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At 11/17/06 03:05 AM, Serphyas wrote: Somehow I can't classify this as "police brutality." I see an elitist, smart-ass college student who thinks he knows how the world works, i.e. that pussy-ass "Here's your Patriot Act for ya!" comment he made to the police.

Ok. Well, think of it this way, using a tazer when he has a medical condition could've been equal to lethal force. If he died, those cops would be getting ready for a Court date. Hell they probably are now, because he can sue them out the ass. His comment is protected by our first amendment, he wasn't given the right to remain silent, as he wasn't arrested. The cops threatening to taze anyone who asked for a badge number is another reason they can be fired. They have to give their ID and can't intimidate civilians. I wish they tazed the 2 bystanders so this kid and them could've got a Class Action Law Suit. Overall, these cops deserve to be beaten, badly. Typical authority abuse.

Hey, way to spin the issue in your favor, PimpDevil. When I see this vid, I see a spoiled brat who deserved everything he got.

Listen, I went to an alternative school for kids with anger management problems and/or ADHD. I know these kids think they're hot shit, but they're not. From what I see in this video, the officers calmly talked to him and he yelled back at them. As I continue watching, this I'm thinking to myself: "why aren't the police dragging this mofo out of there?" If anything the police didn't do enough.

I even chuckled a little when I saw the kid throw his leg up when he was tazered the third time. Okay, I'm a heartless bastard and that was wrong, but the only pity this kid deserves is for being so f--ked up. To think the students had the audacity to argue the officers about their "harsh treatment".

The Police department isn't tazering him for the sake of tazering. He's being tazered because he refuses to cooperate. God bless the UCPD, really. They have to put up with this shit on a daily basis, never mind the fact that we have people screaming police brutality because they can't handle knowing that being a police officer isn't always pretty.

At 11/17/06 03:25 AM, PimpDevil wrote: and the first part he screams wich is a little incoherant is "i said i would leave"

Ya know for someone who was willing to leave, he sure as Hell refused to do so.

How many times did the cops yell at him to get up? Damn, and people are still defending this asshat?

At 11/17/06 03:05 AM, Serphyas wrote: Bullshit. They didn't call the authorities because he said "he needed a minute to pack up." He refused to leave, and then refused to cooperate with the police officers after they were called. He got tazed.

Somehow I can't classify this as "police brutality." I see an elitist, smart-ass college student who thinks he knows how the world works, i.e. that pussy-ass "Here's your Patriot Act for ya!" comment he made to the police.

Wrong.

I go to school here.

The story goes: library policy requires ID after hours to prevent the homeless, etc coming in for shelter. He doesn't have his ID, refused to leave. Security called police while disputing with him. He decided to leave, then police arrived, then this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E

Regardless whether you think he's elitist or not, the police could've dragged him out just like they did at the end of the video. Instead they decided to stun him a few more times before doing so.

Was tazering really the way to go? I mean, if you're going to force someone out there and its 3 vs. 1, the cops could have overpowered him if it was neccesary. And after the first taze, they could have just cuffed him and dragged him out. It just seemed to me like they wanted to tazer him more. He obviously didn't have the strength to get up after being tazered. Both people in this situation handled it horribly.

ahahah heinousdude isnt it funny how this thing is basically bigger on the internet and nationwide then it is here on campus

At 11/17/06 08:27 PM, dicF00D wrote: ahahah heinousdude isnt it funny how this thing is basically bigger on the internet and nationwide then it is here on campus

Yes.

I didn't know of this until my roommate told me today.

UC science classes don't leave time to listen to news anymore.

The police should've been trained to resolve situations with minimal force. From the point the police got involved, the student has always agreed to leave. In addition there are cases when taser has been proved lethal.

Better have your BruinCard with you dicFOOD.

It's impossible to look at the whole situation objectively if we don't have a video of the whole thing. The video starts after the police grab him, so we have no proof that the kid didn't refuse to leave.

Either way, however, I think the fact that they used the taser on him after he said he had a medical condition, and then shocked him again for not standing up while he was still in extreme pain, is ridiculous.

I've noticed that quite a few of you are saying he deserved it. But the fact that the student is a "whiny brat" does not mean that he deserves to have a taser used on him several times just for not standing up right away.

