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At 11/20/06 08:09 PM, troubles1 wrote: there are so many reasons why we should legalise it, and people will always come up with reasons not to. personally I would love to see it legal I think it would give people a option against drinking witch has more harmful affects .

There's already an option other than drinking. It's called "not drinking"

At 11/20/06 08:03 PM, Elfer wrote:

Sniffing glue and other organic solvents can lead to memory loss.

What I was implying was that you don't have the brain capacity to understand simple concepts as you've smoked too much. Not that you were doing it while posting.

Hurray!

Which would explain why I'm in engineering, I guess.

At 11/20/06 10:06 PM, Elfer wrote: Which would explain why I'm in engineering, I guess.

Yeah, honestly, who in their right mind would get into such a boring profession as this? Heh, kidding.

But the exception is never a justifiable description of the majority, so the point is moot.

At 11/20/06 08:18 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 11/20/06 08:09 PM, troubles1 wrote: there are so many reasons why we should legalise it, and people will always come up with reasons not to. personally I would love to see it legal I think it would give people a option against drinking witch has more harmful affects .

There's already an option other than drinking. It's called "not drinking"

LOL yea I know that, but the reality is people like to unwind once in a while after a long day at work or celebrate or simply just cut loose. BASICALY, GET SOME SORT OF HEAD CHANGE. And herb is a good substitute, for drinking , plus many don't drink, ,or would rather not. it would put another option on the table so to speak.
I really don't care to much weather it is or is not legalised it will not effect me much that I know anyway.

I think we can all agree to just ignore the knucklehead who passes people off because they smoke weed. Something tells me someone in his life "spiraled out of control" and that's why he's so hostile. You don't fuck up because of weed, you're just a fuck up, plain and simple. Compared with other drugs that are safley taken with a little bit of research and responsibility, weed is so impossibly difficult to "fuck you're life up" with, that surely it must've been you're plan to do so all along.

I for one am against the legalization of pot, simply because of a couple things. The government doesn't need anything else to tax, and I really would not look forward to paying for taxed government shwag. Sure it might reduce crime on the street level, but like any other industry, exploitation and other similar corporate scandals will be bountiful. Anyways, if you are so disconnected that you'd actually need to have it legalized so you can conveniently go pick it up at the local Sev', that's just sad.

Hemp on the other hand, I would be fine with. Like said earlier in this thread it's a better alternative to many fabrics currently in use.

At 11/20/06 07:17 PM, Elfer wrote: Ok, let me try to dumb my own statement down from what I've been saying, to the level of a drooling, brain-dead simpleton, such as, oh, I don't know, a tile setter.

why bother, all it comes down to is another personal jab that has little or nothing to do with the topic discussed.

At 11/20/06 10:43 PM, Draconias wrote:

At 11/20/06 10:06 PM, Elfer wrote: Which would explain why I'm in engineering, I guess.

Yeah, honestly, who in their right mind would get into such a boring profession as this? Heh, kidding.

But the exception is never a justifiable description of the majority, so the point is moot.

Well, it was in response to a personal insult over my intellect, so it wasn't really a moot point.

I wasn't trying to prove anything about the nature of all smokers, in fact, I was trying to show that you can't fit all smokers into a single mold.

Yeah Elfer, f$#k his job , i would have just gone after his SOUL!

At 11/20/06 08:52 PM, Techware wrote: What I was implying was that you don't have the brain capacity to understand simple concepts as you've smoked too much.

LED ZEPPELIN BUMPER STICKERS

"We've known for years that there was a direct correlation between the presence of a Led Zeppelin bumper sticker and the likelihood of that vehicle containing a controlled substance like marijuana," said DeKalb County Sheriff Ronald Bauer.

Anyone wanna clue Techweed in on; the Matrix Trilogy , Big Money Hustlas, Chronicles of Riddick, Linkin Park, ACDC.

At 11/20/06 08:52 PM, Techware wrote:

At 11/20/06 08:03 PM, Elfer wrote:

Sniffing glue and other organic solvents can lead to memory loss.

What I was implying was that you don't have the brain capacity to understand simple concepts as you've smoked too much. Not that you were doing it while posting.

Hurray!

You really have never met anyone who actually smoked have you?

* Sigh *

Cannabis Legalization........Who needs em?

At 11/21/06 01:02 AM, Tancrisism wrote: You really have never met anyone who actually smoked have you?

I'm sure he has, and just decided that they didn't smoke, because they didn't fit the stereotype of smokers that only exists in his own demented head.

At 11/17/06 11:21 PM, Evans-Adams wrote: actually no offense but I have seen qute a few studys showing the effects of pot on the brain and it does cause mild damage. Also it is the a gateway drug, yes I know that sounds stupid but any one I know who smokes pot on a regular basis also does more serious stuff like speed

All studies done showing permanent brain damage were done with an extreme bias and very questionable scientific practices. Many have been heavily criticized by the medical community for practices such as not allowing lab rats access to AIR while being exposed to smoke.

