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I think the police and gentlemen in question were in the wrong.

The gentlemen should not have been there and left imediatly when instructed to. He should not have resisted when the police instructed him to leave. And even though it hurts alot when you get tasered (I know Ive had it done to me, and its only funny the first time) he should of just bit the bullet and done what he was instructed to. Basically the majority of blame goes to him.

The police should have arrested the gentlemen imediatly if he was refusing to comply with there instructions. Not stun him with a taser and drag him down the hall repeatingly stunning him as they go and then arrest him.

They should have instructed the gentlemen to lay down. Then slap hand cuffs on him. If he did not comply they should of used correct force to get him down on the floor with as little damage to the gentlemen and the officers as possible. Then charge him with failing to comply with police instructions.

Job done.

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At 11/21/06 12:26 PM, scottish-cunt wrote: MORE POLICE BRUTALITY!!! HORAY

Someone add cartoon sound effects and a laugh track.

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At 11/21/06 12:26 PM, scottish-cunt wrote: MORE POLICE BRUTALITY!!! HORAY

see that is police brutality. i'm confused about the guy that got tased around the end though since he seemed calm and non-threatining but there was police tape set up around him as though that was the end of a stand-off.

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At 11/21/06 04:09 AM, brown-recluse wrote:
Screaming at a police officer responding to an illegal trespass as they attempt to escort you out will put them on edge.

Yes, however they are supposed to practice restraint.

Police are not psychic, they don't know whether the guy having a screaming fit is just some wannabe rebel yuppie, or a jackass with a weapon that he's itching to use on a person.

Yes, it is a difficult job. No one's saying it isn't. But when the guy is in close proximity and there's several of them, and they're trained to subdue people as soon as they see them pulling a weapon, it's a bit different. If he were standing 20 feet back and it was a single cop, it might be more understanding. Even then, one tasing should have done it.

JerkClock, can you link me to the police website that states when an officer of the law touches you in accordance with a criminal complaint, that it's assault when you touch them?

Show where I said it was. Oh wait, I didn't. I said the student percieved a possible assault. You were just too stupid to comprehend it, my bad.

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At 11/20/06 10:38 PM, JerkClock wrote: You can scream "don't touch me" if you think you are being assaulted. Police officers will even tell you to do that.

You've got a horrible grasp on reality.

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At 11/21/06 11:11 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

You've got a horrible grasp on reality.

So says the man who failed to notice the word "think". That is not the same as saying someone is being assaulted. It's saying they may have thought they were.

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At 11/21/06 11:56 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 11/21/06 11:11 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

You've got a horrible grasp on reality.

So says the man who failed to notice the word "think". That is not the same as saying someone is being assaulted. It's saying they may have thought they were.

Can you just not connect your own dots? What's the deal?

First you claim cops encourage folk to scream "DON'T TOUCH ME!" when they are touched by cops. Then you retract to state that because he thought he was being assaulted, he had the right to resist arrest, attempt to incite a riot, and lie about a medical condition.

Can you even keep your own bullshit straight? Which story do you want to stick to?

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At 11/21/06 09:28 PM, JerkClock wrote: Show where I said it was. Oh wait, I didn't. I said the student percieved a possible assault. You were just too stupid to comprehend it, my bad.

I know how he feels, I percieved a bomb was in an airport once so I screamed "BOMB!!!!" and everyone got all riled up and some fuckass cop tackled me and then arrested me.

Fuckin bastard, I was only percieving, what the hell was his problem.

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Fuck you. The police should be able to pistol whip and taser whoever they want.

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At 11/22/06 12:00 AM, LazyDrunk wrote:

First you claim cops encourage folk to scream "DON'T TOUCH ME!" when they are touched by cops. Then you retract to state that because he thought he was being assaulted, he had the right to resist arrest, attempt to incite a riot, and lie about a medical condition.

How about you try argueing without twisting a persons words. Care to demonstrate where I said any of that?

Can you even keep your own bullshit straight?

I know exactly what I am talking about, the problem is, you do not. I said nothing you claim I did, you're just spin doctoring.

