Illegal Immigration

[QBalltheQ]

Don't some pepole think that illegal immigrants get too many rights? They need to lose some rights. I'm not trying to be racist but they just go through the border and think they can do anything they want w/out US citizenship. You have to be fair to me here because there is thousand of Illegal immigrants in the US. They are even in my neighborhod.

[TheShrike]

At 11/25/06 09:09 PM, QBalltheQ wrote: Don't some pepole think that illegal immigrants get too many rights? They need to lose some rights. I'm not trying to be racist but they just go through the border and think they can do anything they want w/out US citizenship. You have to be fair to me here because there is thousand of Illegal immigrants in the US. They are even in my neighborhod.

srlsy its like they want to move in, and just take over the place! WHAT NERVE!!!!

[QBalltheQ]

Finally someone agrees w/ me!

[TheShrike]

At 11/25/06 09:28 PM, QBalltheQ wrote: Finally someone agrees w/ me!

Well, I don't exactly agree. You say thousands, but I think the numbers are closer to the Hundreds of millions. That includes descendants, of course.

[SmilezRoyale]

Of course, early americans did the same thing to the indians, which is a huge argument when it comes to illegal immigrant supporters. But Just letting the reverse happen for payback only causes more of the bad things we dont want to see happen again in history. For example, would it be right to have a german genocide which blonde haired blue eyed people were killed? including childeren who weren't even alive durring WWII, they couldn't control what they're ancestors did (Asuming there parents were nazis and not gentiles)

Two wrongs dont make a right.

[Draconias]

At 11/25/06 10:12 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Of course, early americans did the same thing to the indians, which is a huge argument when it comes to illegal immigrant supporters.

BS. Europeans conquered North America fair and square. That has absolutely no relation at all to the approx. 10 million illiegal immigrants currently in the US, and the thousands flooding in, or the gun smuggling and drug traffic rampant on the US-Mexican border.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/25/06 10:55 PM, Draconias wrote: BS. Europeans conquered North America fair and square. That has absolutely no relation at all to the approx. 10 million illiegal immigrants currently in the US, and the thousands flooding in, or the gun smuggling and drug traffic rampant on the US-Mexican border.

So if all the illegals bought guns and took voer the south, you would be ok with that?

[fahrenheit]

At 11/26/06 04:40 AM, Camarohusky wrote: So if all the illegals bought guns and took voer the south, you would be ok with that?

Yeah because he obviously would be ok with someone punching him in the face.

dumbass

[Camarohusky]

At 11/26/06 04:43 AM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 11/26/06 04:40 AM, Camarohusky wrote: So if all the illegals bought guns and took voer the south, you would be ok with that?

Yeah because he obviously would be ok with someone punching him in the face.

Woot for American duplicity! I can give it in any hole I want, but no reach around! Awesome! USA! USA!

[fli]

At 11/25/06 10:55 PM, Draconias wrote:

At 11/25/06 10:12 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Of course, early americans did the same thing to the indians, which is a huge argument when it comes to illegal immigrant supporters.

BS. Europeans conquered North America fair and square. That has absolutely no relation at all to the approx. 10 million illiegal immigrants currently in the US, and the thousands flooding in, or the gun smuggling and drug traffic rampant on the US-Mexican border.

Okay...
if the US is for the taking... something that can be conquered "fair and squar"--

Why do you have beef with illegal immigrants who are, doing what is an whole heartedly an American tradition, "conquering fair and square."

No, the BS is to think this soil was conquered fair and squre.
And it's hypocrisy to be upset of the actions of another's people when one's own people are guilty of the same crime.

[Demosthenez]

At 11/26/06 05:03 AM, fli wrote: Why do you have beef with illegal immigrants who are, doing what is an whole heartedly an American tradition, "conquering fair and square."

If you say or agree or whatever these illegal immigrants are intent on conqueoring the Southwest then why should our laws protect them? Last I checked, in war you dont protect your enemies under your own set of laws. Mind you, this is a rhetorical question that you brought on yourself when you went down this train of thought. I know we are not at war.

No, the BS is to think this soil was conquered fair and squre.
And it's hypocrisy to be upset of the actions of another's people when one's own people are guilty of the same crime.

Thats racist claptrap. Im not going to feel sorry or guilty for the actions of people I have no connection to. I was born in America to 3rd generation immigrants, I refuse to have any of this American guilt for the actions of people who have been dead for ages. I mean, my blood in this country doesnt even go back that far anyways.

And thats ultimately what all this is on both sides: racism. The La Raza and Aztlan crap is inherently racist as hell. Those citizen border patrol people are not quite as extreme but likely equally as racist. But just because they are racist doesnt make them necessarily wrong. We do need to enforce American laws in America. Our laws should be different, I will give that but that is something that needs to be worked out in Congress, not along the border.

[Slizor]

Don't some pepole think that illegal immigrants get too many rights?

They don't have any rights. Rights require citizenship.

Also, how do you know the people in your neighbourhood are illegal immigrants?

[fli]

At 11/26/06 06:12 AM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 11/26/06 05:03 AM, fli wrote: Why do you have beef with illegal immigrants who are, doing what is an whole heartedly an American tradition, "conquering fair and square."

