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At 11/19/06 03:00 PM, Proteas wrote:
The cops were there to ensure that he left, the student was the one who started the whole incident by acting like a spoiled brat because the police officer put a hand on him. The cops aren't guilty of kidnapping that student, the student is.

Percieving what the cop did as assualt and screaming "DON'T TOUCH ME" may not have been the smartest thing. However people have a right to do that if they think they're being assaulted. Cops do not have the right to zap them for telling them not to touch them. Stupidity is not grounds for having your civil rights violated.

At 11/19/06 05:50 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

You also have to look at where this took place. The Library, at night, of UCLA is not a microcosm for America. On top of that, you have to look at how many students were there, close, if not over, 100. ONLY 3 were hassling the cops. Those who side with the cops know that this situation is not one you get into, let the policemen do their business. Involving one's self is only going to create more trouble.

There were plenty of others who came forward supporting the student. including several who were recording the incident on camera phone for evidence purposes. Was it all of them? Probably not. However this is far from being the first camera recorded incident of police doing stuff like this. It happens so much nowadays. Sometimes they even end up killing the person. And the camaeras don't lie. They clearly show the people pleading for the cops to stop, the cops continueing, and the person continueing to scream in agony.

Just watch the video, watch it and pay attention. If you cannot EASILY see that the kid is playing a game and milking the situation for all it's worth, I aks you to please never come back to this forum again, you are unworthy.

I did watch it, and he had every right to scream about being abused. Again the camera doesn't lie. He was shocked repeatedly for being limp. As far as those people who argue he was being limp on purpose? No, I'm not seeing it. But even then the solution is to drag his ass into a cell and charge him with resisting arrest, not electricution. I mean seriously, what were they afraid of? They though he might kill them all with his atomic snore?

That kid was throwing a 2 year old grocery store tantrum.

Again, not grounds for electricution. Stupid? Hell yes. Warranting of an attack that might have killed him, but luckily did not? No.

At 11/19/06 08:16 PM, JerkClock wrote: They clearly show the people pleading for the cops to stop, the cops continueing, and the person continueing to scream in agony.

Two words; ATTENTION WHORE.

As far as those people who argue he was being limp on purpose? No, I'm not seeing it.

If this guy was as paralyzed as people are claiming he was, he wouldn't have been able to tell the cops to go fuck off. They would have just dragged his ass right out of the building and into a waiting squad car, instead of giving him every chance to get up on his own and allowing him to piss and moan about abuse and rights violations.

They though he might kill them all with his atomic snore?

Do you hear the student's tone at the beginning of the video? That's not the tone of somebody that's "peacefully leaving" the library, that's the tone of somebody about to throw down and start laying people out on the ground.

Warranting of an attack that might have killed him, but luckily did not? No.

Every form of subduement used by the cops has the capacity to kill or do serious damage if done incorrectly or if the person is in ill health. If we went around worried as hell all day long because someone who knocks over a liquor store might get killed when a cop tazers them, nothing would get done in this country in terms of crime control/prevention.

Hey, watch the language. Not every cop in the world is a bad dude, but I have to admit those cops would definitely be scumbags, and I hope that they lose their jobs.

At 11/17/06 07:26 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

Don't give this Patriot Act, police are ovverbearing bullshit. That's all it is, bullshit. That kid threw a toddler tantrum and got punished for it, like any toddler would. The police do a hell of a lot for you, and to go around causing a stink when someone set them up to look bad is just plain stupid.

IT is not the job of any police officer to punish any citizen . that is left up to a judge and jury. they had no right to use violent force to subdue the person , he may have broken rules such as entering a building without proper identification, and may have resisted to some extent when being taken out of the building . but the only thing they should have done was handcuff and escort him off the premises. they may have even fined him, but he did not break any law, and he did not use any violent actions toward a person to warrant aggressive tactics that the poor excuse for police used on a citizen. they should be sued, and loose there jobs. plus I would seek jail sentences for them for Assault and Battery Felony, Assault with a Deadly Weapon Felony, Intimidation Felony. PLUS many misdemeanor charges such as simple assault. We need good officers and good people to lead this country, What we do not need is them to abuse there power and make people fear them because they can not handle the new found power , or there temper.

At 11/19/06 10:33 PM, troubles1 wrote: but the only thing they should have done was handcuff and escort him off the premises.

And how would they have done that exactly, when the guy wasn't about to allow the cops to lay hands on him as they escorted him from the building? Ask him nicely to put pretty cuffs on?

What we do not need is them to abuse there power and make people fear them because they can not handle the new found power , or there temper.

You know what they should have done? They should have caved his skull in, then you all would remember what police brutality really is.

At 11/19/06 09:24 PM, Proteas wrote:

Two words; ATTENTION WHORE.

Not a crime, not grounds for tasering.

If this guy was as paralyzed as people are claiming he was, he wouldn't have been able to tell the cops to go fuck off. They would have just dragged his ass right out of the building and into a waiting squad car, instead of giving him every chance to get up on his own and allowing him to piss and moan about abuse and rights violati.ons.

