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At 12/8/06 07:14 PM, POOPIES wrote: OH JESUS CHRIST, WE PRAISE THEE. FOR US YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR LIFE, AND WE ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL!

Im not the fucker didnt leave me a psp

Im personally a christian, my religion tells me that god is real.

But since this discussion seems interesting im going to write just something i thought, that i think is the probe of God Existance, at least, for me.

1) Who created us? In the past Christians said that we were created by God directly, Darwin denied it, we descend from primates.

2)Then who created Earth? They also said God created Earth, astronomy denied it, the Earth was created by the compression of gas around the Sun

3)Who created the Universe? After they discovered the Earth was a natural process they said that god created the universe. Astronomy denied it again with the Big Bang

4)Who caused the Big Bang? Then the church said that god created the Big Bang, theres no evidence of the real cause of the Big Bang, but now, some Physicists (Im not english i dont really know how to write it XD) affirm that its the cause of a time space continuum that creates and destroys universes for infinity

5)But after that, how was this time space continuum created?, to create a reaction there must be a reactive, something to work with, even a little atom. The entire laws of natures are based on this, there must be something, to something else to happen. You cant create a time space continuum without time and space crashing togheter.
So, this tells that somewhat, someone far beyond laws of nature created this.

Also i have another theory, Lets start with this.
An molecule, the tiniest stable form of a sustance we are like 20 million times more bigger
A Bacteria, the tiniest form of life, we are like 15 million times more bigger
An ant, 50.000 times more bigger aprox
A dog, 3,5-2 times more bigger
The Earth, i dont know how big it is compared to us, but you get the point
The Solar System
The Galaxy
The Galaxy Group
The Universe

What if our universe was just an atom, in another universe, we are all compared to nothing yet nothing compared to all.

Theres always something tinier, theres always something bigger, the universe could be nothing then and all compared to itself

Strange huh?

Did you know that the universe isnt just expanding. Its speeding up

At 11/24/06 11:34 AM, I7REI7I7 wrote: This, on the face of it, sounds like an adequate explanation for the randomness of the decimals of Pi. It could also be that our decimal (10-fingered-ness) mucks things up, in that there's perhaps a "truer" number-system which fits with geometrical perfection, and fulfills our desire for a Perfect Universe reflective of it's Perfect Creator.

ok then, lets define a number system where pi is rational, oh, i need to go buy some apples, i think ill get 1.2456788121231654984132121654981321981230198 01501010918981321980198.... apples.

if you know what i mean, a number system where pi where rational, would make all rational numbers, then be unrational, including the integers of all integer based number systems

At 12/11/06 03:05 PM, cold-as-hell wrote: Did you know that the universe isnt just expanding. Its speeding up

So...if a big bang occured in the past trillions of years ago wouldn't it be logical to assume the universe would be slowing down after losing the momentum of the universal inception via big bang?

At 12/11/06 06:18 PM, BanditByte wrote:

At 12/11/06 03:05 PM, cold-as-hell wrote: Did you know that the universe isnt just expanding. Its speeding up

So...if a big bang occured in the past trillions of years ago wouldn't it be logical to assume the universe would be slowing down after losing the momentum of the universal inception via big bang?

Acually the big bang was 12 billion years ago. And they only realised it was speeding up around the 60's I think. And ive heard its been said among the scientist comunity that when it stop expanding it shrinks. When it shrinks time goes backwards till it gets smaller than an atom and all its left if microwave radiation, matter and anti matter. Then BOOM! it starts off again. But its a new theory. And it would take a huge amount of energy to move the stars and planets and space has no gravity so its not going to stop for a while

Man, isnt that like a heartbeat, the universe heartbeating? that really weird

What if the universe was a living creature, of gigantic size?

What if the universe could die anytime?

thats really really weird

This is Nobel Prize Material guys, we should do a webpage with this discussions

From God Existance to The Living Universe
by Newground's BBS
lol

At 12/11/06 07:05 PM, Nighthawkstudio wrote:

:somthing to do with a sandwich

But you dont own a lab coat!

At 12/11/06 07:07 PM, cold-as-hell wrote:

At 12/11/06 07:05 PM, Nighthawkstudio wrote:

somthing to do with a sandwich

But you dont own a lab coat!

