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"He had his backpack on his shoulder and he was walking out when the cops approached him. It was unnecessary."

quote from article. Eye witness.

At 11/17/06 03:52 AM, PimpDevil wrote: "He had his backpack on his shoulder and he was walking out when the cops approached him. It was unnecessary."

quote from article. Eye witness.

For those of you who missed the article at the bottom of the page:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15731040/

At 11/17/06 03:52 AM, PimpDevil wrote: "He had his backpack on his shoulder and he was walking out when the cops approached him. It was unnecessary."

quote from article. Eye witness.

Too bad the cops saying they'll taze you if you dont site back down isn't there.

"If he was able to walk out of here, I think he was OK," the sergeant said.

these cops sound like my abusive dad. go figure!

after police fuck up in a public place, of course they're not gonna fuck up anymore students. these cops are childish and mildly retarded

At 11/17/06 03:46 AM, LadyGrace wrote: Yeah, I read the article and it was a 4 paragraphed completely biased rag. How about we understand the full story. Seeing as how the UCPD had to have actually come down to ask the guy to leave before calling the police.

i think you may be confused as to what the UCPD is, as well. they ARE the police here, the LAPD doesn't even enter our campus.
and i dont know which article it was that you read, but the one i read was compiled entirely from eyewitness reports, and was reported in a non-biased way showing both sides of the story. of course, the police don't have much of a defense. they said that CSO officers found out the student didnt have an ID, and when he didnt leave (because he had every right to be there) they called in the officers. at this point, the man began to leave, but was met at the entrance/exit by the two officers. one grabbed his arm firmly, and this is what caused the man to become irate and yell like he did. the officers then said they tased him because he was not complying with their demands, which doesn't seem to justify the use of force considering he was not resisting, he had simply gone limp. they also said he was encouraging the other people in the library to join him in resisting the police, but they're also wrong there; the bystanders joined in because of what they saw the police doing, not because the guy getting tased was telling them to.

Oh, so you're pulling the race card now? Wow, that's not stereotypical.

what? you're the one who pulled the race card. do the words "Because he's a white college student from UCLA" ring any bells?

Right, because the media always incites punishment for cops.

after the LA riots? i should think so, i mean we've seen the consequences when the media shows police brutality and it goes unpunished. then again, LA is a fucked up place, maybe they haven't learned their lessons.

At 11/17/06 04:04 AM, Fyndir wrote: OOPSY DAISY.

I forgot the add the image to the post.

My bad.

That isn't overly violent at all. Bad shit went down, of course people are going to be upset.

At 11/17/06 04:02 AM, Fyndir wrote: THIS is police brutality. In this video they are kneeling on the guys throat and they then punch him repeatedly in the face.

There always seems to be some sassy latino women.

This one:

WTF why you hittin him

last one:
wtf you just shocked days bad enough yo

Good thing these eyewitness reports are entirely unbiased. Because all college students love cops so, so much.

Anyway, if you become irate when a cop takes hold of your arm to continue leading you out of the building, and you become angry and volatile, of course that going to happen. The kid asked for it all the way.

Actually, hang on. The cops were just giving him shit. They love to just go around and fuck people up in front of a crowded room with a camera rolling.

At 11/17/06 04:02 AM, Fyndir wrote: The police respond to the aggressive nature of some people and the aggressive body language with the reminder that they have the tasers and WILL use them if they feel that they need to.

the guy isnt confronting them and asking for a fight or insulting them, he's simply asking for their badge number. listen to the way he says it; he isn't being threatening. the officers, however, won't give him the badge number, instead threatening him if he doesn't back off. this suggests that they know they fucked up and they don't want to be identified

At 11/17/06 04:14 AM, dicF00D wrote: the guy isnt confronting them and asking for a fight or insulting them, he's simply asking for their badge number. listen to the way he says it; he isn't being threatening. the officers, however, won't give him the badge number, instead threatening him if he doesn't back off. this suggests that they know they fucked up and they don't want to be identified

Exactly. It's police protocal to drop what they're doing and to give out badge numbers in a situation like that.

Hang on a sec, doesn't the arresting officer file a report on the incident?
Surely all needed information could have been gleaned after the fact. That the kids were doing this just to hassle the policeman only shows their disrespect for the law.

