Fuck the Police!

[Russki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs

The story goes like this;

A student was in the library when an authority asked him to show identification, he
left it somewhere and had none on him, he agreed to leave but needed a minute to
pack up, and leave. This authority had called the police, and they had arrived when
this student was already leaving, he was at the end of the hall near the door. The police
then touch him, to escort him out, the student asks "please don't touch me", they
refuse to listen to his request, and continue, they have no right to touch him.
They still continue to grab him, and the student then yells "Don't touch me!", and
after this the video starts. They then grab him, and he tries to get past them but they
restrain him, he starts to yell "GET OFF ME!". They then taze him. He screams, and
you hear the rest. He then states he has a heart condition . They ignore this and
order him to stand up. Let's use common sense, 50,000 volts went through this man's body,
he isn't fat, he's slim, he has a heart condition, and they tased him for over 5 seconds,
longer than the 2 seconds cops experience in training. He is paralysed temporarily, he
cannot stand up. They say "stand up or we will taze you again.", He refuses because he can't,
and they taze him again. This is the equivalent of saying "Drive this car or I'll blow out your tires!"
So then they drag him down, and you see what happens. Meanwhile a girl is threatened to be
tased just because she asked the cops for their badge numbers. Another man, towards
the end of the video you see him in a white shirt, gets yelled at "get out or we will
taze you too", he was asking them for their information. It is illegal for an officer to not
provide a badge number or name.

Here is what the news and police department says:

He refused to provide identification, refused to leave, resisted arrest, and disobeyed a
direct order from a police officer.

1) He did not refuse to provide identification, he had none, thus he tries to leave.
2) He was already heading down the hall, near the door, not refusing to leave.
3) He was not resisting arrest, they arrested him after they tased and dragged him out
of the building.
4) You could say he disobeyed and order to stand up, but please remember he was tased,
thus temporarily paralysed, had a heart condition, and was weak.

The true story is indeed true because it comes from a witness that was there at UCLA during this
incident.

So please tell people about this abuse of power, make it an issue, make sure it never happens again!
We as citizens need to protect our rights and ourselves! The government is here for the people, we
are to control the government so that we can maintain as a country. The government is not here
to abuse it's creators. Especially in America, this is not 1940's Germany.

Thank you for reading and watching the above video.

more info: http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38 958

[Russki]

/discuss

[fli]

What happened before he got stunned?
Before we all feel this is a great injustice... we got to make sure the history.

[Camarohusky]

Don't give me that crap. That kids was doing everythnig he could to cause problems, i can only imagine what he did in order to get his ID checked in the first place. It's like getting put in detention, and then flipping ofd the teacher in the name of not doing anything bad. That kid may not have desrved to be tased, but he denied an order by the police and was therefore breaking the law. He refused to leave an area in which he was not invited. On top of that he became extremely beligerent before they tazed him. That kid turned a harmless situation into something bad, not the police. That other kid at the end who got threatened with tazing wasn't exactly innocent either. Standing in the police's face in an already volatile situation. Why didn't the kid just ask to be arrested to?

Don't give this Patriot Act, police are ovverbearing bullshit. That's all it is, bullshit. That kid threw a toddler tantrum and got punished for it, like any toddler would. The police do a hell of a lot for you, and to go around causing a stink when someone set them up to look bad is just plain stupid.

[bumcheekcity]

What exactly is the situation here? He was asked to leave a University Library or something, and got tazered? What exactly could he have been doing to have merited a tazering? Surely they should only be used on occasions where the individual presented an active danger to the police. It shoudlnt' be used when someone is simply refusing to do something, without threats of violence. That's what handcuffs are for.

[LightMemories]

Ouch.....
That kid's gonna be ok or what?

Ah cops........Who needs em?

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

If I saw that happening to one of my pals I'd knock the lot of them out. What are they going to charge me with? Defence of another student? Bunch of bastards!

you cant tazer someone and expect them to get up staight afterwords!

stand up zap stand up zap stand up zap stand up

[Agentfortyseven]

That is really worng, what is wrong with that police department, he should sue that police department, gosh that is so wrong what they did to him.

[qygibo]

At 11/17/06 07:26 AM, Camarohusky wrote: Don't give me that crap. That kids was doing everythnig he could to cause problems, i can only imagine what he did in order to get his ID checked in the first place. It's like getting put in detention, and then flipping ofd the teacher in the name of not doing anything bad. That kid may not have desrved to be tased, but he denied an order by the police and was therefore breaking the law. He refused to leave an area in which he was not invited. On top of that he became extremely beligerent before they tazed him. That kid turned a harmless situation into something bad, not the police. That other kid at the end who got threatened with tazing wasn't exactly innocent either. Standing in the police's face in an already volatile situation. Why didn't the kid just ask to be arrested to?