However, a study done at Harvard medical center (I don't know about you, but I trust Harvard medical research department) showed no difference between the brains of nonsmokers and heavy smokers.

Speed is ritalin... you sure that's not perscribed?

At 11/19/06 12:28 AM, Techware wrote:

At 11/19/06 12:02 AM, Elfer wrote:

has already done it.

Sure, but there's this little problem. It's called... the future (plays dramatic "aw" in background). The people who will, in the future ('awww') cause themselves turmoil and to those around him/her as well.

Techware, you are a fucking idiot and I hope you never pass on your genes. Read the links in the first post.

If you believe that people who are dying of AIDS should be forced to starve of wasting syndrome just because weed gets you high, you are an idiot.

If you believe that a person suffering from cancer should be forced to spend $300 on a single pill just to relieve chemotherapy side effects while they could just use medical cannabis, you are a dumbass.

You also fail to present any sort of evidence. I'm not going to carry on like this, but you seriously need to read SOMETHING about the issue.

At 11/19/06 01:22 AM, Archon-John wrote: Marijuana does have lasting health effects.

The actual drug in marijuana is THC, which is a milder derivative of acid. (LSD)

That's simply not true. LSD is a man made synthetic substance... it doesn't occur in nature. THC does. The chemical compounds are completely different... simple chemistry will tell you that. A Derivative of acid?! You can't get THC from LSD, no matter what.

Long term use will lessen heat and blood circulation of your brain, causing it to gradually shut down.

Harvard Medical studies say that's bullshit. That simply doesn't happen.

Marijuana has been known to have forms of flashbacks, much in the same way of acid. This is very rare, but happens.

Interesting... why has it never been documented?

The fact is, it isn't a harmless drug. One of the newer Family Guy episodes (yeah, I was kinda shocked too) had Chris go on a minute long speech about some of the harmful effects. There's a lot.

Because family guy is an excellent source of knowledge. Anyway, he didn't talk about harmful effects. He talked about a distorted sense of judgement, which is acceptable in alcohol.

And the producers of family guy put that in as a joke. They're all stoners.

And about leagalizing hemp... who the hell needs hemp anyway? There is no reason to use hemp for anything because we have other cheaper products to do everything that hemp does, but better.

That sounds like a lie from the 1930's. Read the damn link. Hemp is cheaper and more effective than anything else.

And medicinal use... right. When was the last time a doctor prescribed you to SMOKE SOMETHING? What the hell? Take some pain killers or something, they work better anyways!

No shit... It's ILLEGAL. But where it IS legal, it is done. You obviously don't know about anything.

You can make a similar argument against Surgery... it doesn't present any facts, just a catchy phrase. EH HEM

"and medical use... right. When was the last time a doctor perscribed CUTTING YOU OPEN? WHAT THE HELL! Take some painkillers or something, they work better anyway.

Over 50% of Doctors believe that the legalization of medical cannabis would be beneficial to medical practice. Call me crazy, but I believe that doctors know about medicine a LITTLE bit better than you do.

All of your arguments have done nothing but make my soul die a little more.

Please take the 12" dildo out of your butt.

At 11/20/06 07:07 AM, Draconias wrote:

At 11/19/06 06:57 PM, Elfer wrote: Because cannabis is far from a useless plant.

In fact, up until the early 20th century, it was the world's biggest cash crop.

In fact, up until recently, Opium was one of the world's biggest cash crops, and was so popular in China that Europeans conquered that country through control of the supply.

But that doesn't make it right, or justify continued use or further action.

Ever heard of MORPHINE?

If we eliminated every poppy plant in the world, we would basically have no more painkillers.

Cool sidenote that really doesnt have much to do with the smoking of cannibus: Hemp paper is made from Cannibus. The US Constitution was made from hemp paper. Thats why it has lasted 200 years. Wood paper would have deteriorated by now.

At 11/20/06 06:30 AM, Makaio wrote:

At 11/20/06 01:03 AM, fasdit wrote:
My point is that it simply opens up pathways to other drugs and more trouble.

Have you thought about why? is it a chemical reaction that makes your body crave crack and heroin?

The only way that it makes any sense is if you consider the criminal element of it all. Since pot is illegal people are forced to go into back alleys and shifty neighborhoods to retrieve it, "You have any weed?, no but try this.".

Up until now i haven't said that i smoke it, but the fact is i do, and pretty much everyone i know does, and out of the 8 people i can think of right off the top of my head, the only other drug they do is alcohol and its been like that for the past several years. If its a gateway drug, it sure as hell takes awhile to start working.

Weed can certainly act as a gateway drug
I live in a rich all white neighborhood and most of the people get their weed from other rich white kids in the same vicinity. There was this one guy named Hudson that was the main supplier of weed, going down the line some of his stuff probably originated from shifty neighborhoods, but none of my fellow students were buying from "thugs", most of it came from Hudson.