And also I like dudes.

At 11/17/06 04:19 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Hang on a sec, doesn't the arresting officer file a report on the incident?

It's for filling a complaint, not to press charges.

At 11/17/06 04:19 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote:

At 11/17/06 04:14 AM, dicF00D wrote:

Exactly. It's police protocal to drop what they're doing and to give out badge numbers in a situation like that.

they already had dropped what they were doing. if they hadn't they probably would've electrocuted the guy to death.

Hang on a sec, doesn't the arresting officer file a report on the incident?
Surely all needed information could have been gleaned after the fact. That the kids were doing this just to hassle the policeman only shows their disrespect for the law.

some people don't enjoy watching a guy getting tased repeatedly while lying helpless on the ground in handcuffs. perhaps this is where the crowd's "disrespect for the law" stemmed from? nah, its probably just the fact that theyre all a bunch of elitist liberal intellectual college students who hate all cops. yea, thats it.

And also I like dudes.

me 2

At 11/17/06 04:26 AM, dicF00D wrote:

At 11/17/06 04:19 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote:

At 11/17/06 04:14 AM, dicF00D wrote:

Exactly. It's police protocal to drop what they're doing and to give out badge numbers in a situation like that.

they already had dropped what they were doing. if they hadn't they probably would've electrocuted the guy to death.

Gross overexaggeration sure is fantasmagoric.

Hang on a sec, doesn't the arresting officer file a report on the incident?
Surely all needed information could have been gleaned after the fact. That the kids were doing this just to hassle the policeman only shows their disrespect for the law.

some people don't enjoy watching a guy getting tased repeatedly while lying helpless on the ground in handcuffs. perhaps this is where the crowd's "disrespect for the law" stemmed from? nah, its probably just the fact that theyre all a bunch of elitist liberal intellectual college students who hate all cops. yea, thats it.

Surely he wasn't being volatile at all. No, he was kind and courteous to the cops, before the wildly attacked him. and when the asked him to get up, why, he was happy to comply. Yeah, they didn't even tell him to get up, it was just nonstop tasing, round the clock.

And also I like dudes.

me 2

American police are the worst police in the world.

Power hungry faggots.

At 11/17/06 04:23 AM, Fyndir wrote:

At 11/17/06 04:14 AM, dicF00D wrote: the guy isnt confronting them and asking for a fight or insulting them, he's simply asking for their badge number. listen to the way he says it; he isn't being threatening. the officers, however, won't give him the badge number, instead threatening him if he doesn't back off. this suggests that they know they fucked up and they don't want to be identified

The first policeman he hassles is already talking to someone. =/

The second intervenes to tell the guy to back off.

You're retarded.

an absolutely stunning defense of your argument. one officer was already talking to someone, and the other walked over to them. this completely disproves my point about the guy asking "what is your badge number" in a complete non-threatening way. yep, i'm retarded!

Look at the video I posted for you, go get all up in arms about that why don't you?

you think i haven't seen that shit a hundred times already? i'll admit, that video makes the cops look a lot worse then they do in this. but i don't live in hollywood, i live at UCLA. i care more about this issue because i go to school here, and i was in that same library hours before this whole thing happened. there's enough outrage about that other video already, im more concerned with things that hit closer to home.

At 11/17/06 04:07 AM, dicF00D wrote: what? you're the one who pulled the race card. do the words "Because he's a white college student from UCLA" ring any bells?

Because treatment of the same kind towards a minority is gone unnoticed because of the fact that it's standard practice when a perpetrator has become uncooperative and belligerent. Because the kid is white (or appears to be so), being tazered seems to be a big shock. You mention he's muslim as if they knew before hand and that's why they were hassling him like the whole police squad has this big conspiracy to route out all muslims on the UCLA campus. Do I like cops? Not at all, but this situation is not mishandled. The police know what they have to deal with when they arrest people on campus.

after the LA riots? i should think so, i mean we've seen the consequences when the media shows police brutality and it goes unpunished. then again, LA is a fucked up place, maybe they haven't learned their lessons.

Do you know what happened to the cops after the Rodney King beating? Suspension WITH pay. You think these cops are worried about getting a vacation with pay?