If you say or agree or whatever these illegal immigrants are intent on conqueoring the Southwest then why should our laws protect them? Last I checked, in war you dont protect your enemies under your own set of laws. Mind you, this is a rhetorical question that you brought on yourself when you went down this train of thought. I know we are not at war.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this issue, all I'm pointing out is this two-facedness about illegal immigration. And obviously, the Native Americans helped out the Colonists indefinetly and at times vise versa.

Here we have peoples with similar histories and needs. Yet one is viewed as "great American history" while the other is viewed as a mere nauisance.

And this view that the US was "conquered fair and square" and when the tables are turned where the the otherside gets the short end of the stick, the view changes.

No, the BS is to think this soil was conquered fair and squre.
And it's hypocrisy to be upset of the actions of another's people when one's own people are guilty of the same crime.

Thats racist claptrap. Im not going to feel sorry or guilty for the actions of people I have no connection to. I was born in America to 3rd generation immigrants, I refuse to have any of this American guilt for the actions of people who have been dead for ages. I mean, my blood in this country doesnt even go back that far anyways.

Racist clap trap? Pu-lease... I wasn't laying on a guilt trip. But how could we say rah-rah-rah for one people's migration, and not the other's? It's the same struggles, the same needs, the same story.

Except one landed on Plymoth,
and the other crossed over the Rio Grande.

And when one who denies the other,
all it really means that
one is denying oneselve's an honest retrospective view of their own American history.
It's archived in our bloods.

And to this I say, "To thyself, be true."
And so when I say this, sincerly, "I understand the Pilgrims."
I truly do.

Because I'm just one generation off from illegal immigrants.
And when I do get pissed and defensive, it's because of this hypocrisy. Our forfathers weren't all that great, many but not all were malicious to their own people and the Natives, but they had their own needs: A better life. That's not too different from the illegal immigrant from the South who will, sometimes, be part of the motley crew of drug dealers and prostitutes.

They also want a better life.

And thats ultimately what all this is on both sides: racism. The La Raza and Aztlan crap is inherently racist as hell. Those citizen border patrol people are not quite as extreme but likely equally as racist. But just because they are racist doesnt make them necessarily wrong. We do need to enforce American laws in America. Our laws should be different, I will give that but that is something that needs to be worked out in Congress, not along the border.

You are going off at another tagent with this whole racism thing that I'm not even gonna even get into.

But obviously, as you well know...

I think the US public history books really needs an overhaul on how they teach migration into the Southwest and make it beyond the one or two ambigously written paragraphs. Such a complex subject deserves the best scholarly treatment. But I'm going off another tagent... the point:

There is no "fair and square conquering" if the victor can't accept being the loser in the next round.

Either all illegal immigration, both the Plymoth and the Rio Grande type, is all bad... or all good.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 11/26/06 05:03 AM, fli wrote:

At 11/25/06 10:55 PM, Draconias wrote:

At 11/25/06 10:12 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Of course, early americans did the same thing to the indians, which is a huge argument when it comes to illegal immigrant supporters.

BS. Europeans conquered North America fair and square. That has absolutely no relation at all to the approx. 10 million illiegal immigrants currently in the US, and the thousands flooding in, or the gun smuggling and drug traffic rampant on the US-Mexican border.

Okay...
if the US is for the taking... something that can be conquered "fair and squar"--

Why do you have beef with illegal immigrants who are, doing what is an whole heartedly an American tradition, "conquering fair and square."

No, the BS is to think this soil was conquered fair and squre.
And it's hypocrisy to be upset of the actions of another's people when one's own people are guilty of the same crime.

Back then, the americas were conquered fair and square, but imperialism is outlawed.

We COULD order all americans back to their ancestral countries, and let anyone born of native american blood do whatever they like in their country. but i dont think a seriously overcrowed europe would be happy about that.

i already explained how trying to undo what was done along time ago by self inflicting pain doesn't help, it only creates more pain. Apologize for what was done, remove all reservations and allow for them to create their own places if they want to, optional and free citizen ship if that's what they want.

[QBalltheQ]

At 11/26/06 07:07 AM, Slizor wrote:

Don't some pepole think that illegal immigrants get too many rights?

They don't have any rights. Rights require citizenship.

Do you ever watch the news about all of the illegal immigrants rights controversy? They are really starting to lose rights but they have some.

[dawin45]

man let the illegal imigranta breath like whithouth them no american/host country would not have an economy, like who works at the sanitation departement anyway?That's right imigrants... who works at the cheap construction departement that right imigrants cas don't ask for much and you wouldn't like to work in theyre place anyway...

[JakeHero]

At 11/26/06 12:16 PM, dawin45 wrote: man let the illegal imigranta breath like whithouth them no american/host country would not have an economy, like who works at the sanitation departement anyway?That's right imigrants... who works at the cheap construction departement that right imigrants cas don't ask for much and you wouldn't like to work in theyre place anyway...

You do not live in America, therefore, you should stfu about American issues unless it will affect you.