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At 11/22/06 12:49 AM, Demosthenez wrote:
I know how he feels, I percieved a bomb was in an airport once so I screamed "BOMB!!!!" and everyone got all riled up and some fuckass cop tackled me and then arrested me.

Fuckin bastard, I was only percieving, what the hell was his problem.

You have no point, provided you actually see a bomb you can shout that to raise awareness of it. Not neccessarily the smartest idea though as going outside and calling the bomb squad will cause less panic.

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I'm confused as to what this thread is even debating about anymore, police brutality or who made the most errors in the above posts. Please fill me in.

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At 11/22/06 02:18 AM, MindControlFun wrote: I'm confused as to what this thread is even debating about anymore, police brutality or who made the most errors in the above posts. Please fill me in.

Lazy drunk is deliberately saying I said stuff which I didn't. The thread is about police brutality, however, the pro-police people who are still debating are doing a poor job. It's sad because earlier on there were some intelligent points made on their side.

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At 11/22/06 02:05 AM, JerkClock wrote: You have no point, provided you actually see a bomb you can shout that to raise awareness of it. Not neccessarily the smartest idea though as going outside and calling the bomb squad will cause less panic.

You hear that? It is the sound of shit going over your head. Apparently it makes a sort of "whoosh" sound.

I will dumb it down for you. The kid percieved wrong. There was no brutality, the police did nothing wrong by touching or grabbing his arm when escorting him out, and the kid over reacted and put the cops in a tough situation when HE (not the cops) escalated the ordeal. He made a scene and the cops tried to difuse it in the way they thought was best since a mob was forming around the kid. You dont scream at cops, you dont refuse to cooperate, and you dont intentionally make a scene in a public place. The kid did all of those and he got the taser.

Your perception means jack fucking shit when it is totally wrong and has no basis in reality. That shows an unstable and possibly dangerous person so the cops responded accordingly.

Your argument for proving police brutality is so goddamn weak when you have to rely on "perception." I mean Jesus F. Christ. You are arguing for the kid and you are using his twisting of reality as a point in his defense? You fucking shittin me? Thats like a lawyer defending a murderer with an insanity defense. You may perceive and twist your own reality to accomodate your actions but you are still fucking insane.

You make the case it was the cops who escalated the situation by touching his arm and I will concede police brutality. You make the case the cops were in the wrong to touch his arm and I will concede police brutality. Just so you know, it would be best if you dont mention perception again.

Watch the video again. The kid screamed at the cops at least 4 times ("DONT TOUCH ME!!!) at the top of his fucking lungs then went limp. The cops and the student then talked for a bit, the cops told him to stand his fucking ass (the direct words were "Get up" and "Stand up") up and he was then tasered (you can tell from the screaming). THAT IS NOT POLICE BRUTALITY YOU FUCKING STUPID SHIT PANSY. He was uncooperative from the start. HE WAS FUCKING LIMP BEFORE THE FUCKING TASERING. Jesus Christ, you people are such flaming fucking retards. I cant believe you retards.

Proof this kid is a fucking idiot.

1) HE WAS FUCKING LIMP BEFORE HE WAS TASERED
2) He lied about a medical condition
3) He screamed some bullshit about the Patriot Act
4) He told the cops to "Fuck off" at 1:30ish
5) HE WAS FUCKING LIMP AND ON THE FUCKING GROUND BEFORE HE WAS TASERED
6) He was aware enough to make a list of the cops abuses of power and argue with them (1:17ish) and curse at them but he was to damned fucked up to stand his punk ass up
7) HE WAS FUCKING LIMP AND ON THE GROUND BEFORE HE WAS TASERED

Fucking stupid assed UCLA students "This is a mass abuse of your powers." Fucking pansy shits, go study some more. I hate self righteous cockbags at universities. Ohhh you are so tough and liberal, standing up to the cops. Go suck a cock you fuckers.

And JerkClock, go suck a cock you stupid fucking retard. You dont even wanna think critically about this and all you are listening to is the pansy ass screaming and twisting your emotions. Fuck you and fuck that self righteous cock sucker who wanted to make a political system about our justice system at the UCLA library.