At 11/17/06 04:30 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Surely he wasn't being volatile at all. No, he was kind and courteous to the cops, before the wildly attacked him.

Oh, I see, disresepect a cop and they'll load you with 500,000 volts.

and when the asked him to get up, why, he was happy to comply. Yeah, they didn't even tell him to get up, it was just nonstop tasing, round the clock.

This person had a little trouble compiling after being tased, guess they should tase her again since she isn't getting up

At 11/17/06 04:30 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote:

At 11/17/06 04:26 AM, dicF00D wrote: they already had dropped what they were doing. if they hadn't they probably would've electrocuted the guy to death.

Gross overexaggeration sure is fantasmagoric.

yeh

Surely he wasn't being volatile at all. No, he was kind and courteous to the cops, before the wildly attacked him. and when the asked him to get up, why, he was happy to comply. Yeah, they didn't even tell him to get up, it was just nonstop tasing, round the clock.

yeah, the guy was being verbally belligerent. he may be partially to blame, but since he was released from custody i think even the police realized they had fucked up.
the cops didn't have to escalate things from a verbal level to a physical level as they did, and i think the crowd felt the same way. this is why they became angry. they didn't get out of control, though, and they didn't interfere with the officers duties.
and as i said before, tasers can paralyze you for 5-15 minutes. its possible the guy went limp not because he was resisting but because he actually couldn't move. the cops probably forgot this possibility. they also could have just as easily cuffed and arrested the man lying on the ground rather then forcing him to stand up after such enormous volts of electricity.

At 11/17/06 04:40 AM, Fyndir wrote: The guy in the white shirt was hassling one cop, who was talking to someone else already.

The other cop walked over to tell him to back off because of this, the guy started going "Why?" and throwing his arms out (as I pictured) that is aggressive behavior.

Yes, thats a perfectly good reason to shock someone to the point that have to fall to the ground.

At 11/17/06 03:23 AM, Cereal wrote: Isn't tazing the last resort, when officers can't restrain a person. They kept telling him to stand up, so they tazed him up, bullshit.

There was a video of a grandma being tazed not that long ago, tell me the officer couldn't over power her.

lol i seriously dotn think tazing is the last resort, probally somewhere along the lines of BOOM YOUR DEAD haha but ya there is alot of stalin grad shit going on recently after the terrorist scares,there was an account of a guy being tazered because he found a phone tap in his room when he brought it up to the police they tazered him and said he was interfering in a government investigation and was harboring a fugitive(his room mate was a suspected drug dealer and was charged on 3 accounts of suspected terrorism but the phone didnt belong to the supect but to the person therefor its illegal to tap with out his permission or an on going investigation on him) BUT tazers can not be qualified as brutality as long as the officers warn him to leave as for the grand ma any physical force is brutality.

ALSO all police must follow a certain protocol, In cases of belligerent peoples they must first attempt to escort the suspect BY FORCE if neccasery, Secondly any suspect on the ground must first be MADE SURE there incapacitated as of the moment in case he might lash out and injure or kill an officer or onlooker. Once supsect is detained the cops ARE ALLOWED to refuse badge information until the suspect is deemed safe. But the threatening to tazer a person asking them for the badge number IS illegal and can be contrived as doing actuall physical damage and excess force.

At 11/17/06 04:33 AM, LadyGrace wrote: Because treatment of the same kind towards a minority is gone unnoticed because of the fact that it's standard practice when a perpetrator has become uncooperative and belligerent. Because the kid is white (or appears to be so), being tazered seems to be a big shock. You mention he's muslim as if they knew before hand and that's why they were hassling him like the whole police squad has this big conspiracy to route out all muslims on the UCLA campus. Do I like cops? Not at all, but this situation is not mishandled. The police know what they have to deal with when they arrest people on campus.

all i was saying was i found your generalization about the student who was tasered and all students at UCLA to be completely false. i dont believe race factored into the officer's actions at all, nor does it factor into my opinion on the situation.

