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At 4/1/03 11:02 PM, implodinggoat wrote: Hitler was a brilliant leader. He took on the entire world and then ordered his generals to invade Russia in the winter resulting in 2 million German casulties. That was true brilliance.

From the perspective of a leader, yes, he was brilliant. He would have won Russia if he hadn't decided to change tactics halfway through. However, he was a psychopath, who latched onto a scapegoat (in this case, the Jews) and persecuted them for popularity. A good military commander, but a horrible person.

At 4/1/03 11:05 PM, SeanDillon wrote:

At 4/1/03 11:02 PM, implodinggoat wrote: Hitler was a brilliant leader. He took on the entire world and then ordered his generals to invade Russia in the winter resulting in 2 million German casulties. That was true brilliance.

From the perspective of a leader, yes, he was brilliant. He would have won Russia if he hadn't decided to change tactics halfway through.

If he had let his generals run the war and hadn't declared war on the Russians and America while he was already occupied with the British then he could have won that war and we would all be goose stepping everywhere we went.

One on one Germany could have won against any nation on Earth, but due to Hitlers arrogance and stupidity he took on the entire world at the same time and saw his reich of a thousand years crumble before its 20th birthday.

At 4/1/03 11:12 PM, implodinggoat wrote:

At 4/1/03 11:05 PM, SeanDillon wrote:

One on one Germany could have won against any nation on Earth, but due to Hitlers arrogance and stupidity he took on the entire world at the same time and saw his reich of a thousand years crumble before its 20th birthday.

No, no country could have won against America, this was mostly because it was just so far away and across an ocean. Our east coast navy would have butchered him.

If it wasn't for the Jews, then WW2 could have possibly been avoided, so I blame the Jews.

Oh man. I won't even try. But if it weren't Jews, it woudl have ben another race. Hitler just needed a common enemy to unify Germany and distract them from a suffering economy.

hitler was a fucker who had a small cock. i blame his dumbass.

At 4/1/03 11:12 PM, implodinggoat wrote: If he had let his generals run the war and hadn't declared war on the Russians and America while he was already occupied with the British then he could have won that war and we would all be goose stepping everywhere we went.

One on one Germany could have won against any nation on Earth, but due to Hitlers arrogance and stupidity he took on the entire world at the same time and saw his reich of a thousand years crumble before its 20th birthday.

If Germany had won, there would have been an interesting war between them and Japan, the two nations could never become real allies, Hitler having his racist policies and all, and there would have been a huge power struggle.

If he had crushed Enlgand during the Battle of Britain, then yes, he would have certainly won the war.

At 4/1/03 11:29 PM, SeanDillon wrote:

If Germany had won, there would have been an interesting war between them and Japan, the two nations could never become real allies, Hitler having his racist policies and all, and there would have been a huge power struggle.

Japan would have won because they had just invented thier first jet engine plane, even without help from any other country. The emporer ordered the manufacture of thousands of them (some with explosives on them) which were going to be used to protect the homland in the event of an invasion. It would have been impossible to counter these because none of our weapons could go fast enough to hit them, this is one of the many reaons I agree witht he use of the atomic bomb.

If he had crushed Enlgand during the Battle of Britain, then yes, he would have certainly won the war.

But he would have never invaded America.

At 4/1/03 11:59 PM, jimsween wrote:
Japan would have won because they had just invented thier first jet engine plane, even without help from any other country. The emporer ordered the manufacture of thousands of them (some with explosives on them) which were going to be used to protect the homland in the event of an invasion. It would have been impossible to counter these because none of our weapons could go fast enough to hit them, this is one of the many reaons I agree witht he use of the atomic bomb.

If he had crushed Enlgand during the Battle of Britain, then yes, he would have certainly won the war.

But he would have never invaded America.

If it had come to a war between the Germans and the Japanese, however, I think the Germans would have won. The Germans already had jet fighters AND the worlds first jet bomber (the AR324), but it still would have been interesting...

At 4/1/03 09:18 PM, FrankTheTank wrote: it was the japaneese! bomb our harbor, will ya?! BOOOOM! *flash* *destruction* *mushroom cloud*

Thats pretty sick laughing at the death of thousands of ordinary citzens even if it was 60 years ago.