I find it amazing that this kid was so messed up after like 4 tazerings his stupid ass finally moved (3:20ish). OHH THE TAZER MUST HAVE PARALYZED HIM!!! My fucking ass you stupid ass bunch of cock sucking retards.

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At 11/22/06 02:56 AM, Demosthenez wrote:

I will dumb it down for you. The kid percieved wrong. There was no brutality, the police did nothing wrong by touching or grabbing his arm when escorting him out, and the kid over reacted and put the cops in a tough situation when HE (not the cops) escalated the ordeal.

He made a scene and the cops tried to difuse it in the way they thought was best since a mob was forming around the kid.

So because the cops thought police brutality was okay, it was? Gee I hope you don't even get the idea that murder is okay.

You dont scream at cops,

I already said this was poor judgement on his part. He should have known he was just being escorted out and not assaulted. The cops however made a poor choice and physically attacked someone, inexcusable.

you dont refuse to cooperate,

He didn't. He was tasered and unable to move from it. Although even if he was just laying down to be defiant, the appropriate responce is dragging his ass to jail, not police brutality. Layingdown didn't exactly pose a danger to them.

and you dont intentionally make a scene in a public place.

You do if you think you're being attacked.

That shows an unstable and possibly dangerous person so the cops responded accordingly.

He was unarmed and demanding not to be touched, that's not exactly a threat. At worst that's an obnoxious jackass, but not a threat and not a reason to do what they did.

Your argument for proving police brutality is so <blaspheme> weak when you have to rely on "perception." I mean <blaspheme>. You are arguing for the kid and you are using his twisting of reality as a point in his defense? You fucking shittin me? Thats like a lawyer defending a murderer with an insanity defense. You may perceive and twist your own reality to accomodate your actions but you are still fucking insane.

You are the one twisting things, it is not at all weak to use a person's perception when it is directly relevant to the situation and how things should have been handled. If he were a known paranoid schitzophranic for instance, you'd be able to use that to your advantage since his perception would make him a threat. So no, using perception does not make an arguement weak, nice try.

You make the case it was the cops who escalated the situation by touching his arm and I will concede police brutality.

It was, they didn't do it intentionally. But they could have responded to his screaming to just ask if they could walk beside him instead if that would have made him feel better. Instead, they took the violent way out.

Watch the video again. The kid screamed at the cops at least 4 times ("DONT TOUCH ME!!!)

Maybe because they tried to touch him 4 times?

then went limp.

Yeah after he was tasered.

The cops and the student then talked for a bit, the cops told him to stand his fucking ass

And you know for a fact he was able to because?

1) HE WAS FUCKING LIMP BEFORE HE WAS TASERED

Prove it.

2) He lied about a medical condition

Prove it. I don't believe he talked about it one way or the other.

3) He screamed some bullshit about the Patriot Act

A lot of people talk about it, so what? While it is true that the patriot act didnothing but rehash laws that were on the books already, I fail to see how that was relevant.

4) He told the cops to "Fuck off" at 1:30ish

He said, "You mother fuckers", and since police brutality was going on at his expense, I say he had every right to. How does that make him in the wrong? Because he disliked them using violence on him?

5) HE WAS FUCKING LIMP AND ON THE FUCKING GROUND BEFORE HE WAS TASERED

Proveit. Don't repeat it Ad nauseum, prove it.

6) He was aware enough to make a list of the cops abuses of power and argue with them (1:17ish) and curse at them but he was to damned fucked up to stand his punk ass up

Taser doesn't effect the brain, it affects the muscles, that proves nothing.

7) HE WAS FUCKING LIMP AND ON THE GROUND BEFORE HE WAS TASERED

Ad nauseum.

And JerkClock, go suck a cock you stupid fucking retard. You dont even wanna think critically about this

I have, but unfortunately there are people like you who can not tolerate the opinions of others and throw tantrums over it.

I find it amazing that this kid was so messed up after like 4 tazerings his stupid ass finally moved (3:20ish).

Oh he did? Prove it.

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At 11/22/06 03:43 AM, JerkClock wrote:
So because the cops THOUGHT police brutality was okay, it was? Gee I hope you don't even get the idea that murder is okay.

