The "martyrs" are the victims

[Commander-K25]

New reports are coming out about that suicide bomber and the van that ran the checkpoint.

They were forced!

Iraqi army and paramilitary forces, (Fedayeen), held the family of the suicide bomber and the husbands & fathers of the women and children in the van hostage so that they would go through with these feats. Truly sick!

They'll do anything to make the U.S. & Allies look bad.

Source: FoxNews

[NJDeadzone]

every crime and sin against humanity will find its justice...

[Alejandro1]

Just goes to show how sick some people can be... and how ignorant many are to it.

[swayside]

the iraqi embassitor went as far as to say that iraq is winning the war and we're just lieing about it.

[mysecondstar]

the only problem with this is there is no hard, concrete evidence to prove that they were. it can only be assumed.

[TheEvilOne]

At 4/1/03 11:35 PM, mysecondstar wrote: the only problem with this is there is no hard, concrete evidence to prove that they were. it can only be assumed.

Maybe so... but I sure as hell wouldn't put it beyond Saddam to do such a thing. I'm not surprised at all.

The way that Saddam is conducting the war is proof enough that he must be removed.

[thenark]

Using women and children is sick, I agree, but the US forces dont need any help looking bad. Not after they wasted that british tank crew from the air. Remarkably similar to the four canadians killed by an american bomb in afghanistan. If we accidentally killed one of your troops, the states would be screaming for the public execution of whoever did it. But when the US does it, its "acceptable losses"

[mysecondstar]

At 4/1/03 11:46 PM, TheEvilOne wrote: The way that Saddam is conducting the war is proof enough that he must be removed.

that is assuming Saddam Hussein is even alive. he didn't even show up to his own public address in Baghdad. so for all we know this all has to do with the Iraqi people's resolve. basically US intelligence is a sham. we don't know anything until we rush in there with a quarter million troops. that's what the US is good at.

[thenark]

So you mean to tell me that if invaded by superior numbers, the US would lie down and take it like a bitch in the name of fughting clean? You'd be using canadians and mexicans as cannon fodder. Men, women, or children.

[mysecondstar]

At 4/1/03 11:49 PM, thenark wrote: If we accidentally killed one of your troops, the states would be screaming for the public execution of whoever did it. But when the US does it, its "acceptable losses"

dear lord, please forgive me for what i'm about to say to thenark.

i'd like to see that happen. it is my own guilty pleasure to see US troops storm into Canada and give you all the heave ho because, in actuality, the US could beat the living shit out of Canada with no problem. but we won't. why? because the US government isn't as stupid as you are. not even close. i believe you need to get your head out of your ass and take your anti-US sentiment to your momma and shove that up her ass. because until you show me some sort of well thoughtout, semi-coherent thought, i'm going to continue to believe that you, not only need to grow up and learn something, but that you're dumb, vacuous, moron. can i hear an amen?

[Jimsween]

At 4/1/03 11:49 PM, thenark wrote: Using women and children is sick, I agree, but the US forces dont need any help looking bad. Not after they wasted that british tank crew from the air. Remarkably similar to the four canadians killed by an american bomb in afghanistan. If we accidentally killed one of your troops, the states would be screaming for the public execution of whoever did it. But when the US does it, its "acceptable losses"

Did you just pull that out of your ass? That is hardly true, Americans get killed by americans because of friendly fire all the time, in fact wasnt there a mid air collision between an American helicopter and a British helicopter which cause the death of a bunch of people.

And once again you bring something into a topic that was completely unrelated to the topic.

[thenark]

Yes, the american troops could strom us and kill us all. But perhaps thats because our society isnt focused on military strength, we support things like healthcare and education, not furthering our military goals. Maybe thats why we can go to a foreign country and not be spit on, and I have been to south america, so dont jump on me not knowing about it. We had to show them our passports or else they'd insult us and call us gringo and americano.

