am i the only one?

[swayside]

throughout the war posts, i've noticed a trend among most of the pro-liberationists. even some of the republican/conservative users are doing this.

they're saying that "it's all for the furtherance of democracy", "we need to spread democracy", "they need democracy", etc...

even in some of the policy topics, they're saying the same thing. things like "this is necesary for a democratic society", "in a true democracy, things would be better". etc...

i've found this nearly everywhere. basically saying that anti-democracy = anti-america.

am i the only one who thinks that democracy is a bad idea?

think about it. a democracy and be equated to two wolves and a sheep voting on that night's dinner menu. if i murder someone in a democracy, and 51% or more of the nation says that i was right, does that make it right?

[Dagodevas]

Well, Democracy is good because it's so flexible (especially here in America). Even the minorities get the say in, preventing them from being crushed by the majority. Democracy on it's own doesn't work, it needs input.

Kazuo Kiriyama

[Jiperly]

Democercy is great- forcing Democercy on another society, not so great.

[swayside]

At 3/31/03 07:47 PM, Kazuo_Kiriyama wrote: Well, Democracy is good because it's so flexible (especially here in America). Even the minorities get the say in, preventing them from being crushed by the majority. Democracy on it's own doesn't work, it needs input.

Kazuo Kiriyama

why should minorities run the country? if they are the minority, shouldn't their opinions be kept as such. besides, and government that makes any kind of distinction toward race isn't a good idea. poeple should only be classified by their opinions.

[Dagodevas]

At 3/31/03 07:51 PM, swayside wrote: why should minorities run the country? if they are the minority, shouldn't their opinions be kept as such. besides, and government that makes any kind of distinction toward race isn't a good idea. poeple should only be classified by their opinions.

Just because someone's a minority doesn't mean that they're less important than someone else is. We're all a minority in some way or another.

That Guy

[Commander-K25]

At 3/31/03 07:43 PM, swayside wrote: think about it. a democracy and be equated to two wolves and a sheep voting on that night's dinner menu.

As opposed the single, biggest, baddest most devious, ruthless wolf deciding everything for everyone else?

if i murder someone in a democracy, and 51% or more of the nation says that i was right, does that make it right?

They're called laws. The majority makes them to protect society because they constitute the majority of that society.

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/31/03 08:02 PM, Kazuo_Kiriyama wrote:
Just because someone's a minority doesn't mean that they're less important than someone else is. We're all a minority in some way or another.

nor should be considered more important...let's not go there ;-)

[TheloniousMONK]

At 3/31/03 08:02 PM, Kazuo_Kiriyama wrote: Just because someone's a minority doesn't mean that they're less important than someone else is. We're all a minority in some way or another.

My friends and I like to play "Slap the Minority." You get points based on how egregious of an offense you can do to one of them.

[Tarantulady22]

I just like the donkey better than the elephant. Elephants get tortured and then go nuts and stampede at circuses. Donkeys are like bunny-ponies and they like carrots. Rock the democracy, you cute little donkey! Hee haw.

[Freakapotimus]

The United States is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic.

[lapslf]

At 3/31/03 07:47 PM, Kazuo_Kiriyama wrote: Well, Democracy is good because it's so flexible (especially here in America). Even the minorities get the say in, preventing them from being crushed by the majority. Democracy on it's own doesn't work, it needs input.

Kazuo Kiriyama

That's the biggest sea of crap i've ever read. Yankland has a stupid voting system wich forces the nation to choose between two, yes TWO party's!! wow, that way the minority's really get a say! In the Netherlands, we have about sixteen party's. That way the minority's don't get left behind.

[Freakapotimus]

There are more than two political parties in the US; however, the Republican and the Democrat parties are the more popular.

[bumcheekcity]

are there any major left-wing/liberal parties in america?

[swayside]

the origional u.s. constitution was not drawn up with any expectations of the formation of parties. it was drawn up to allow for people to vote how they wish according to themselves. the party thing should remain irrelevant and only be used as a form of self classification, not classification by the government.

[NJDeadzone]

At 4/1/03 09:06 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: The United States is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic.

correct and many are confusing them both...

[Alejandro1]

At 4/1/03 09:06 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: The United States is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic.

I suppose that is one interpretation. It's more like a Democratic-Socialism.