He's trying to use perception still...

You forget your meds, dog?

I already said this was poor judgement on his part. He should have known he was just being escorted out and not assaulted. The cops however made a poor choice and physically attacked someone, inexcusable.

They didn't touch him any more. They took his word he had a medical condition where he couldn't be touched, perhaps a form of autism. Ever fucking thought of that?

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...and for the record, they had figured out his medical condition was full of shit when he started preaching about the Patriot Act.

The cops are fucking saints.

I bet if they'd come right out and say they thought he was autistic, you, JerkClock, would be among the first to cry "discrimination and prejudice" you filthy cockgobbler you.

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At 11/22/06 03:43 AM, JerkClock wrote: So because the cops thought police brutality was okay, it was? Gee I hope you don't even get the idea that murder is okay.

You arent very clever are you? I implied nothing of the sort. Show me the line that implied anything of the sort like this.

He was unarmed and demanding not to be touched, that's not exactly a threat. At worst that's an obnoxious jackass, but not a threat and not a reason to do what they did.

There was a mob forming buddy. No threat my ass.

You are the one twisting things, it is not at all weak to use a person's perception when it is directly relevant to the situation and how things should have been handled. If he were a known paranoid schitzophranic for instance, you'd be able to use that to your advantage since his perception would make him a threat. So no, using perception does not make an arguement weak, nice try.

OK, so let me get this straight. You are saying I could use that point to my advantage if he was a known insane person yet you didnt say how you could or did used that as a point in your argument. What was the point of those sentences again? I was directly stating you couldnt use his twisted perception of reality as a point in his defense and you basically concede that and somehow twist it to a point you won against me? The fuck?

It was, they didn't do it intentionally. But they could have responded to his screaming to just ask if they could walk beside him instead if that would have made him feel better. Instead, they took the violent way out.

I will get to this later. Just wait.

Yeah after he was tasered.

Ditto above.

Prove it.

Ditto above.

Prove it. I don't believe he talked about it one way or the other.

Ditto above.

A lot of people talk about it, so what? While it is true that the patriot act didnothing but rehash laws that were on the books already, I fail to see how that was relevant.

A lot of people talk about it when they are being arrested? Really? The police must be well vesed in political rhetoric then. Amazing.

He said, "You mother fuckers", and since police brutality was going on at his expense, I say he had every right to. How does that make him in the wrong? Because he disliked them using violence on him?

No he said directly "FUCK OFF" to the cops when they told him to sand up. I will get to this.

Proveit. Don't repeat it Ad nauseum, prove it.

Ditto to all the above.

Taser doesn't effect the brain, it affects the muscles, that proves nothing.

As you have asked me for proof, give me any proof this little cocksucker was unable to move. He was flailing around and pushing his weight against the cops the entire time and made a miraculous Jesus recovery after he was tasered a number of times and they finally moved him out the door.

Ad nauseum.

Ditto ad naseum.

I have, but unfortunately there are people like you who can not tolerate the opinions of others and throw tantrums over it.

Actually it was the video that made me angry. Every single time I watch it I want to throw punches at the self righteous little shits who hassle the cops and ask for their badge numbers as they are trying to difuse the situation. Real fucking good times you stupid assholes.

Oh he did? Prove it.

Fine.