[mysecondstar]

At 4/2/03 12:11 AM, thenark wrote: Yes, the american troops could strom us and kill us all. But perhaps thats because our society isnt focused on military strength, we support things like healthcare and education, not furthering our military goals. Maybe thats why we can go to a foreign country and not be spit on, and I have been to south america, so dont jump on me not knowing about it. We had to show them our passports or else they'd insult us and call us gringo and americano.

once again. you apparently read what you want to read. i'm saying that the US ISN'T going to do something like that to Canada or just any other country or leader that looks at Dubya cock-eyed. if that were the case i think France can kiss their derrier goodbye. but did the US do anything to them? no. trade embargo of some sort? no. don't be a dufus. by replying to my post like you did proves to me that you are truly a dumb, infinitely vacuous, moron.

[thenark]

So you're saying that by not attacking their biggest trading partner, this somehow makes the US government smart? I'd call it simple economics

[mysecondstar]

At 4/2/03 12:25 AM, thenark wrote: So you're saying that by not attacking their biggest trading partner, this somehow makes the US government smart? I'd call it simple economics

dear god. not again. i'll answer this. first, if you think France is the US' biggest trading partner, you need to get out more often. second, YOU DID THE SAME THING AGAIN. you, once again, read what you wanted to read and went after that. i said they WOULDN'T. you prove my point that the US isn't as stupid as you claim they are. thank you.

[Slizor]

every crime and sin against humanity will find its justice...

Then I'll be waiting for them to brand Kissinger with the names of everyone he has killed on his genitals.

As for the topic, I won't believe Faux News until hell freezes over.

[Commander-K25]

At 4/2/03 05:21 AM, Slizor wrote: As for the topic, I won't believe Faux News until hell freezes over.

It's now just coming from Foxnews, many sources are reporting it.

[Der-Ubermensch]

At 4/2/03 12:06 AM, mysecondstar wrote:

At 4/1/03 11:49 PM, thenark wrote: If we accidentally killed one of your troops, the states would be screaming for the public execution of whoever did it. But when the US does it, its "acceptable losses"

dear lord, please forgive me for what i'm about to say to thenark.

i'd like to see that happen. it is my own guilty pleasure to see US troops storm into Canada and give you all the heave ho because, in actuality, the US could beat the living shit out of Canada with no problem. but we won't. why? because the US government isn't as stupid as you are. not even close. i believe you need to get your head out of your ass and take your anti-US sentiment to your momma and shove that up her ass. because until you show me some sort of well thoughtout, semi-coherent thought, i'm going to continue to believe that you, not only need to grow up and learn something, but that you're dumb, vacuous, moron. can i hear an amen?

Vacuous... is that your "word of the day"? Why do you have to sound like such a red neck and be so offensive when you want to defend your opinion? Its quite true that the US military is sometimes like a mentally handicaped 200 pound man: much strength, little brains to control it. America is quite reluctant to admit its errors.

[NoNameProphet]

At 4/2/03 12:06 AM, mysecondstar wrote: i'd like to see that happen. it is my own guilty pleasure to see US troops storm into Canada and give you all the heave ho because, in actuality, the US could beat the living shit out of Canada with no problem. but we won't. why? because

Uhm.. try not to pull irrelevant insults into topics. It tends to spark lots of useless posts like the handful after then =P. He never really mentioned Canada. Try to keep the insults on topic, I am sure you'll have way more than enough to talk about... heh...

Oh wait, you said forgive you for what you said.. lol. Okay. Forgiven!

[mysecondstar]

At 4/2/03 11:57 PM, Ruination wrote: Vacuous... is that your "word of the day"? Why do you have to sound like such a red neck and be so offensive when you want to defend your opinion? Its quite true that the US military is sometimes like a mentally handicaped 200 pound man: much strength, little brains to control it. America is quite reluctant to admit its errors.

har har. i'm a red neck!

anywho, the US is always held accountable for its actions. on the international stage no one can get away with anything without paying the price. if the US won't admit their faults, the world will do it for them.

once again, i'm a red neck! i wonder how many asian red necks there are... at least one i suppose...

[DarkCyrstal]

The way that Saddam is conducting the war is proof enough that he must be removed.

I disagree with that. I think he is playng this war very very well. Not using chemicle weapons, or mass destruction. If he keeps it up he might gain some allies unlikely as it seems.