[Freakapotimus]

I've found some lists of political parties that you can read through...

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/psusp.html#party
http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/U_S__Government/Politics/Parties/
http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm
http://www.politicalindex.com/sect8.htm

Here's some of the list:

America's
America First
American
American Falangist
American Heritage
American Independent
American Nazi
American Reform
Christian Falangist Party of America
Communist USA
Constitution
Constitutionalist
Constitutional Action
Democratic
Democratic Socialists of America
Family Values
Freedom Socialist
Grassroots
Green Party of the United States
Green Party USA
Independence
Internet
Independent American
Knights
Labor
Libertarian
Libertarian National Socialist Green Party
Light
Multicapitalist
Natural Law
National
New
New Union
Pansexual Peace
Peace & Freedom
Pot
Progressive Labor
Prohibition
Reform
Republican
Revolution
Revolutionary Communist Party USA
Socialist USA
Socialist Action
Socialist Equality
Socialist Labor
Socialist Workers
Southern
Southern Independence
Third
U.S. Pacifist
We The People
Workers
Workers World
World Socialist Party of the USA

[swayside]

and what would you like us to do with these party names?

[thenark]

Well what amuses me, is that Bush and Blair say this is in the name of democracy, when they wont even go about it democratically, they go without UN approval, and without approval of 51% of the worlds support, yet somehow, what they are doing is fair and democratic. And once Iraq is conquered and Saddam dead, will Iraq really be a democracy? or will the US just turn a blind eye once they get cheap, plentiful oil?

[TheEvilOne]

I'm not particularly fond of the two-party system. Often, third parties fail to gain support because some of their views are adopted by the Republicans or Democrats.

True democracy is not a good system, because the majority can trample the rights of the minority. That's one of the reasons our government was set up the way it was. It is a republic, not a democracy. That is why we have a two-house legislature, and is also why we have the Electoral College.

[TheEvilOne]

At 4/1/03 11:55 PM, thenark wrote: Well what amuses me, is that Bush and Blair say this is in the name of democracy, when they wont even go about it democratically, they go without UN approval, and without approval of 51% of the worlds support, yet somehow, what they are doing is fair and democratic. And once Iraq is conquered and Saddam dead, will Iraq really be a democracy? or will the US just turn a blind eye once they get cheap, plentiful oil?

Maybe slightly off topic, but I'll respond anyway.

The majority of the people in the United States and Great Britain support action in Iraq, and that the governments chosen by them (the US Congress and British Parliament) authorized Bush and Blair to do what they are doing. Also, the US and Britain were very close to having a war resolution passed democratically in the Security Council (though I said previously that the Security Council is not democratic in that the representatives of the nations are not chosen by the people of those nations). What happened? The resolution was pulled because of a very un-democratic veto threat from France.

And one more thing: the US and Britain are sovereign nations, and I would prefer that the people of these nations determine their actions, rather that the government of France.

[thenark]

Thats the problem with representative democracy. People are not accutately represented anymore. Fewer brits than CNN would tell you support the war. However, Blair wont represent this sentiment like chretien did out of ignorance or cowardice.

[Jimsween]

At 4/1/03 11:55 PM, thenark wrote: Blah blah war...

Once AGAIN you change the topic, this was originally a topic about democracy NOT war.

[thenark]

Yes, and heaven forbid anything but the abovementioned topic be discussed if they are somewhat relevant.

[Jimsween]

Nost people would rather not have every topic turned into a war debate, it wouldnt have took that long for you to have posted this in one of the millions of other war topics.

[TheEvilOne]

Getting back to the original topic...

I was reading about some of those political parties that Freak posted, and some of them were just hilarious.

The Southern Party in particular caught my eye.

"We advocate the return of state sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment, and ultimately, outright independence, to the Southern states."

Damn... I guess they really did mean it when they said, "The South shall rise again!" :)

They do seek to do it peacefully, though.

[WheresTheTartarSauce]

shut up

represent.

[panik]

At 4/2/03 07:21 PM, WheresTheTartarSauce wrote: shut up

represent.

Message from WheresTheTartarSauce:
yes, i have big breasts and im a lesbian

The question is can we see them.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/2/03 07:21 PM, WheresTheTartarSauce wrote: shut up

represent.

please go back to general