Student: DONT FUCKING TOUCH ME!!! DONT TOUCH ME!!! Dont touch me. Dont touch me.
Cops: Get up. Get up.
*Garbled talking*
Cops: Stand up. Stand up.
Student: *Screams* (First tasering here)
Cop: Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Get up. Stand up. Get up. Stand up(Something along those lines)
Student: I HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION!!!
Cop: Stand up. Get up.
Student: *Crying*
Cop: Stand up.
Student: HERES YOUR PATRIOT ACT!!! HERES YOUR FUCKING ABUSE OF POWER!!!
Cop: Stand up. Stop fighting us.
Student: IM NOT FIGHTING YOU!!! I SAID I WOULD LEAVE!! I SAID I WOULD LEAVE!!!
Cop: *Garbled*
Fagass student one: *Garbled* get your badge number to file a complaint.
Fagass student watching: I want your badge numbers.
Another fagass student watching: Yeah, can we get your badge number.
Student: I got tazed for no reason, I was leaving this godforsaken place, you stopped me, you're abusing your power, here's your, heres your justice at work.
Cop: Stand up. Stand up. Stand up.
Student: Fuck off.
Fagass woman watching: You just shot h... *garbled*
Cop: Stand up or you are going to be tazed again. Get up. Stand up.
Fagass woman watching: DONT DO THAT!!
Cop: Get up or you will get tazed again.
Fagass woman watching: Dont do that!!
Cop: Stand up, get up.
Fagass woman watching: THATS SO WRONG!!
Cop: Stand up. Get up. Stand up.
Student: *Screams* You motherfuckers. (Second tazing)
Cop: Stand up. You want to stand?
Student: Ill leave. Ill leave. I said I would leave.
Cop: Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up or you will be tazed again. Stand up. Stand up.
Fagass student watching: Officers, we want your information.
Cop: Stand up. Stand up. Stand up.
Fagass student watching: THIS IS A MASS ABUSE OF YOUR AUTHORITY!!!
Cop: Get up, stand up. Get up. Stand up. Get up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up and you cant kick. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up.
Fagass student watching: Stop it you jerks.
Cop: Stand up. Stand up. Stand up or you are gonna get tazed again. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up.
Student: *Screaming* (Third tazing)
*Garbled* Mob surges forward and the kid is finally pushed out the library door and moves him at least 30 or so feet before he refuses to move again. Only thing clear I can hear is "FUCK YOU!!!." I can hear "Stand up" repeated clearly a number of times by the cops. I can hear somehting about "MASS ABUSE OF AUTHORITY." I also notice the kid in the white shirt gets real in the cops face. I hear a bunch of either screaming or just a lot of noise and the cops saying "Stand up" repeatedly again. The kid is tazered again I think because I think I hear him scream again. They move him some more I believe then he stops moving again and I hear "Stand up" repeated again. The kid stops resisting and is finally dragged out of the room he is in and out the door. The kid in the white shirt stops gesturing and gets in the cops face and the cop tells him to "Back up or you are going to be tazed to." I believe he says "Jerk" to the cops as he turns around.

What now bitch?

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The cops had every right to taser him over and over again! Because a person lying down on the floor poses an immediate threat to the officers, the student got lucky they didn't just shoot him with their firearm.

Because that is what a taser should be used for. Dangerous suspects that lie on the floor, unable to be subdued. Because when police officers arrest somebody after a long car chase, you always see them trying to prevent the suspect from lying down.

Because the taser is not meant for dissolving dangerous situations that could become violent, it's not meant for as a non-lethal alternative to using the baton or the gun. It is meant to ensure compliance. It is meant to make people stop lying down.

Maddox says it best: civil disobedience, is still disobedience.

I wish all you people that think there is nothing wrong with this incident a lot of fun in their police state. I'll live happily where they just slap handcuffs on you, drag you upright and take you away when performing dangerous acts like "refusing to stand up in public". This approach is bound to result in horrendous injury to the officers, which is why I respect them so much. Approaching people that are lying down without tasering the shit out of them first. Living on the edge. I think the officers do it for the rush of adrenaline, the thrill of danger. Knowing that you could be killed any second by the extreme lyingdownness of the suspect.

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At 11/22/06 07:35 AM, Togukawa wrote: I wish all you people that think there is nothing wrong with this incident a lot of fun in their police state. I'll live happily where they just slap handcuffs on you, drag you upright and take you away when performing dangerous acts like "refusing to stand up in public". This approach is bound to result in horrendous injury to the officers, which is why I respect them so much. Approaching people that are lying down without tasering the shit out of them first. Living on the edge. I think the officers do it for the rush of adrenaline, the thrill of danger. Knowing that you could be killed any second by the extreme lyingdownness of the suspect.

Sorry there kiddo. You seem to have no idea of what was going on there.