Err, the student WAS leaving the building when he got stopped by the police who decided to taser him instead of just leaving their hands off and allowing the student to leave. Unless by "refusing to leave" you're referring to the minute the student spent gathering their things before leaving.

[LazyDrunk]

Screaming about the Patriot act, meaning he didn't have his ID in a place requiring it, instead of prompty GTFOing, doesn't help that kid's case. Campus police had time to notify city police, who AREN'T the promptest of institutions, who then tazed the guy repeatedly.

The guy was trying to set up a scene, he knew the rules, and wanted to fuck with the cops til the end.

Reprimand the officers for not simply shackling him and carrying him out, lock the kid up on each charge the cops filed.

[bumcheekcity]

At 11/17/06 12:32 PM, LazyDrunk wrote::

Reprimand the officers for not simply shackling him and carrying him out, lock the kid up on each charge the cops filed.

"Shouting about the Patriot Act" is a crime now? Is "being a bit annoying" also a crime? Nice country.

[LazyDrunk]

At 11/17/06 12:49 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: At 11/17/06 12:32 PM, LazyDrunk wrote::

Reprimand the officers for not simply shackling him and carrying him out, lock the kid up on each charge the cops filed.

"Shouting about the Patriot Act" is a crime now? Is "being a bit annoying" also a crime? Nice country.

Energy to scream that loud about something usual means you've got enough energy to obey a police order.

Or did that seem completely legit to you?

[bumcheekcity]

At 11/17/06 01:10 PM, LazyDrunk wrote::

Energy to scream that loud about something usual means you've got enough energy to obey a police order.

Or did that seem completely legit to you?

I am unaware of the effects of tasers on the muscular structure of the legs and torso. I should imagine it's not favourable. They shouldn't have tasered, they should have handcuffed. Shouting loudly does not imply someone is dangerous. Tasering someone whos only crime was to forget his ID, and then reportedly be an idiot about it isnt right. Handcuff them, remove them, give them a night in the cells, but to intentionally cause pain, multiple times?

Does that seem completely lefit to you?

[LazyDrunk]

At 11/17/06 01:31 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: I am unaware of the effects of tasers on the muscular structure of the legs and torso.

Electric currents cause all muscles in the body to contract, after which, the muscles may feel fatigued. His legs would feel as though he'd climbed a few sets of stairs. He would be slightly short of breath, and most likely fully aware of his situation.

He had a medical condtition? Obviously it wasn't important enough to kept in his wallet for emergency purposes.

I should imagine it's not favourable.

No shit? Pepper spray hurts too, in case you're wondering.

They shouldn't have tasered, they should have handcuffed.

Why? Had they searched the man previously? Did they know his criminal record? Was there a warrant out for his arrest? Was he in a place he wasn't supposed to be in, and asked to leave multiple times preceding the videotaped incident?

Think about that one for a minute.

Shouting loudly does not imply someone is dangerous.

Yes, this is true. But disobeying multiple direct orders implies the person is anything but.

Tasering someone whos only crime was to forget his ID, and then reportedly be an idiot about it isnt right.

They tasered him because they did not know if he was a threat. He could've had a blade on him, been on a pyschoactive drug, or a bum off the street looking for a good victim to mug.

I contest the officers were in their full rights to taser this menace to society.

Not as many times as they did, but the initial tasering followed by prompt submission should've been the routine. The fact the guy felt he needed to be a real prick about it just goes to show that cops are people too, who get fed up dealing with assholes who think they're above the system.

Handcuff them, remove them, give them a night in the cells, but to intentionally cause pain, multiple times?

They're only human. You can find fault here wherever you look, but the fact remains that local city authorities shouldn't have been needed for this punk to play by the rules. For everyone's safety.

Does that seem completely lefit to you?

It seems completely understandable.

Putting myself in both their shoes, the perp and the cops, I'd align more with the cops sense of duty (and subsequent taser frenzy) than with an antongonizing little punk with an agenda.

But that's just me.

[qygibo]

At 11/17/06 12:32 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: Screaming about the Patriot act, meaning he didn't have his ID in a place requiring it, instead of prompty GTFOing, doesn't help that kid's case. Campus police had time to notify city police, who AREN'T the promptest of institutions, who then tazed the guy repeatedly.

The guy was trying to set up a scene, he knew the rules, and wanted to fuck with the cops til the end.

Reprimand the officers for not simply shackling him and carrying him out, lock the kid up on each charge the cops filed.

The police were unreasonable. There was no reason to Taser someone who is being nonviolent, indeed, there was no reason to even lay a hand on the student, since as far as it was evident the student showed no physical danger to the people around him. Those police are going to have quite the lawsuit on their hands.