At 4/1/03 11:23 PM, garysolo16 wrote: hitler was a fucker who had a small cock. i blame his dumbass.

He also had only one testicle and died a virgin depsite marrying.

I blame the stupidity and harshness of the Versailles Treaty..

How are you gonna make one country pay all the war damages, then completely disarm...and expect them not to be pissed?

At 4/1/03 09:09 PM, Dounut wrote: For starting WW2

Jews or Hitler/Nazis

If it wasn't for the Jews, then WW2 could have possibly been avoided, so I blame the Jews.

aren't you the guy who said that I was the biggest n00b?
I'm gonna kick your ass!

At 4/2/03 12:50 AM, AL-X wrote: I blame the stupidity and harshness of the Versailles Treaty..

How are you gonna make one country pay all the war damages, then completely disarm...and expect them not to be pissed?

Yeah, and it's not as if all the allies really got involved either, it was really only France, England and America; the Italian guy was just a puppet, and the League of Nations was a joke. But it's not as if we are learning from these mistakes; the same thing will happen after the war with Iraq is over.

League of Nations...what a joke...

Didn't do anythint...

Couldn't even decide what to do with Adolphe Shicklegruber..

At 4/2/03 01:07 AM, AL-X wrote: League of Nations...what a joke...

Didn't do anythint...

Couldn't even decide what to do with Adolphe Shicklegruber..

You're not wrong there...and the UN today is equally as useless...it can't even prevent wars anymore!

You understand that Hitler made it seem as if the polish were attacking Germany, right? You're not just some blindless follower are you?

Can't we all just put aside our differences and blame it on Marylin Manson?

At 4/1/03 10:36 PM, Dounut wrote: You don't get it, Hitler put Germany on the map. Befor Hitler, Germany was a peice of shit country with no economy and was torn appart of by the Treaty of Versallies. Hitler took Germany and kicked it ass back into shape and made it a major world power that could have kicked all of Europes ass back to the stone age. This "coward" as you called him was a genious, his only fault was that he didn't listen to his military generals. Had he listend to them, all of Europe would be speaking German. Hitler killed himself probably because he knew that the allies were advancing into Berlin and he would probably be shot on sight or taking to Neurmburg and killed for war crimes.

Yeah, Hitler put Germany on the map, but for all the wrong reasons. He was a megalomaniac Napoleon-wannabee who thought if everyone thought and looked the same that most of the planet's problems would just go away. He wasn't out to just conquer Europe, he wanted to conquer its culture. He wanted to invade everyone and make them all think alike. Does that sound like something a great leader would do?

Now, maybe if Hitler wasn't such a fascist, he might have brought long-lasting prosperity to Germany, but due to his selfishness, his legacy has now brought shame onto the German culture leaving an embarrassing scar that will never go away.

And one more thing...I do know that Hitler was a professional speaker and could make you believe anything, but that alone doesn't constitute for him being a good leader. Being a good speaker is what cultists and people on infomercials do to make you believe their bullcrap; doesn't necessarily make them great people. From what I can tell, you've been listening to WAY too many Hitler speeches. Why don't you stop being such a sheep and face the music.

Kazuo "Laying the Smackdown on your Candy-Ass" Kiriyama

Hitler.
He was an evil man who knew exactly what he was doing. The bastard deserved to die.

At 4/1/03 09:09 PM, Dounut wrote: For starting WW2
Jews or Hitler/Nazis
If it wasn't for the Jews, then WW2 could have possibly been avoided, so I blame the Jews.

yeah way to support that

and obviously hitlers mom for not loving him enough

I blame the Columbine shooters.

I'm going out on my own and say MTV,because those motherfuckers killed Headbangers Ball for some pop and rap shit they show on TV now.

I blame satan.

At 4/1/03 09:09 PM, Dounut wrote: For starting WW2

Jews or Hitler/Nazis

If it wasn't for the Jews, then WW2 could have possibly been avoided, so I blame the Jews.

As others have pointed out, WW2 was a direct result of the inept handling of the aftermath of WW1. League of Nations, et al.

