06 02:26 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: We'd get a boost from our oil wealth, maybe even nationalise it - it would be a great thing for Scotland
In saying that, for some people it's even just a matter of pride - the right to call yourself Scottish, to be a citizen of a Scottish Republic, not a subject of an English Queen.

Yes, those are reasons. I'm sure there are plenty. But I don't think it's worth it. Or, hell, that's subjective. I don't think it will happen..

if nothing else, consider this a free bump for a different sort of topic here.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 11/29/06 02:26 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 11/29/06 02:23 PM, RedSkunk wrote:

We'd get a boost from our oil wealth, maybe even nationalise it - it would be a great thing for Scotland.

It would.

Nationalizing oil though, wouldn't.

[Neoptolemus]

At 11/29/06 02:33 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 11/29/06 02:32 PM, altanese-mistress wrote: . Even if the people want this, there won't be a vote on it.

Oh right, even though the SNP are tipped to win the next election in Scotland, and they'll commit themselves to pushing through our first independence referendum?

Not bad it ultimately means i'll officially be a dual citizen if all the Scots want independence. It'll also give me a good place to evade New Labours grip on Britain.

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Unfortunatly North sea oil production is dropping extremmely fast, Its becoming alot harder to get the oil.
By 2010 there will be serious problems getting at the oil. By 2015 North sea oil will be as good as gone.

Falkland islands is the next place we'll be gettin our oil!

[ShardStorm]

Yeah, cuz England just loves giving people independence.

TEA PARTY!!!!!!1

[Tancrisism]

That'd be interesting if Scotland gains their independence before Northern Ireland, who've been calling for it for ages.

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At 11/29/06 06:47 PM, ShardStorm wrote: Yeah, cuz England just loves giving people independence.

Antigua and Barbuda (1981)
Australia (1931 [1])
The Bahamas (1973)
Bangladesh (1972)
Barbados (1966)
Belize (1981)
Botswana (1966)
Brunei (1984)
Cameroon (1995)
Canada (1931)
Cyprus (1961)
Dominica (1978)
Fiji (1970[2])
The Gambia (1965)
Ghana (1957)
Grenada (1974)
Guyana (1966)
India (1947)
Jamaica (1962)
Kenya (1963)
Kiribati (1979)
Lesotho (1966)
Malawi (1964)
Malaysia (1957)
Maldives (1982)
Malta (1964)
Mauritius (1968)
Mozambique (1995)
Namibia (1990)
Nauru (2000)
New Zealand (1931[3])
Nigeria (1960[4])
Pakistan (1947[5])
Papua New Guinea (1975)
Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983)
Saint Lucia (1979)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1979)
Samoa (1970)
Seychelles (1976)
Sierra Leone (1961)
Singapore (1965)
Solomon Islands (1978)
South Africa (1931[6])
Sri Lanka (1948)
Swaziland (1968)
Tanzania (1961)
Tonga (1970)
Trinidad and Tobago (1962)
Tuvalu (1978)
Uganda (1962)
Vanuatu (1980)
Zambia (1964)

Theres about 20 more which were givin independence but the ones listed are the ones which stayed in the commonwealth.

The only ones i can think of which fought for there Independence are. the United states, Ireland and Afghanistan.

Anyway its a stupid remark because every single of those countries were givin independence from Great Britain which is Scotland and England.

Scotland isn't controlled by England. A scottishman has as many rights (technically has more) than a englishman.

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At 11/29/06 06:51 PM, Tancrisism wrote: That'd be interesting if Scotland gains their independence before Northern Ireland, who've been calling for it for ages.

you obversly don't know anything about the troubles in N.ireland.

The Majority of Northern Irleand want to stay with the United Kingdom.
If they wanted to be independent from the UK then they would of been givin it.
Northen Ireland was formed for the irish who wanted to stay with britain

[Tancrisism]

At 11/29/06 07:04 PM, zzzzd wrote: you obversly don't know anything about the troubles in N.ireland.

The Majority of Northern Irleand want to stay with the United Kingdom.
If they wanted to be independent from the UK then they would of been givin it.
Northen Ireland was formed for the irish who wanted to stay with britain

Touche.

[cellardoor6]

Haha I remember watching the UK House of Commons talk about this on C-SPAN.

The House of Commons is an absolute circus.

Everyone is yelling "here here" or " Booo, byaaa". People keep standing up and sitting back down when they hear something they like. Then Prime Minister Tony Blair always says "in response to my honorable friend and colleague" before he gives a rebuttal to a Scottish politician who called Blair all kinds of names.

Quite hilarious, British government procedures are out of control. They could just put it on Comedy Central and I would watch it just to get some laughs.

[cellardoor6]

At 11/29/06 07:04 PM, zzzzd wrote:

you obversly don't know anything about the troubles in N.ireland.