I like pudding

Then i shall buy it!
lol XD

Im not bold either, so i cant be awarded a nobel prize yet (cuts hair off)

At 12/11/06 07:11 PM, Nighthawkstudio wrote: Then i shall buy it!
lol XD

Im not bold either, so i cant be awarded a nobel prize yet (cuts hair off)

You

At 12/11/06 07:16 PM, cold-as-hell wrote:

At 12/11/06 07:11 PM, Nighthawkstudio wrote: Then i shall buy it!
lol XD

Im not bold either, so i cant be awarded a nobel prize yet (cuts hair off)

where the fuck did the rest of the text go

Atheists worship a giant plate of spaghetti.

At 12/11/06 06:25 PM, cold-as-hell wrote: Acually the big bang was 12 billion years ago. And they only realised it was speeding up around the 60's I think. And ive heard its been said among the scientist comunity that when it stop expanding it shrinks. When it shrinks time goes backwards till it gets smaller than an atom and all its left if microwave radiation, matter and anti matter. Then BOOM! it starts off again. But its a new theory. And it would take a huge amount of energy to move the stars and planets and space has no gravity so its not going to stop for a while

None of this answers my question or even challenges it.......It sucks being cynical of every belief, no central belief to hold to.

At 12/11/06 06:18 PM, BanditByte wrote:

At 12/11/06 03:05 PM, cold-as-hell wrote: Did you know that the universe isnt just expanding. Its speeding up

So...if a big bang occured in the past trillions of years ago wouldn't it be logical to assume the universe would be slowing down after losing the momentum of the universal inception via big bang?

Conventional wisdom would have us think this, yes. However, as recently as the last decade observational evidence has difinitively proven that the universe's expansion is accelerating. This, as you can imagine, set the physics world on its ear. Several theories abound, but none have yet to gain a general acceptance throughout the scientific community. Some say that after a certain distance gravity has a repulsive effect (makes the whole force equalling the cube of the distance between gravitational bodies a bit moot...), or that Dark Energy, a yet-to-be-observed phenomena has the repulsive effect that can override gravity.

Regardless of this odd evidence, the expansion of the universe points to the fact that at some time in the past, 12 billion years give or take a few, all the matter and energy in the universe was concentrated at a single point. It ma be, in fact that the dark energy's repulsive force is what caused the matter and energy to go bang, but the science isn't in on that yet.

Also, in response to cold, yes 20 years ago, the conventional wisdom was that if the power of gravity overcame the expansion and started to contract the universe, time would, theoretically, flow backwards. However, the originator of this theory has since amended it. No longer would time flow backwards. This new math is called the No Boundary Proposal. It posits a second dimension of Time, aligned at right angles to our observed time, called (misleadingly) imaginary time. Of course, the worry that time would flow backwards during the big crunch seem rather moot considering the new evidence.

As one famous scientist once said, not only is the universe stranger than we know, it is stranger than we can know.

What do you think it would be like when humans reach the edge of the universe

At 12/12/06 06:15 AM, internet-lord wrote: What do you think it would be like when humans reach the edge of the universe

We can't. Technically, the "edge" is the farthest distant photons from the origin. We can't travel faster than the speed of light, so we can never reach those photons.

Also remember that even if you could reach that photon, there would be an infinite amount of blank space forward, no light, yet no darkness, no substance, no gravity, no nothing, JUST NOTHING...

So the universe is infinite, but i also believe that is in some way round, having time space fluctuations over the edges caused by the advancement of time through it. I mean time technically doesnt exist where the big bang hasnt reached, it has no time

At 12/12/06 05:25 PM, Draconias wrote:

At 12/12/06 06:15 AM, internet-lord wrote: What do you think it would be like when humans reach the edge of the universe

We can't. Technically, the "edge" is the farthest distant photons from the origin. We can't travel faster than the speed of light, so we can never reach those photons.

true. But our technlogy is in its infancy. We may descover ways to fold space. Or do create a subspace field where the laws of phisics dont apply. Or better yet fly near the speed of light around a black hole and go back in time where the universe is increadible small and just cruise to the edge becuase scientists have found that the universe is expanding and speeding up so at the big bang its expansion (at one point) must have been slower.

Now to turn off star trek and come back into reality........There I am

not sure if i can prove it but
no ones seen him in in about god knows how many years

At 12/13/06 08:52 PM, plasmasnake1 wrote: technically we dont know if the universe is expanding or not right now... since the light is so far away what we see is really old think about it. think of how close we are to our sun yet the light is still 8 or 12 minuets old (I cant remember which) the closest star is 1,000,000 times that distance away from us and the farthest star we can see with our technology is billions or trillions times farther than that. it really boggles the mind of how old what we see really is yet it is current in our eyes.