In other words: The student might have been asking for it, but that's no excuse for the police officers to act the way they did. The student said that he couldn't get up -- that he had a medical condition -- and they ignored him while they could have easily helped him to stand up instead.

At 11/17/06 07:15 PM, HAcoreRD wrote:

At 11/17/06 03:05 AM, Serphyas wrote: Somehow I can't classify this as "police brutality." I see an elitist, smart-ass college student who thinks he knows how the world works, i.e. that pussy-ass "Here's your Patriot Act for ya!" comment he made to the police.

Ok. Well, think of it this way, using a tazer when he has a medical condition could've been equal to lethal force.

And if it was found he DOESN'T have a medical condition? Would that change your opinion of this scenario, just a little bit?

The cops threatening to taze anyone who asked for a badge number is another reason they can be fired.

Did you hear that on the tape? I didn't, none of the 6 or 7 times I've listened. The perp was obviously trying to start a riot or other social upheaval. Why else would he continue to make the scene instead of cooperating with the officers and making his case afterwards? He forced their hand, albeit a heavy one.

They have to give their ID and can't intimidate civilians.

Not immediately and not if the situation is deemed dangerous, as it apparently was. Other officers were seen chatting with students (one student even poked a finger in the officers chest). He's lucky he wasn't also arrested.

I wish they tazed the 2 bystanders so this kid and them could've got a Class Action Law Suit. Overall, these cops deserve to be beaten, badly. Typical authority abuse.

I wish people would just follow the fucking rules once in awhile. He pissed in someone's cereal and wonders why he got worked over.

It gets me hard watching him leap to his feet after the 3rd or 4th taze. Like, pure redheaded bondage shit I'm talkin.... man.

At 11/17/06 08:41 PM, subpar wrote: It's impossible to look at the whole situation objectively if we don't have a video of the whole thing.

Yes you do. I just told you. He was convinced to leave and by the time he was acting on leaving, the police got there.

I've noticed that quite a few of you are saying he deserved it. But the fact that the student is a "whiny brat" does not mean that he deserves to have a taser used on him several times just for not standing up right away.

I don't care for them. They don't attend this school, they don't have second thoughts of this specific police force every time they walk by. They talk like badasses to sound like badasses, and they sound like badasses, nothing more.

At 11/17/06 06:21 PM, The-answer-AI wrote: The ignorance of ladygrace, Fyndir,veryproudofya and the rest of you fucking morons is hilarious.

Ignorance?

Sorry, what?

Where did I say that all police are pure and good as angels? 0_o

Oh shit, that's right, I didn't.

But hell, inconvenient facts like that would ruin your "I'm more ghetto than you therefore my opinion is more right because this involved cops" speech. =/

Yes, there are corrupt cops.

Yes, there are cases of police brutality.

No, this is not one of them.

At 11/17/06 08:43 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: And if it was found he DOESN'T have a medical condition? Would that change your opinion of this scenario, just a little bit?

If he didn't have a medical condition, then it would change my opinion of the situation. But it wouldn't change the situation itself. So, maybe the student didn't have a medical condition. Does that mean that the police should have just assumed that he was lying? They had no idea about his health. This is about how the police officers acted to the situation, not whether the student could have died.

Did you hear that on the tape? I didn't, none of the 6 or 7 times I've listened. The perp was obviously trying to start a riot or other social upheaval. Why else would he continue to make the scene instead of cooperating with the officers and making his case afterwards? He forced their hand, albeit a heavy one.

Most of the dialogue was inaudible.

However, I did hear the student shouting "I will leave!" several times.

Then they hit him with the taser again because he wouldn't stand up. If he really didn't want to cooperate, and was really refusing to stand up, then why did he say he would leave? The only logical explanation is that he really couldn't stand up.

At 11/17/06 08:46 PM, Fyndir wrote:

Yes, there are cases of police brutality.

No, this is not one of them.

Bad situation management. At least. He also made threats to protestors after the arrest.

I just browsed through the last pages.

Just as many dumbfucks here as when I left it.

I'm going to leave you guys to argue amongst yourselves without actually having to deal with this personally.