The Majority of Northern Irleand want to stay with the United Kingdom.
If they wanted to be independent from the UK then they would of been givin it.
Northen Ireland was formed for the irish who wanted to stay with britain

Tell that to the IRA.

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At 11/29/06 07:13 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 11/29/06 07:04 PM, zzzzd wrote:

you obversly don't know anything about the troubles in N.ireland.

The Majority of Northern Irleand want to stay with the United Kingdom.
If they wanted to be independent from the UK then they would of been givin it.
Northen Ireland was formed for the irish who wanted to stay with britain

Tell that to the IRA.

they were told, in 1999 when the people of northen Ireland voted to stay part of the UK.

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At 11/29/06 07:07 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Quite hilarious, British government procedures are out of control. They could just put it on Comedy Central and I would watch it just to get some laughs.

lol i agree, makes me laugh when ever i see it on TV,
Also Tony blair is Scottish as is most of the labour party.

[cellardoor6]

At 11/29/06 07:23 PM, zzzzd wrote:

At 11/29/06 07:07 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Quite hilarious, British government procedures are out of control. They could just put it on Comedy Central and I would watch it just to get some laughs.

lol i agree, makes me laugh when ever i see it on TV,
Also Tony blair is Scottish as is most of the labour party.

I was unaware of that. But when I said that a Scottish politician insulted him it was because this politician belonged to a Scottish Independence party or something like that.

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At 11/29/06 08:04 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

The Majority of Northern Irleand want to stay with the United Kingdom.

A slim majority, and with the Catholic population rising it's not going to be a majority much longer.

Good

You've got to remember that Northern Ireland is made up of six counties, some counties are Loyalist and some counties are Republican. And yes, it does depend which are majority Catholic and which are majority Protestant.

Good friday agreement ment the people could vote in the future of Northen Ireland. Much to Our annoyance they wanted to stay with the UK, Honestly i'd of rather seen Northen Ireland gone. We got bombed by IRA an By loyalists either way

If they wanted to be independent from the UK then they would of been givin it.

Yeah, that's why the Republic of Ireland instantly got independence, and there was no Anglo-Irish war.

Don't be a twat, thats the difference between how things were at the turn of the 20th century an how things were later. Back then Britain was very imperialistic and were treating the Irish badly and wouldn't give them independence when they wanted it.

Northen Ireland was formed for the irish who wanted to stay with britain

No, it was formed by petty Protestants who like getting in the way of progress.

Just because they were protestants doesn't make them any less irish you fuckin twat.
I'm Catholic livin in England which is generally protestant. Am i anyless english?

I want The UK to break up, I want England to be english again not just a fuckin language.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

Give the Scots independence. Give the English and Welsh it aswell. And whislt we're at it lets just give Northern Ireland independence for the sheer joy of pissing off Ian Paisley.

It doesn't make a difference. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland will all join the EU, and then get slowly enveloped into the European Superstate that is forming.

If they don't join then they get ignored by Europe, which has the potential to screw them over economcially.

So yeah, independence for all, and saviour it whilst it lasts 'cause the EU is taking over slowly but surely.

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At 11/29/06 08:43 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

Northen Irelands a tricky subject.

Personally I'd like to see Ireland whole, Ireland has been fucked over many a time for hundreds of years by the english an British! Maybe Tony Blair should of apologiesed to the irish on behalf of the British instead of the black slaves (not that i'm for slavery or anything lol i just think it was a not needed apology)

Howether I do agree with the British army being in N.Ireland, I think they had to be there to keep peace and fight terrorist groups. Even so alot of the time, it wasn't possible, I can't see how Britain could of not.

Anyways Its over hopefully,

God Save England and God save Scotland.

[EternalRabbit]

I'm mostly for english and scottish independence, I'd rather be English than British,

currently, you're both... so don't complain and if someone asks, tell them you're english!

[LegendaryLukus]

I don't see why it can't happen. I mean, Scotland wants rid of England and I'm pretty sure I don't care either way.

I don't really know about the pro's and cons of a seperation. I know Scotland only has a population of about 5,000,000, which may have adverse effects. A lot of their students come to study at university here and get grants, which would probably be stopped and withdrawn should Scotland gain independence.

As I've said before: if you're leaving, you're taking Wales with you

[emmytee]

I don't care about independence tbh, but It would be great to cut ourselves off from england so that we could dodge their shitty anti-terrorism laws, tutions fees, tawbs, and all sort of other social cancers :)

BUT

If the snp got elected it would be a fucking disaster: Their 'manifesto' pretty much amounts to showing braveheart on big screen, and shouting whatever the scottish translation of" sieg heil" is.

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At 12/2/06 08:56 AM, emmytee wrote: I don't care about independence tbh, but It would be great to cut ourselves off from england so that we could dodge their shitty anti-terrorism laws, tutions fees, tawbs, and all sort of other social cancers :)

What are tawbs?