[LazyDrunk]

At 11/17/06 02:02 PM, qygibo wrote: The police were unreasonable.

The campus police, or the city police who were called later when the man still didn't leave the premises.

I got a hunch this douche knew the policy on having his Bruins campus ID in the campus library, and wanted to fuck with them any way he could.

Notice how nobody vouched for this cock-knocker?

There was no reason to Taser someone who is being nonviolent, indeed, there was no reason to even lay a hand on the student, since as far as it was evident the student showed no physical danger to the people around him.

??

There was reason to lay hand on him, even reason to carry his out kicking and screaming if so chose, you touchy-feely bleeding-heart liberal scumbag. He disobeyed MULTIPLE direct orders, then acted like a five year old without his trike when thewy upped the ante.

Those police are going to have quite the lawsuit on their hands.

Keep voting democrat you pussy.

[bumcheekcity]

At 11/17/06 01:49 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: Electric currents cause all muscles in the body to contract, after which, the muscles may feel fatigued. His legs would feel as though he'd climbed a few sets of stairs. He would be slightly short of breath, and most likely fully aware of his situation.

He had a medical condtition? Obviously it wasn't important enough to kept in his wallet for emergency purposes.

I'm just a little confused here. How does he keep a medical condition in his wallet? If you mean his student card, I'm sure he probably didn't THINK he'd be tasered today.

Why? Had they searched the man previously? Did they know his criminal record? Was there a warrant out for his arrest? Was he in a place he wasn't supposed to be in, and asked to leave multiple times preceding the videotaped incident?

Think about that one for a minute.

I should expect they didn't at all. But you can arrest someone without a warrent for someones arrest, and I'm sure there arent Handcuff warrents, are there? Handcuffing him would be a nice, easy way to resolve the situation without causing further pain to the guy, or further commotion and disturbance to the other students.

Yes, this is true. But disobeying multiple direct orders implies the person is anything but.

Did you have a point here? Shouting loudly means he's not dangerous, you've agreed to that, disobeying direct orders implies someone is being civilly disobedient. Handcuff him, not cause him pain.

They tasered him because they did not know if he was a threat. He could've had a blade on him, been on a pyschoactive drug, or a bum off the street looking for a good victim to mug.

I contest the officers were in their full rights to taser this menace to society.

Not as many times as they did, but the initial tasering followed by prompt submission should've been the routine. The fact the guy felt he needed to be a real prick about it just goes to show that cops are people too, who get fed up dealing with assholes who think they're above the system.

Honestly, a man who 'refuses to leave a libary' and 'shouts' is a menace now? Well, that blows all my opinions out of the water. Indeed, he could have been on drugs, had weapons on him, etc. But with his hands in cuffs, all those points would be moot. They could have searched him after they cuffed him.

Indeed, what does a person have to do to warrant the taser? Be unco-operative? Undoubtaly, the guy was being very uncoperative after the initial tasering, as we cen see in the video. Before the first tasering, he must either have been violent, or not violent. Only if the police officers were concerned for their safety should they have initially tasered him, you and I both dont have a clue weather the initial tasering was justified or not (we werent there). However, we appear to be in agreement that the subsequent ones werent.

They're only human. You can find fault here wherever you look, but the fact remains that local city authorities shouldn't have been needed for this punk to play by the rules. For everyone's safety.

It seems completely understandable.

Putting myself in both their shoes, the perp and the cops, I'd align more with the cops sense of duty (and subsequent taser frenzy) than with an antongonizing little punk with an agenda.

But that's just me.

I feel that I, myself would have done what they said much more quickly than this guy. But you cant argue that, with the option of handcuffing or tasering, they chose tasering. It's not hard to handcuff someone, I'm sure, if he's lying on the ground, and you have multiple police officers around him. The guy was being an idiot. Does being an idiot warrent the repeat infliction of pain to cause compliance, rather than equally plausible non-painful methods?

[qygibo]

The video didn't show all of what had happened, based off of reviews that were left by other users and based off of the school news article that was left. Other articles state that the student is in part to blame, as he decided to "resist" by laying limp on the floor and encourage others to join in (which is indeed a dick move and would have gotten the student in trouble with the university at the very least)

However, that at best is nonviolent resistance that does not merit Taser usage, especially repeated usage in which you then expect the person to be able to get up 30 seconds later (which just is not going to happen after you get blasted with a Taser).

And by the way, I know it's common around here, but there's no need for the name calling.

[LazyDrunk]

At 11/17/06 02:16 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

He had a medical condtition? Obviously it wasn't important enough to kept in his wallet for emergency purposes.

I'm just a little confused here. How does he keep a medical condition in his wallet?

What medical condition do people have that isn't listed on thier insurance card?