Then you have the Adderol kids, the Adderol generally originates from people in my school who have prescriptions for it. With a prescription it is much easier for them to abuse it and sell it to other people in my highschool.

The above two points should illustrate that no "thugs", "str8 OG's", or "shifty neighborhoods" are cause of drug abuse in my highschool. Most of the people I know started with weed and then they were all like: "OMG dude we get soo fuckked up! What else can we get high on dude!!!" People generally figure that if they already do weed on an active basis then a few other drugs can't hurt and will make it more exciting.

At 11/20/06 08:09 PM, troubles1 wrote: the problem is with people like PACKOW, nice picture buddy, the stereotypical stoner that just gets high and eats instead of doing anything productive. That would be my concern, I am able to handle my self and put things in order, and accomplish goals. whereas I am afraid if we did legalise it then our youth and others would simply be UN- goal oriented, and just get high instead of bettering there lives and in-turn our country. a domino effect of sorts. if the worse happened it would not be a good image for America to be seen as a country of unmotivated pot heads.

Don't judge me by my looks. I happen to have very good grades in Advanced Placement classes and have been engaged in community service projects for years. I've never smoked when I had something of importance to do (studying, school) and limit my consumption of the herb to times when it will not interfere with important aspects of life.

I'm annoyed by unmotivated waste-of-life stoners as much as you are... I'm just not one of them. I thought my picture was funny, that's all.

I find that most anti-legalization people here have mentioned something along the lines of it being a bad idea, marijuana not being good for you, etc.

Just one question.

Since when is it the government's job to protect me from myself?

At 11/22/06 02:10 AM, MindControlFun wrote: A bunch of stuff. Since when ....

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I don't understand how people can justify the criminalization of cannabis. I've read alot on the subject, and any anti-legalization argument i've ever heard is disgustingly flawed and usually bullshit.

Come to Canada! You'll have a better chance of smoking pot legally. I'm not sure if this is true but check this site. http://cannabisnews.com/news/16/thread16326.s html

I'm pretty sure it's legal for adults, up to 30 grams, a simple possession.

The only reason weed acts as a "gateway drug" is because it gives you connections to people who will know where to find other shit.

Make it legal, and the "gateway drug" will be another soft drug that people would generally consider somewhat more serious than marijuana, such as shrooms.

At 11/22/06 08:35 PM, Elfer wrote: The only reason weed acts as a "gateway drug" is because it gives you connections to people who will know where to find other shit.

Make it legal, and the "gateway drug" will be another soft drug that people would generally consider somewhat more serious than marijuana, such as shrooms.

It's possible that it could expand your curiosity to other things, but it's not definite. And pot's not the only thing that has the possibility to do that.

Exactly, my point is that marijuana itself is not the gateway, it's that drugs exist in a progressive continuum, and people are more likely to step up from marijuana, rather than going straight for the heroin.

Using the same arguments people use to call marijuana a gateway drug, I could probably call alcohol a gateway drug far more successfully.

At 11/22/06 02:10 AM, MindControlFun wrote: Since when is it the government's job to protect me from myself?

Since the Progressive era of the early 1900s it has become a major job of the government. However, several hundred years ago when the first government-funded mental institutions were created is when it became the government's job to protect you from yourself.

At 11/22/06 09:02 PM, Elfer wrote: Using the same arguments people use to call marijuana a gateway drug, I could probably call alcohol a gateway drug far more successfully.

Except the flaw with that is that alcohol has a very powerful amplification effect on most other drugs you attempt to use and tends to destabilize your body dangerously or lethally if you attempt to mix alcohol and a "heavy" drug at the same time. Also, alcohol has a long-institutionalized set of social barriers to prevent crossover into other substances (which are at least somewhat effective).

I personally don't care if people want to smoke weed, what worries me is people driving while high. The last thing I need is some certified dumbass crashing into me because he's high as a kite.

I know that drugs affect people differently and some people claim to be able to drive just as good while high. But I don't buy this bullshit that weed is not going to affect everyone's driving ability.

At 11/23/06 01:08 AM, fasdit wrote: I personally don't care if people want to smoke weed, what worries me is people driving while high. The last thing I need is some certified dumbass crashing into me because he's high as a kite.

I know that drugs affect people differently and some people claim to be able to drive just as good while high. But I don't buy this bullshit that weed is not going to affect everyone's driving ability.

Chances are, even if marijuana was legal, it would be illegal to drive high, much like it's illegal now to drive drunk.

Has anyone seen the new |a|n|t|i|d|r|u|g| commercials? The one where he's talking about how he smoked pot and all he did was sit on a couch, and it was very safe.

The battle is already lost if they've reduced their campaign to saying, essentially, "oh well... we know it's not really bad for you, but it would still be nice if you didnt."

Personally, I think it's more of a matter of time.