Your right. The Light from our sun takes 8 minutes to get here and the closest star is 4.5 lightyears away. So in July in 2001 the light emitting from that has only just got here. But light traveling through space has nothing to do with the expansion of the universe

At 12/14/06 07:15 PM, plasmasnake1 wrote: no what i am saying is that we dont know if the universe is expanding right now due to the lag in the light

Lag has nothing to do with the expansion. If you looked at a specific star for 30 years with a super teloscope. You will see its changed position. The lag time is irrelevent.

At 12/14/06 07:32 PM, plasmasnake1 wrote: but we dont know if the universe is expanding because what we are seeing right now is what we see now is what was happening 30 billion years ago or whatever

We can observe the doppler shift of the incoming light and date the light based on how far it has travelled, so we do actually know that the expansion is speeding up.

Doppler!!!

At 12/15/06 09:57 AM, Draconias wrote:

At 12/14/06 07:32 PM, plasmasnake1 wrote: but we dont know if the universe is expanding because what we are seeing right now is what we see now is what was happening 30 billion years ago or whatever

We can observe the doppler shift of the incoming light and date the light based on how far it has travelled, so we do actually know that the expansion is speeding up.

Isn't that called "red shift" or something? I think it's comparable to how you hear a siren on an ambulance as it passes.

At 12/15/06 06:29 PM, LardLord wrote: Isn't that called "red shift" or something? I think it's comparable to how you hear a siren on an ambulance as it passes.

Correct. Also called the Doppler Effect, or Doppler shift. Works both for light and sound.

alright i cant prove that god doesnt exist and you cant prove that he does exist but lemme ask you a question do you blive in magic or voo-doo say levitation something you can see but cant explain no now we cant explain or see god so we have utterly no proof that he exists but we have science which can prove that we evolved and came from some explosionand hes another question if there is a god where did he come from was he always there and if so why did the earth appear only a few trillion years ago but hey who knows maybe their is a god and maybe science is right or maybe theirboth right but now this goes back to my other question moses talked to a bush that was on fire and never crisped he parted the red see and so on now you belive this if your a christian but you dont belive magic thats a fucking canundrum and he went up a fucking moutain and came back with some fucking cheap ass rocks now i dont know about you but i think god would have made them look a little better maybe steel or something moses didnt talk to god he was the first govenor who wanted peace in his people you fucking rtards

ok yeah the universe is speeding up as well as growing and it cant control its self and maintain the energy required to maintain itself so when it get to big a bigger bang happens and it shrinks ok heres how to represent it take a rubberband now start streaching it slowly then get faster what happens it snaps and goes back to its original form with great force now should say that bput over a flame it can heal and you can do it aain but it wont las as long so this thecnicaly proves that the univers isnt just growing changing dieing and reforming but also destroying itself that is what i belive

At 12/16/06 07:55 PM, hippylad wrote: ok yeah the universe is speeding up as well as growing and it cant control its self and maintain the energy required to maintain itself so when it get to big a bigger bang happens and it shrinks ok heres how to represent it take a rubberband now start streaching it slowly then get faster what happens it snaps and goes back to its original form with great force now should say that bput over a flame it can heal and you can do it aain but it wont las as long so this thecnicaly proves that the univers isnt just growing changing dieing and reforming but also destroying itself that is what i belive

Wow... I... don't even know how to respond to that.

Is it just me or did the retard quotient just jump a few orders of magnitude in here?

Step 1: Read your posts out loud to yourself. Everywhere you pause to take a breath... add a period.

We'll get to step 2 once you're ready to move on.

since you guys have written so much im not botherin readin it,lol, so im just gonna say this about jesus/god: as a christian/ theist i beleie in god, just incase you dont know what all this stuff means here ya go:
.theist: a person who beleives in god
.atheist: a person who does not beleive in god
.agnostic: a person who is not sure what to think
.humanist: a person who does not beleive in god but beleives in doin the right thing.
thats what they all mean, now my explanation to gods' existence is because how did the big bang start for those of you who beleive in the theory, something must have created it, scientists are running out of ideas so one nutty proffeser makes up the conclusion that it couldve started by chance...
if it started by chance thats like an new universe starting by chance right now i mean what would happen if it did, whos controling that from happening now, uv just gotta think of something, anything ever, an keep asking where did come from, an eventually ul get to god, so where did god come from, the answer is, no one nows, the answer christians come up with is that he was here since the beginning of time, an is an existence that no human being or non christian can understand, so if u understood everthing i just sed,theres ur answer....