I'm sure he probably didn't THINK he'd be tasered today.

What makes you think that? Honestly?

Why? Had they searched the man previously? Did they know his criminal record? Was there a warrant out for his arrest? Was he in a place he wasn't supposed to be in, and asked to leave multiple times preceding the videotaped incident?

Think about that one for a minute.

I should expect they didn't at all. But you can arrest someone without a warrent for someones arrest, and I'm sure there arent Handcuff warrents, are there? Handcuffing him would be a nice, easy way to resolve the situation without causing further pain to the guy, or further commotion and disturbance to the other students.

Handcuffing requires close proximity to the perp, and after they "GRABBED MY ARM!!!!!!!!!!!" he flipped out.

So BCC, how do you handcuff someone without touching them?

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

In this fit of Anger lets start attacking police officers!!!

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 11/17/06 02:35 PM, scottish-cunt wrote: In this fit of Anger lets start attacking police officers!!!

And lets see them billy club your ass.

[Madferit]

At 11/17/06 02:08 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

Those police are going to have quite the lawsuit on their hands.

Keep voting democrat you pussy.

OMFG I lol'ed so hard, I <3 you!

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

At 11/17/06 02:44 PM, USERNAMED wrote: everyone hates the police UNTIL THEY NEED THEM! :D

yeah and your point?

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 11/17/06 02:56 PM, scottish-cunt wrote:

At 11/17/06 02:44 PM, USERNAMED wrote: everyone hates the police UNTIL THEY NEED THEM! :D

yeah and your point?

Your like the French.

[Neoptolemus]

At 11/17/06 02:44 PM, USERNAMED wrote: everyone hates the police UNTIL THEY NEED THEM! :D

I hate the police because of the fact that they're useless (well in Britain atleast) so therefore even if i needed them there'd be no point as they're only good for killing innocent people and giving out ASBOs.

[bumcheekcity]

At 11/17/06 02:20 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: What medical condition do people have that isn't listed on thier insurance card?

Ah, fair call. We dont have medical insurance cards in the UK. Indeed, it would be noted on such a card if he did have one. Seemingly, he didn't.

What makes you think that? Honestly?

? Do YOU think that you'll be tasered today?

Handcuffing requires close proximity to the perp, and after they "GRABBED MY ARM!!!!!!!!!!!" he flipped out.

So BCC, how do you handcuff someone without touching them?

I'm a little confused by this. You dont. Once he flipped out after touching him, if you deem arrest or incapacitation is necessary, you touch him again, grab his arm again and clamp handcuffs on him.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 11/17/06 12:49 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: At 11/17/06 12:32 PM, LazyDrunk wrote::

Reprimand the officers for not simply shackling him and carrying him out, lock the kid up on each charge the cops filed.

"Shouting about the Patriot Act" is a crime now? Is "being a bit annoying" also a crime? Nice country.

It isn't a crime, the patriot act should have nothing to do with what happened here, unless of course the student was later found with a bomb in his backpack.

It's strange, my dad's a police officer in lynbrook, he never has these problems. Infact he hasn't used his gun in 5 years.

The Police were at fault here, not the patriot at, not the "System" The police cant even use the patriot act as an excuse. if there's something wrong with the over all training that the police receive, then your going to have to start over, new academy, new officers, new training. if it was just these 2 police officers who were probably in a pissy mood, then they need to be re-evaulated, possibly suspensed or fired.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

Those police were rebelling against the oppressive laws that controlled how they did their job, but that facist kid tried to get them arrest for defending their rights!

[LazyDrunk]

At 11/17/06 03:12 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Indeed, it would be noted on such a card if he did have one. Seemingly, he didn't.

It's sad being unprepared can contribute to a scenario like this. In combination with being uncooperative... yeah.

? Do YOU think that you'll be tasered today?

With my current mindset toward police and authority, as well as my preparedness for interaction with the law, no, I don't believe I'll be tasered today.

I'm a little confused by this. You dont. Once he flipped out after touching him, if you deem arrest or incapacitation is necessary, you touch him again, grab his arm again and clamp handcuffs on him.

I can't argue against that.

I really think the guy was trying to do his best to get the cops to make a mistake, and they did (could've controlled the situation much better). But the grey area that the perp pulled the cops into isn't far enough to warrant serious career-influencing reprimands.

I think it should be a learning experience for both sides.

..and an open question to the masses: who exactly are cops required to give their badge numbers to?

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

At 11/17/06 02:58 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 11/17/06 02:56 PM, scottish-cunt wrote:

At 11/17/06 02:44 PM, USERNAMED wrote: everyone hates the police UNTIL THEY NEED THEM! :D

yeah and your point?

Your like the French.

I dont smell that bad