Talking is much easier than standing up, so not neccessarily. But again, laying on the floor when being told to get up is not grounds for eletricution.

Do you hear the student's tone at the beginning of the video? That's not the tone of somebody that's "peacefully leaving" the library, that's the tone of somebody about to throw down and start laying people out on the ground.

Or the tone of someone who doesn't want the cops assaulting him, and is angry that they are doing so.

Every form of subduement used by the cops has the capacity to kill or do serious damage if done incorrectly or if the person is in ill health. If we went around worried as hell all day long because someone who knocks over a liquor store might get killed when a cop tazers them, nothing would get done in this country in terms of crime control/prevention.

If he had knocked over a liqor store or killed somebody I would have no sympathy for him. But he didn't. At worst, he was just obnoxious. Surely you're not telling me obnoxious people deserve the same treatment as violent criminals and theives are you?

At 11/19/06 11:01 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 11/19/06 09:24 PM, Proteas wrote:
Two words; ATTENTION WHORE.

Not a crime, not grounds for tasering.

it is when it interferes with him being removed from the premises.

At 11/19/06 11:06 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:
it is when it interferes with him being removed from the premises.

Well he was walking out before the cop grabbed him and he perceived it as assault. I don't consider some who was leaving as is to be interfering with his departure.

At 11/17/06 09:55 AM, scottish-cunt wrote: If I saw that happening to one of my pals I'd knock the lot of them out.

Haha, I bet you would big man! I'm sure you'd be tough enough to take on trained and armed police officers all by yourself!

Face it, they'd have you straight on the ground and in handcuffs.

At 11/19/06 11:10 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 11/19/06 11:06 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:
it is when it interferes with him being removed from the premises.

Well he was walking out before the cop grabbed him and he perceived it as assault. I don't consider some who was leaving as is to be interfering with his departure.

Say, how long do you think it takes for a city cop to respond to a call?

At 11/19/06 11:55 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

Say, how long do you think it takes for a city cop to respond to a call?

Well, my school has plenty of security guards. But max, we also have 2 Police Officers who make sure everything at the school goes smoothly.

At 11/19/06 10:49 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 11/19/06 10:33 PM, troubles1 wrote: but the only thing they should have done was handcuff and escort him off the premises.

And how would they have done that exactly, when the guy wasn't about to allow the cops to lay hands on him as they escorted him from the building? Ask him nicely to put pretty cuffs on?
Ask him nicely to put pretty cuffs on?

:EASY do there job, They are trained to subdue a person , This individual was not violent he may have been annoying but That is another story. besides The real issue is not what they did to the student, It is the way they abused the power giving them. BECAUSE, no matter what the job weather it is a police officer , a judge, the President of the United States, even a Mod on this Forum, Everyone needs to be checked to see that they do not abuse the power they were entrusted with..

You know what they should have done? They should have caved his skull in, then you all would remember what police brutality really is.

LOL, that was a pretty good story there my guy. seriously I found it pretty amusing, And again I could careless about what happened to the person just like the kid in the library getting his Ass shocked, I found this guy and being sodomised just as entertaining. But the abuse of power was enough to turn my stomach, that is the true tragedy, The real nightmare..

Where some of you see abuse of power, I see understandable circumstances and conditions.

Why do people flock towards a scene whenever police are involved? The cops don't want you in their faces while their doing their duty, or attempting to. Once the situation has been resolved, then get badge numbers, names, etc.

Until then, stay the fuck out of their way and don't put them on any more of an edge than they already are.

Please?

At 11/19/06 01:02 AM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:

At 11/19/06 12:25 AM, fasdit wrote: That video was Police brutality if I have ever seen it.

i guess you've never seen what actual police brutality is.

I guess you're a sociapath.

At 11/19/06 11:55 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

At 11/19/06 11:10 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 11/19/06 11:06 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:
it is when it interferes with him being removed from the premises.

Well he was walking out before the cop grabbed him and he perceived it as assault. I don't consider some who was leaving as is to be interfering with his departure.

Say, how long do you think it takes for a city cop to respond to a call?

first off, having a shouting match with the cops isn't getting you out of a building any faster, in fact its worst as this guy found out.
second, they were campus cops.

At 11/20/06 12:52 AM, fasdit wrote:

At 11/19/06 01:02 AM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:

At 11/19/06 12:25 AM, fasdit wrote: That video was Police brutality if I have ever seen it.

i guess you've never seen what actual police brutality is.

I guess you're a sociapath.

LOL

I'm laughing at you because you sound stupid.

A sociopath is someone who consciously engages in a situation known to be volatile, yet ignores social and legal mores contructed to keep everyone safe and happy.

And you're a fag.

At 11/20/06 12:52 AM, fasdit wrote: I guess you're a sociapath.

not quite, but close.

Everyone seems to be ignoring the simple fact that the guy wasn't supposed to be there in the first place without his ID. He was asked for student ID but didn't have it and was asked to leave. When you're asked to leave somewhere you usually do it but if it takes you that long that they can call security or police on you then thats a few minutes atleast.

So the police didn't have to taser him but then he didn't have to be there without ID in the first place.