[fahrenheit]

At 11/26/06 04:46 AM, Camarohusky wrote: Woot for American duplicity! I can give it in any hole I want, but no reach around! Awesome! USA! USA!

Its ok, since were the US your allowed to be jealous of us.
Oh, and by the way, my shoes are untied. Go ahead and fix that for me.

[dawin45]

At 11/26/06 01:15 PM, BanditByte wrote:

At 11/26/06 12:16 PM, dawin45 wrote: man let the illegal imigranta breath like whithouth them no american/host country would not have an economy, like who works at the sanitation departement anyway?That's right imigrants... who works at the cheap construction departement that right imigrants cas don't ask for much and you wouldn't like to work in theyre place anyway...

You do not live in America, therefore, you should stfu about American issues unless it will affect you.

NEVER! I will never gonna work in the garbage departament and construction , I will let foregn people do that... if you have a problem whith that there are plenty of jobs in this world... ps and farming also is on the list...What other jobs doesn't an avarage american/host country like?

I'm speaking about general countryes here anyway, Not only The Us ofers jobs for imigrants there also Spain, UK, Germany,Italy and so on that have the capacity to ofer jobs for imigrants... hello...

[fahrenheit]

At 11/26/06 12:16 PM, dawin45 wrote: man let the illegal imigranta breath like whithouth them no american/host country would not have an economy,

Your right, our entire economy is structured on 4% of our population.

[RedSkunk]

At 11/26/06 04:46 AM, Camarohusky wrote: Woot for American duplicity! I can give it in any hole I want, but no reach around! Awesome! USA! USA!

LOL.

[JakeHero]

At 11/26/06 02:31 PM, dawin45 wrote: I'm speaking about general countryes here anyway, Not only The Us ofers jobs for imigrants there also Spain, UK, Germany,Italy and so on that have the capacity to ofer jobs for imigrants... hello...

You address America in your post, therefore you must be speaking about its problem. And I say since you don't live in America stfu. There's nothing I hate more than Europeans who think we give a damn what they think.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/26/06 01:38 PM, fahrenheit wrote: Its ok, since were the US your allowed to be jealous of us.
Oh, and by the way, my shoes are untied. Go ahead and fix that for me.

Last time I checked Seattle was part of the US, so I don't have to be jealous.

Oh yeah, if you have a problem with shoelaces, I suggest velcro. It works miracles, just like an underpaid immigrant can... ;)

[cellardoor6]

At 11/27/06 04:33 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 11/26/06 01:38 PM, fahrenheit wrote: Its ok, since were the US your allowed to be jealous of us.
Oh, and by the way, my shoes are untied. Go ahead and fix that for me.

Last time I checked Seattle was part of the US, so I don't have to be jealous.

Oh yeah, if you have a problem with shoelaces, I suggest velcro. It works miracles, just like an underpaid immigrant can... ;)

Yes, but Velcro, an inanimate object, doesn't invade our country, commit crimes, protest in the streets under a foreign flag, and demand that it be given rights, priveleges, all while destroying the economy and disrespecting our country.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/27/06 04:48 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Yes, but Velcro, an inanimate object, doesn't invade our country, commit crimes, protest in the streets under a foreign flag, and demand that it be given rights, priveleges, all while destroying the economy and disrespecting our country.

Well, I can see you've never hit the streets of Ballard at night... ;)

[cellardoor6]

At 11/27/06 05:18 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 11/27/06 04:48 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Yes, but Velcro, an inanimate object, doesn't invade our country, commit crimes, protest in the streets under a foreign flag, and demand that it be given rights, priveleges, all while destroying the economy and disrespecting our country.

Well, I can see you've never hit the streets of Ballard at night... ;)

Thats because Ballard sucks. I've lived in Seattle for 2 years and I've only been in Ballard maybe twice.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/27/06 05:44 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Thats because Ballard sucks. I've lived in Seattle for 2 years and I've only been in Ballard maybe twice.

Wow, somebody must have been toyed with as a kid. Jokes are jokes, not troll food.

[cellardoor6]

At 11/27/06 05:47 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 11/27/06 05:44 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Thats because Ballard sucks. I've lived in Seattle for 2 years and I've only been in Ballard maybe twice.

Wow, somebody must have been toyed with as a kid. Jokes are jokes, not troll food.

...

Seems like you're the one trolling. Accusing people of trolling for no reason. What do you think about that, troll?

Quit trolling around you troll-like, troll-faced, troll-monkey from Trolland.

[QBalltheQ]

Yes, but Velcro, an inanimate object, doesn't invade our country, commit crimes, protest in the streets under a foreign flag, and demand that it be given rights, priveleges, all while destroying the economy and disrespecting our country.

That is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not fair that they get to do anything they want. Some of the kids in the neighborhood play right in the THE STREET! I've almost killed them a numerous amount of times and their parents are illegal immigrants and LET them get themselves killed. (i dont know if themselves is an actual word)

[SenorPresidente]

At 11/25/06 09:09 PM, QBalltheQ wrote: Don't some pepole think that illegal immigrants get too many rights?

i am an illegal immigrant and i apologize for having too many rights.