But specifically to your question, aside from it being a silly attempt at a joke/troll, it's just plain stupid. Hitler didn't go to war on the Jews any more than the South went to war on the slaves. He invaded Poland and other nations to expand his empire. Jews being targetted was not part of the war, per se, and besides, there was tons of anti-semitism in France and elsewhere in Europe before the war started, it wasn't unique to Germany.

Similarly, the South fought the NORTH, not the slaves, and similar to France, the North may have been morally above slavery, but anti-black feelings were always present there, as well, and they certainly didn't mind using the produce of a slave-powered southern agriculture. As a common saying goes, in the South a black man was usually treated well as an individual but black people as a whole were enslaved. In the North, black people as a whole were respected, but individual black people weren't treated too well when they actually tried to move into the neighborhood.

Jews weren't treated well in Germany, period. But if WW2 hadn't happened, there probably would have been a holocaust anyway, only it might have been worse with other countries participating in it, like France.

hahahaha! donut are you banned yet?

At 4/1/03 10:23 PM, Kazuo_Kiriyama wrote:

At 4/1/03 10:19 PM, Takhisis321 wrote: Hitler was a great leader, yep, but with f***ing wrong ideas. He led a whole country to a pointless war. In fact, war was declared to stimulate german economy...

I don't understand. I thought having bad ideas was something that constituted for someone being considered a bad leader.

No, a great leader is someone who can get people to follow them very well. It doesn't have to be for a good ideal. He was a great evil leader. Make more sense when put that way?

You can have the best ideals in the world, be a really moral person, and have everyone's best interests in mind as a leader, but if no one follows you, no one listens, and you are ignored and powerless, then you can't be very effective or "great" at leading, now can you?

I blame people. because without people, hitler would have never become that powerful.

At 4/1/03 10:41 PM, Dounut wrote:

At 4/1/03 10:29 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 4/1/03 09:09 PM, Dounut wrote:

If it wasn't for the Jews, then WW2 could have possibly been avoided, so I blame the Jews.

The war was not started because of the Jews the war was started because Hitler wanted to gain more land for the germans so he invaded neighboring countries. You might want to go back to the sixth grade history books to brush up on WW2.

Did I say that WW2 was started by the fucking Jews? No dumbshit, I didn't. I said it could have possibly been avoided. Had the Jews not inhabbited Poland and other countries, then Hitler would not have had to invade Poland and take the Jews out.

Um... that's totally stupid and wrong. He had plenty of Jews within his own borders to "take out," he didn't need to invade Poland to find more.

Hitlers objective was to retake the land he lost from the Treaty of Versallies and unify Germany with Austria.

Exactly. So why didn't you just say THAT? He also wanted ANY land that he considered part of Germany, whether it once was or not. Methinks he wanted all of the Holy Roman Empire of 1000 years before.

At 4/1/03 09:15 PM, DIGITAL_GHOST wrote:

At 4/1/03 09:09 PM, Dounut wrote:

If it wasn't for the Jews, then WW2 could have possibly been avoided, so I blame the Jews.

Even if it was because of the Jews, It dosn't justify brutal genocide.

WW2 was started because Hitler wanted to get Germany out of the the post WW1 shit hole it was in.

What?! are you stupid "even if it was beacuse of the Jews". Now what could ever be going on through your pea sized brain to ever give anyone an reason to belive that the Jew were even remotely responsibe for anything in WWII. Thats like saying that a child is responsible for their parents beating them. GOd you people make me sick your so gulible and naive. Open a real history book and actually read it. Fucking idots. Real easy to be rasict when your annonomous you nazis are nothing more than cowards I laugh at you.HAHAHAH cowards.

At 4/2/03 01:36 PM, panik wrote: What?! are you stupid "even if it was beacuse of the Jews". Now what could ever be going on through your pea sized brain to ever give anyone an reason to belive that the Jew were even remotely responsibe for anything in WWII. Thats like saying that a child is responsible for their parents beating them. GOd you people make me sick your so gulible and naive. Open a real history book and actually read it. Fucking idots. Real easy to be rasict when your annonomous you nazis are nothing more than cowards I laugh at you.HAHAHAH cowards.

It definately wasn't the Jews fault, I agree with you. Hitler needed a common enemy to rally the German people behind him, and after he eliminated the Communists, he turned to the Jews, an easy target. The man was an evil bastard, but a great leader.