Isreal

[bumcheekcity]

many people have bought to the attention of me and other anti-war protestors that Iraq had been in violation of 17 UN resolutions over the years, but none of them turn to Isreal, which must be the primary concern, seeing as it has violated over 65 of them. sixty-five UN resolutions. the US vetoes immediately anything that makes Isreal seem bad so it has a stronhold in the missle east.

when the war on Iraq is over, will we go itno isreal, seeing as they MUST be on the axis of evil, no? with 65 UN resolution breaches?

[Raptorman]

These areGeneral Assembly resolutions. You know, that same General Assembly that put Libya in charge of the human rights commission and Iraq in charge of disarmament. It is simply not a credible organization. That being said, the security council unwillingness to back up it's own resolutions and totally impotent military capability leaves it's credibility hanging by a thread.

[panik]

65 huh? Which 65? Like dont protect yourself from terriosts, or let people blow up buses of inocent civilians or give up because your jews, What are these broken resolutions. If I was Israel, yes that is how it is spelled not Isreal, I would say fuck the UN . The only country to help Israel is the US no one eles in the UN.

[Jiperly]

65 like having WMD and refusing to allow weapon inspectors for them. 65 like occupying neighbouring nations territory. 65 like having the UN kicked out(unlike Iraq, where they left) of their Nation.

Its time to wonder not so much how to stop terrorism in Isreal, but WHY IT HAPPENS? is it because the people of the surrounding nations are suffering? is it because the nations surrounding it get sanctions while Isreal gets the United States to protect them from such things?

[NEMESiSZ]

Interestingly enough, saying a random number doesn't make it a fact, for example, your IQ is above 90...or is it?

[NJDeadzone]

as long as Palestine is being funded and protected by religious totalitarianism rather than secular, Israel will always be acting in self-defense.

[thenark]

The US did not even have an enemy in the middle east until the state of Israel was set up. But no matter what attrocities they commit, they can do no wrong in the eyes of the US. Any other country that persecutes a whole race (palesting) for their religious beliefs gets bombed into the ground, but the US will not let anyone touch Israel. Really makes you think...

[Raptorman]

At 4/3/03 11:06 PM, thenark wrote: Any other country that persecutes a whole race (palesting)

Let's squash this one real quick. Palestinians and Jews are both Semites. This means that the Palestinians are more closely related to the Israelis than they are to other Arabs.

[TheEvilOne]

Palestine has the right to be angry at Israel, but Palestinians do not have the right to blow themselves up on Israeli city buses and kill Israeli civilians.

Israel has the right to defend itself. Sometimes they go a little too far. But when Palestinian terrorists attack, and Israel makes an incursion into Palestinian territory to bust some terrorists, how is that different from what we did in Afghanistan? Israel is just defending itself, unlike Iraq.

[Commander-K25]

At 4/3/03 11:22 PM, TheEvilOne wrote: Israel has the right to defend itself.

Exactly. You can hardly blame them for being a little on edge. They're the only country that issues gas masks to it's citizens! Look at their position, on one side you've got the sea and on three others you have Arabs intent upon their destruction as they have demonstrated many times in the past. Israel has been under attack since its earliest days.

Imagine living in a country constantly in a state of war or alert? Imagine knowing that every other day there will be a terrorist attack? Imagine trying to think of the odds involved with that? How long before one of these terrorists hits you or someone close to you? Imagine fear and unrest. Imagine Israel.

[dr-grogg]

Well, nice topic this is about israel.

Why palestinians are blowing up civil targets are because then the israelian army is more into stopping them.I mean a military target isn't so interesting as a civil target, or is it?
Also, the israelians are jsut coming and saying "your not allowed to live here" and then let the palestinian move away.Now even they have started to invade the little land picec called "GAZA" with their tank division.

What israel is doing is wrong but they are having powerful allies it seems like.But it's not even fair game always the way the israelians are doing this on.

Well,i see on israel with a kind of hating eye since they do this.BAH, don't buy products from israel.

[Der-Ubermensch]

The jews have been a persecuted people since the dawn of time... you'd think they'd get tired of it eventually. Unfortunately though, they're in an expansionary phase of development and fail to see why this would offend. They're basically invading, planting jewish settlements in land occupied by Palestinians. The persecuted have become the persecutors. As for the ardent support of Israel by the United states; it is all based on the fact that America wants a foothold in the Middle east region. How do you think the very wealthy and prominent jews of America would feel if it weren't bringing aid to their motherland? How would those people vote? It's all political BS... no real "friendly" intent.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/3/03 08:59 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Interestingly enough, saying a random number doesn't make it a fact, for example, your IQ is above 90...or is it?

did you mean above 65? that is definately a fact. and my IQ is well above 90, closer to 120.

[panik]

first I still dont see any evidence of you 65 number. Second Israel is at war just so you know and its not a war that they want. Three I've been there and having to look over your shoulder all the time, being suspisious of a backback sitting next to a wall or being in a crowded market place is not fun. Oh I forgot the reason the tanks have been going into the Gaza strip is because it is a haven for terriosts to blend into the population and recruit.

[Jiperly]

how about answering this- assuming the world isn't full of hate filled Bigots that want to destroy Isarel, then why does the middle east hate Israel?

if anyone can give me an answer that does not include "because everyone hates jews there" or something about Americas foreign policy with Israel(my opinion), then lets hear it.

[RoboTripper]

At 4/4/03 02:23 PM, Jiperly wrote: how about answering this- assuming the world isn't full of hate filled Bigots that want to destroy Isarel, then why does the middle east hate Israel?

if anyone can give me an answer that does not include "because everyone hates jews there" or something about Americas foreign policy with Israel(my opinion), then lets hear it.