It's in LA for crist sake, the police there may just be the most raciest, cruel fucks in the world

At 11/20/06 12:57 AM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:
first off, having a shouting match with the cops isn't getting you out of a building any faster, in fact its worst as this guy found out.

Yes but it's not a reason to shock him, they could have just let him walk out on his own and followed him, and it would have been over. They did not. The fact that the cops reacted wrong does not make it illegal.

At 11/20/06 04:22 AM, JerkClock wrote: Yes but it's not a reason to shock him, they could have just let him walk out on his own and followed him, and it would have been over. They did not. The fact that the cops reacted wrong does not make it illegal.

Do you know how any of this works? I seriously doubt that. The library would not have even called the cops if that kid was leaving peacefully. That kid either had to have created a scene where the library deemed it necessary to call security or just plain did not leave.

Stop being so idealistic. That kid was asking for trouble. He CAUSED the problem outright, looking for a fight and he got one. He threw a fit when the cops tried to escort him out as they always do, with contact. If he would have just yelled and kept on going I'm pretty damn sure they would have let him. Iranian descent or not, those cops' jobs rely on their proper use of authority. It is 1 million times more likely that kid threw a bitch fit, than the cops were out to shock brownie. That kid probaly began to flail his arms and react extremely violently, thus giving the cops ground to use force. This comes to the point where we do not knowm, nor can we speculate on educated grounds. Something happened and the kid got shocked. All we do knwo is that he was on the ground refusing to move even before the first tazering. We do not know whether he was cuffed at this point, or if he was just refusing to do what the police told him to. No one here knows, the video shows nothing. I seriously doubt he could have been able to scream at the top of his lungs if he was unable to make even the slightest effort to get up. Even then, if he really wanted to get up, he would have calmly said he couldn't, not yelled at the cops.

As for the other students, they were very much in the face of the police officer. They were making a rough situation even worse. If they want information, wait until the situation has become calm, and more importantly, safe, before doing that. If they would have done any more than yell, they could have easily been thrown in jail for obstruction, and assualt of a police officer did not look to far from those other students' minds.

The conclusion is that kid was LOOKING for trouble, and did EVERYTHING he could to force the cops to take drastic measures with him. At every turn he coul dhave avoided the situation, had he wanted to, but he chose not too. It is the kid's fault this event happened. I do not absolve to officers completely, they sure were forceful with the kid, but in no way did they go farther than the kid pushed them to. It's that simple.

However people have a right to do that if they think they're being assaulted.

Odd, my understanding was that "you have the right to remain SILENT". Clearly this man chose to waive that right... ;)

The kid should be charged with inciting a riot.

Shit, that's why I don't wanna be a cop. Surrounded by 12 pissed off people who look ready as hell to beat your ass, and the only thing you can do is keep your cool and say "You'll get tasered too"? Shit, SCARY!!!!

At 11/20/06 12:09 AM, troubles1 wrote: Everyone needs to be checked to see that they do not abuse the power they were entrusted with..

And it is NOT the role of an angry mob to enforce that check. There is a time and a place, that was neither.

You know what they should have done? They should have caved his skull in

They should have simply tasered his ass, and CARRIED him out, since he CLEARLY would not cooperate under his own free will. Every chance that guy got to speak was him trying to incite a riot against the police who were arresting him.

Fuck, my MOM doesn't tell me to do things that many times (get up, get up, get up, get up, get up. Get up or you'll get tasered. Get up. get up or you'll get tasered.......get up....all right, TASER!)

But the abuse of power was enough to turn my stomach, that is the true tragedy, The real nightmare..

And what would you have proposed doing to a person who was not cooperating with you, and was then attempting to instill a riot?

I dont think any of us would want that to happen. FIGHT BACK!!!!

At 11/20/06 04:22 AM, JerkClock wrote: Yes but it's not a reason to shock him, they could have just let him walk out on his own and followed him, and it would have been over. They did not. The fact that the cops reacted wrong does not make it illegal.

but yelling at the cops as they ask you questions generally impedes movement and a quick and easy solution to the situation, that is a reason to shock him.

At 11/20/06 11:40 AM, scottish-cunt wrote: I dont think any of us would want that to happen. FIGHT BACK!!!!

if i were the guy i would have wanted to be tased because of how much of an idiot i made myself look like.

At 11/20/06 02:01 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:

At 11/20/06 11:40 AM, scottish-cunt wrote: I dont think any of us would want that to happen. FIGHT BACK!!!!

if i were the guy i would have wanted to be tased because of how much of an idiot i made myself look like.

You must want to get tased alot then. lol

At 11/20/06 02:15 PM, scottish-cunt wrote: You must want to get tased alot then. lol

not near as much as many people i know.

At 11/20/06 01:59 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:
but yelling at the cops as they ask you questions generally impedes movement and a quick and easy solution to the situation, that is a reason to shock him.

They weren't asking him questions, they tried to grab his arm as he was leaving, he percieved this as assault and was outraged. Even if they were though, shocking someone for just saying "don't touch me", no, that still wouldn't be an excuse, sorry.