It really pisses me off how all these damn Europeans look at this video and seem to think they know all about American laws. That's a crock of shit. There was a great deal leading up to this video, and any American knows that. The cops didn't just show up there the moment that kid was told to leave. Knowing the average American police response time, especially for non-emergencies, that kid had to have been refusing to leave for a good 15 minutes AFTER the police were called. On top of that, he must have been refusing to leave or fighting really hard for securiity to even call the police. He was probabvly trespassing for a good 30 minutes before the cops got there, let alone before the camera started rolling.

Sorry, but please, know the situationvbefore you talk. This has nothing to do with the UK, The Netherlands or any other place outside the US. So if you're going to have input, make sure you know what you're talking about.

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At 11/22/06 07:57 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

Sorry there kiddo. You seem to have no idea of what was going on there.

You're right. This is so incredibly complex. An unarmed person is lying on the floor, refusing to stand up, and tased until he stands up.

It really pisses me off how all these damn Europeans look at this video and seem to think they know all about American laws. That's a crock of shit.

I haven't even mentioned American laws :/ This has nothing to do with laws... It amazes me how you seem to think that this situation is dependent on the country in which it takes place. This is someone getting tased for non-compliance while being no threat whatsoever, in what I have always believed to be a modern country that is not a police state.

:There was a great deal leading up to this video, and any American knows that. The cops didn't just show up there the moment that kid was told to leave. Knowing the average American police response time, especially for non-emergencies, that kid had to have been refusing to leave for a good 15 minutes AFTER the police were called. On top of that, he must have been refusing to leave or fighting really hard for securiity to even call the police. He was probabvly trespassing for a good 30 minutes before the cops got there, let alone before the camera started rolling.

And does that matter? For all I care, the guy could have been dancing around naked for three whole days before the cops came. The problem is the circumstances under which the subject was tased, and that was lying on the floor, unarmed, and unwilling to stand up. THAT is the problem, and whatever happened before is irrelevant.

Sorry, but please, know the situationvbefore you talk. This has nothing to do with the UK, The Netherlands or any other place outside the US. So if you're going to have input, make sure you know what you're talking about.

You're absolutely right. Because law enforcement, human rights, morality, it is specific for every country.
My point, which you have apparently missed, was that there are alternatives when dealing with suspects that are lying on the floor and unwilling to cooperate, as evidenced by law enforcement in exo-American countries like the ones you have mentioned, alternatives that do not involve inducing unbearable pain in a suspect that poses no threat.

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1) He did not refuse to provide identification, he had none, thus he tries to leave.
2) He was already heading down the hall, near the door, not refusing to leave.
3) He was not resisting arrest, they arrested him after they tased and dragged him out
of the building.
4) You could say he disobeyed and order to stand up, but please remember he was tased,
thus temporarily paralysed, had a heart condition, and was weak.

I thought that video was pretty funny! Lol! The cops in the video was like, STAND UP!!! and the other guys like AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! Cuz' of the laser! I don't give a fuck if the police are evil or not.

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At 11/22/06 08:19 AM, Togukawa wrote: Lots of stuff with no content.

Next time, read the previous pages, I'm going to repeat myself anf the other people who have explained this in depth.

Here's a quick summary. That kid was looknig for trouble and pushed every button he could. He ended creating a situation in whcih the police officers were quite justified in their actions. And yes, whether the polcie have a right to do that is dependant on the coutry. I pay my taxxes so people can keep people like that little fuck college student out of my libraries. I don't pay library taxes so assholes like him can go around causing scenes to prove points that wouldn't exist otherwise.

If this had happened in your country, go right ahead and jump to conclusions, but not in mine. I don't tell you how to live, and how your country should work, so stop telling me.

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At 11/22/06 08:27 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

Here's a quick summary. That kid was looknig for trouble and pushed every button he could. He ended creating a situation in whcih the police officers were quite justified in their actions.

We differ in opinions there then. The situation was an unarmed person lying on the floor, I don't see how anything could make violence justified there. Even if the kid just shot half of the students in the library, if he's out of ammo, unarmed, and lying down on the floor, he should just be arrested. Punishment is for the judicial department to decide. Unless you mean to tell me that in America you don't work with separation of powers...