At 11/17/06 08:41 PM, subpar wrote: It's impossible to look at the whole situation objectively if we don't have a video of the whole thing.

At 11/17/06 08:45 PM, HeinousDude wrote: Yes you do. I just told you. He was convinced to leave and by the time he was acting on leaving, the police got there.

Well, I meant to say that we don't have an actual video of the beginning of the incident. I guess I'm in no place to argue with you, since you go to the school and I don't, but I was just saying that the witnesses could have been exaggerating about what happened before the video. Maybe the student did give the police a hard time before they took out the taser. Maybe not.

Either way, I do agree with you that they used unnecessary force. Whether or not the student was mouthing off, he was clearly not dangerous, and the police officers were being douchebags.

At 11/17/06 08:51 PM, HeinousDude wrote: Bad situation management. At least. He also made threats to protestors after the arrest.

If you read my previous posts I covered this, the guy in the white shirt was displaying very aggressive body language towards the officers and was bothering (and again with the aggressive body language) one officer who was already talking to another person, the second officer threatened him because of this combination.

To break it down:

1: White Shirt guy acts aggressively and bothers an officer WHILE the officer is talking to someone else, this includes what MIGHT be poking the officer in the chest, but it's a bit unclear.

2: White Shirt guy seems to back off slightly, then turns to walk back.

3: Second officer approaches and asks White Shirt Guy to back off.

4: White Shirt Guy refuses and again displays rather aggressive body language.

5: White Shirt Guy is told that if he does not back off he will be tazered.

6: White Shirt Guy backs off.

As far as I could hear the guy was NOT asking about badge numbers, but there's a lot of hubbub and the audio is bad quality, however it DID sound like the guy in the white shirt made some sort of threat about tracking people down. Again, I'm not entirely sure what was being said because of low quality and background noise.

Now.

Since I was NOT there first hand I cannot definitively say what happened and what did not happen, therefore what I have posted is my interpretation of events from what I can see in the video and what I read in the post.

I thought that would have gone without saying before, but in hindsight it deserves being pointed out for clarity.

If a guy refuses to be escorted out (which requires the police "taking you out") then they have the right to restrain him and cuff him. They DO NOT have the right to taze him numerous times. Once, maybe if it is really getting out of hand. Unfortunately, the police LET it get out of hand. Simply apply the cuffs and walk him out. No need to taze a guy SEVERAL times for not getting up... If you get tazed... you'll have a hard time getting up...

At 11/17/06 08:30 PM, HeinousDude wrote:

Heh - You should find out who he is Heinous, dress up like a cop and follow him to class, then JUMP OUT OF THE BUSHES AND SAY "YOU GONNA GET TAZED" Then do the ho-down and run off.

I hope this psycho is put away for a long time, and these officers are given a medal of honor. Okay, maybe the latter is a bit farfetched, but a man can dream, can't he?

In my honest opinion, the students should have kicked the cops' ass and performed a citizens arrest for the felonies the cops committed.

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Ommmm..I dont get it

Funny how alot of you dont really see this as an abuse of power, or just dont really care this happened. alot even agree with the police. Wether or not the boy was resisting or not, what you see happening here is fuckin retarted, and sooo fucking americanish. if some cop here(who dont even got tasers) would do this here in the netherlands or in any other west european country (maybe not spain) they would really be punished for this behaviour. I just dont understand how you people agree with these things. your nation is not free! comon man! cant you see whats happening here total police power is NOT a good thing even if he was resisting.
The fact that nobody helped him also shows the facistic state your nation is in, fuck you I can assure you (I swear) that if this would happen at my university people would begin throwing shit at those cops because of the injustice, not because of a lack of respect.
a few weeks ago a slighty similar thing happened here, some university security guards where acting to dominant (they where just hired 1 week before because of extra students) they where teased and "procedured" away within 1 week!

really your reactions amaze me, but also makes me feel very sorry for you, for I would not want to live in a nation like yours

I saw the video on www.break.com

This is actually 100% true.

Wow. This world really has gone to hell. From what I understand, this is police brutality.

I'm not surprised by this newsflash: cop has history of abuse of power and violence

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/19/1073 4/370