Do you know what happened to the cops after the Rodney King beating? Suspension WITH pay. You think these cops are worried about getting a vacation with pay?

yeah, that was my point. the lack of punishment for those cops is what sparked the LA riots. people should learn their fucking lesson. the jobs of several police officers is worth a hell of a lot less then the damage caused by those riots. in this case i don't think these tasings are going to cause UCLA students to go and start looting Bel Air, but the police sure could quell a lot of negativity by making an example of those two and just straight up firing them.

At 11/17/06 04:40 AM, Fyndir wrote: The guy in the white shirt was hassling one cop, who was talking to someone else already.

The other cop walked over to tell him to back off because of this, the guy started going "Why?" and throwing his arms out (as I pictured) that is aggressive behavior.

His tone of voice is irrelevant, body language is often far more telling of aggressive intention than voice.

You're wrong, deal with it.

ohhh ok! i see what you're saying now. because the guy threw his arms out ever-so-slightly, that means he should've been tased until he went limp, too, right? this is fucking hilarious. now we're even going beyond words! subtle body language can justify the use of immediate excessive force in your universe! and not just obvious threatening body language like reaching into your pocket for a weapon. if you shrug in front of a cop, ZAP!
i completely agree with you man. im trying to figure out how to deal with how wrong i am as we speak.

At 11/17/06 05:05 AM, dicF00D wrote: ohhh ok! i see what you're saying now. because the guy threw his arms out ever-so-slightly, that means he should've been tased until he went limp, too, right?

This guy is being very good, yes?

This wont go far, not even the time where that dude got his face smashed on the hood of the copcar or the time the ex army dude was shot. Neither of those two police men were sacced, I think they had a suspension or somethign, thats all.

At 11/17/06 03:26 AM, Serphyas wrote:
No, SHOOTING someone is a last resort, that's why tazers are used; they're less-lethal weapons, you know. Just be glad this didn't occur 20 years ago, when the tazer would have been substituted for a nice billy-club to the back of the head.

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The video shows him by the exit. Seems to suggest that he was leaving. Not having your ID is not against the law (1940s Germany "Papers! Show your PAPERS!") and they didn't try to say he was trespassing (since he was only charged with obstruction, which is a bullshit offense that they can slap on anyone for any reason with almost no chance of losing because they bullshit up a reason and the court always believes cops).

Pretty dumb considering college students are the most active ACLU members.
Also, here is your Patriot Act. Cops get money to buy new tazers, but they treat them like their new toys, forgetting their favorite methods that effectively work, like escorting someone off the premises, using holds, blows, and irritant spray.

TAZERS CAN KILL! THEY ARE NOT TOYS, THEY ARE NOT A NEXT RESORT! AND NOT HAVING AN ID IS NOT A CRIME!

well why the hell did he have to make a big deal about them touching him! the guy sounded like a idiot you don't fight the fucking police just do as they ask.If what they ask of you is illegal THEN start making a big deal.

At 11/17/06 06:24 AM, Fyndir wrote: You mean like how they tried to escort the guy off the premises when he exploded and started screaming and yelling at them?

I know, damn hyper active students, he deserved to almost die of a heart attack!

At 11/17/06 06:38 AM, Saki2me wrote: well why the hell did he have to make a big deal about them touching him! the guy sounded like a idiot you don't fight the fucking police just do as they ask.If what they ask of you is illegal THEN start making a big deal.

Actually i knew a guy just like that, get to close to him and hed blow up, turns out he was abused and raped as child so dont judge what people do unless you know EXACTLY whats going on.

At 11/17/06 06:24 AM, Fyndir wrote:

At 11/17/06 06:18 AM, thelordofcheese wrote: forgetting their favorite methods that effectively work, like escorting someone off the premises, using holds, blows, and irritant spray.

You mean like how they tried to escort the guy off the premises when he exploded and started screaming and yelling at them?

They had two officers. That's enough to restrain and cuff him. If they were really that out of shape that 2 of them couldn't cuff the non-white Muslim, then they could spray him. That spray isn't even that dangerous to people with asthma. Yet any number of things - such as asthma, heart conditions (especially pace-makers), chemical imbalances, illness, even pregnancy and others - can lead to severe health damage, even death. They got a new toy and wanted to play. Forget tried-and-true protocol.
Voice-->Hands->Baton-->Spray->Tazer or other "non-lethal" (in the best case scenario) weapons-->Gun