And yes, whether the polcie have a right to do that is dependant on the coutry. I pay my taxxes so people can keep people like that little fuck college student out of my libraries. I don't pay library taxes so assholes like him can go around causing scenes to prove points that wouldn't exist otherwise.

Ehm, and what does that have to do with anything? I agree that people can't go and make scenes in libraries and blablabla. My problem is with the way he was removed.

If this had happened in your country, go right ahead and jump to conclusions, but not in mine. I don't tell you how to live, and how your country should work, so stop telling me.

Funny. Now why doesn't Iran say the same thing to America. Perhaps it's because the world doesn't quite work that way.

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The thing is, 1) they didn't know if he was unarmed. just because he was lying on the floor acting like an ass without a weapon in his hands didn't mean didn't have one in his pocket or hidden elsewhere on his person. healthcare workers are taught to regard every patient as if they have they have AIDS and protect themselves accordingly. Police officers are taught to treat suspect as if they are armed until it has been proven otherwise.

2) The guy was acting unruly and the police didn't want to risk the possibility of this fool grabbing one of their guns while they were dragging them out.

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At 11/21/06 12:26 PM, scottish-cunt wrote: MORE POLICE BRUTALITY!!! HORAY

Mid-way thru the video, it showed what looked like as if a closed off park, with tear gas thrown and people running all over. I saw that on tv before, it was a prison and a gang was targetting to kill another gang member which resulted in everyone running around in confussion while others went to target people they hated as well (resulting in 1 person killed).

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At 11/22/06 08:22 AM, Legendary-Slyther wrote: I thought that video was pretty funny! Lol! The cops in the video was like, STAND UP!!! and the other guys like AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! Cuz' of the laser! I don't give a fuck if the police are evil or not.

Finally someone who agrees with me!

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At 11/22/06 10:27 AM, brown-recluse wrote: The thing is, 1) they didn't know if he was unarmed. just because he was lying on the floor acting like an ass without a weapon in his hands didn't mean didn't have one in his pocket or hidden elsewhere on his person. healthcare workers are taught to regard every patient as if they have they have AIDS and protect themselves accordingly. Police officers are taught to treat suspect as if they are armed until it has been proven otherwise.

2) The guy was acting unruly and the police didn't want to risk the possibility of this fool grabbing one of their guns while they were dragging them out.

Fair enough. But then why shock him until he stands up, instead of taking advantage of him lying on the floor with arms spread to handcuff the clown? When police are escorting dangerous criminals, they handcuff them, they don't "preemptively shock" them every couple of minutes...

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The cops had every right to respond as they did. The kid was resisting the cops from the get go and he was prone and on the ground before the cops tazed him. The tazer did not paralyze him because he was resisting what the cops were telling him to do from the start.

Does ANYONE challenge this now? The student was making a scene and refusing to leave the library and the cops responded accordingly.

Again, the cops told him to stand up a number of times before he was tazed. That is very clear in the video from the diaolgue you can hear BEFORE he was tazed.

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At 11/22/06 08:19 AM, Togukawa wrote:

At 11/22/06 07:57 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

Sorry there kiddo. You seem to have no idea of what was going on there.

You're right. This is so incredibly complex. An unarmed person is lying on the floor, refusing to stand up, and tased until he stands up.

Couldn't you see the crowd forming in his "defense"? I know you might be too young and immature the power of a mob, but trust me, inciting a mob to act in your defense is NOT harmless.

Had you read the entire thread, you'd know that already. Read the BBS rules.

It really pisses me off how all these damn Europeans look at this video and seem to think they know all about American laws. That's a crock of shit.

I haven't even mentioned American laws :/

You don't understand police response time, as well as campus security vs LAPD.

And does that matter? For all I care, the guy could have been dancing around naked for three whole days before the cops came.

Exactly. You're a silly european who could care less. Thanks for your crazy european input, but it's worthless in the politics forum. Go to General.

My point, which you have apparently missed, was that there are alternatives when dealing with suspects that are lying on the floor and unwilling to cooperate, as evidenced by law enforcement in exo-American countries like the ones you have mentioned, alternatives that do not involve inducing unbearable pain in a suspect that poses no threat.

You seem to ignore the gravity of the situation.