Israel represents the victory of the Christians over the Muslims. With Israel in control of the Holy Land including much of Jerusalem, and the Christian (secular but Christian-dominated) nations of Western Europe and the U.S. in control of Israel, Christians finally have the prize they sought for hundreds of years in the Crusades.

[panik]

At 4/4/03 02:33 PM, Crack_Smoker wrote:

At 4/4/03 02:23 PM, Jiperly wrote: how about answering this- assuming the world isn't full of hate filled Bigots that want to destroy Isarel, then why does the middle east hate Israel?

if anyone can give me an answer that does not include "because everyone hates jews there" or something about Americas foreign policy with Israel(my opinion), then lets hear it.

Israel represents the victory of the Christians over the Muslims. With Israel in control of the Holy Land including much of Jerusalem, and the Christian (secular but Christian-dominated) nations of Western Europe and the U.S. in control of Israel, Christians finally have the prize they sought for hundreds of years in the Crusades.

What? what the hell are you talking about. what does a jewish state have to do with the crusades. I think your name says it all. That is the lamest parallel I have ever heard. Yeah its a conspiracy from the middle ages folks. He found the real reason.

[RoboTripper]

At 4/4/03 02:38 PM, panik wrote:
What? what the hell are you talking about. what does a jewish state have to do with the crusades. I think your name says it all.

The "Jewish state" is a pawn of the Christians. When the U.S. administration says jump, they ask "how high?". The Crusades example was just used to represent the lingering hatred between Christians and Muslims.

That is the lamest parallel I have ever heard. Yeah its a conspiracy from the middle ages folks. He found the real reason.

If it was lame you wouldn't have responded. Your frantic response shows that it blew your little mind.

[panik]

yup you got me. your argument is so compelling that I am forced to belive that this is a continuation of the crusades, brought forth by a diffrent country, a country with all religions, crusading by giving Jews land in the middle east. You know that we were trying to reserect the 3rd reich again by tearing down the berlin wall and unifying germany. And we are trying to repopulate cuba with muslims by storing suspected taliban terriost there. Hey did you know that JFK was not really shot they just staged it because he was abducted by UFO's and the moon landing really was in arizona.

[NEMESiSZ]

"If Palestine lays down her weapons there will be no more war, if Israel lays down her weapons there will be no more Israel."

[Jimsween]

Argh... I just heard an Arab on the news say, why does America ally with Isreal but not Arab countries. Well duh... Wouldnt it be a conflict of an intrest if we allied and became friends with a dictatorship, there is not one other country in the middle east that is a democracy, poor Egypt wants to be but thats a different topic.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/4/03 04:18 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: "If Palestine lays down her weapons there will be no more war, if Israel lays down her weapons there will be no more Israel."

typical nemesis quote here. if isreal lay down their weapons peace will reign. if palestine lay down their weapons they still wont have their birthland

[NEMESiSZ]

There's millions of miles of worthless sand wasteland, the Palestinians can go find some that hasn't been conquered by their enemies.

[Cajomo]

the way i see it is that isreal is like our little brother... and when people attack them we help, but that needs to stop... when we do that all that happens is that we say to all the arabs "we hate you guys and love the Jews" so in the interest of peace we should stop helping the jews so much and just hold to our own.

[panik]

yeah and maybe we should all become muslim and stop living our lives the way we do so that we can appease them. Lets do what ever they want beacuse that will stop the violence. Ahhh I remember when I thought the world was perfect too.

[NJDeadzone]

At 4/4/03 04:42 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: There's millions of miles of worthless sand wasteland, the Palestinians can go find some that hasn't been conquered by their enemies.

well the Zionists were given that choice with Uganda and it didn't go.

How does this relate? The Palestinians refuse to coexist with Israel, that's their problem. Israel earned all of its land through wars of self-defense. The Palestinians are treated like rejects from their religious brothers and unfortunately have to resort to primitive violence to get meager results, and then they play victim.

Until they learn to coexist, peace won't be possible

[Alejandro1]

At 4/3/03 07:07 PM, panik wrote: 65 huh? Which 65? Like dont protect yourself from terriosts, or let people blow up buses of inocent civilians or give up because your jews, What are these broken resolutions. If I was Israel, yes that is how it is spelled not Isreal, I would say fuck the UN . The only country to help Israel is the US no one eles in the UN.

Yes, Israel is just defending itself from these Arab terrorists. And if you've done any history, you might realize that Israel has been a bitched around country, so they are snappin and dont wanna take crap anymore.

[RoboTripper]

At 4/4/03 11:26 PM, NJDeadzone wrote:
How does this relate? The Palestinians refuse to coexist with Israel, that's their problem. Israel earned all of its land through wars of self-defense.

Israel earned its land? I couldn't disagree more. First they were given land which wasn't theirs, then they were armed to the teeth by the US and used it to brutalize peasants and extend their territory. I fail to see how Israel earned anything, unless you say that being America's puppet in the Middle East has "earned" them the land.

The Palestinians are treated like rejects from their religious brothers and unfortunately have to resort to primitive violence to get meager results, and then they play victim.

They don't have to play victim, they were screwed through and through. They are forced to resort to primitive violence, fortunately for the Israelis they aren't in that position since they have the newest and best military technology from the U.S. and can resort to "civilized" violence.

[DarkCyrstal]

Isreal is bad. GIve the land back tot he rightful owners! Look at this map. It shows the unfairness of Isreal taking precious arab land.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/5/03 01:54 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: Isreal is bad. GIve the land back tot he rightful owners! Look at this map. It shows the unfairness of Isreal taking precious arab land.

kind of a strange map, but i do think isreal have to give back their stolen land.