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cannabis can be used as a social networking tool however it is more addictive than a couple of beers and also has a higher impact on the body than alcool so it can be used as a "social networking tool" but infact you are not in your natural state of mind and so it is not the normal you who is being social. Besides alcool is also consumed for the taste (cocktails...) but I really don't see what's nice in smoke and as for the cookies their just as good without pot in them.

At 11/19/06 10:52 AM, Techware wrote: And you're just... a failure at life.

really? hes a failure at life but when someon prooves you wrong you find some inane and irrelevant argument or point out a miniscule typo and continue pretending you were right all along.

At 11/19/06 01:00 PM, Zododei wrote: cannabis can be used as a social networking tool however it is more addictive than a couple of beers and also has a higher impact on the body than alcool so it can be used as a "social networking tool" but infact you are not in your natural state of mind and so it is not the normal you who is being social. Besides alcool is also consumed for the taste (cocktails...) but I really don't see what's nice in smoke and as for the cookies their just as good without pot in them.

It isn't more addictive than a couple of beers in the least bit. People can smoke one joint a year just as easily (if they aren't an alcoholic) as drinking a few beers. The only thing is is that alcohol is physically addictive, your body will become reliant on it, whereas marijuana is somewhat mentally addictive, where if you constantly do it you'll think about doing it more often. It's much easier to quit, you don't go through any withdrawals or anything as your body is not physically addicted. Just say, alright, no pot for a month, and SHABAM! no pot for a month.

Also, after drinking alcohol you are not in your normal state of mind, so I'm not sure what that had to do with your argument. And I don't think the fact that pot isn't consumed for the taste (although some do smoke it for the sake of smoking) should make it illegal. If you don't see what is nice in it, you obviously haven't done it. I've got no problem with that, but try to have a little perspective.

At 11/19/06 10:46 AM, Elfer wrote:

At 11/19/06 10:06 AM, Makaio wrote: uhhhh numbfucks?
Hemp is legal and is widely grown and farmed in Canada and the US as well as Europe.

Actually you can't freely grow hemp in the US, because it's too closely related to marijuana.

Go ahead, look it up.

hmmm well then that's weird......
Its has been recognized as a commercial crop by the UN, NAFTA, and GATT, and is legal to grow in Canada and Europe but the Americans are scared of the shape i guess??

Hemp contains less than 1% THC and contains a high percentage of CBD which has been shown to block the effects of THC, so even if it was made into hash oil i still don't believe that smoking even ridiculous amounts of it would get you stoned.

It being illegal in America is just another example of how illogical, and plain and simply, retarded, American politicians and the bulk of the American pubic is.

That's funny, because I used to intern at a place where those accused of drug or alcohol related crimes were sent to in order to then be referred to a rehab center, and there were quite a few people who said they went through weed-related withdrawals.

At 11/19/06 02:32 PM, qygibo wrote: That's funny, because I used to intern at a place where those accused of drug or alcohol related crimes were sent to in order to then be referred to a rehab center, and there were quite a few people who said they went through weed-related withdrawals.

Interesting. I was talking from experience when I said that, but it could be different for different people, much like alcoholism is.

At 11/19/06 02:31 PM, Makaio wrote:

It being illegal in America is just another example of how illogical, and plain and simply, retarded, American politicians and the bulk of the American pubic is.

Awww, another little pothead crying for attention.

How cute.

I'm against cannabis legalization because cannabis is unhealthy and doesn't make the government earn money. It would be crappy and unuseful to legalize cannabis. Besides, people who need drugs to be happy is low one.

At 11/19/06 03:48 PM, Techware wrote:

At 11/19/06 02:31 PM, Makaio wrote:

It being illegal in America is just another example of how illogical, and plain and simply, retarded, American politicians and the bulk of the American pubic is.

Awww, another little pothead crying for attention.

How cute.

Y'know Techware, it's obvious you've been desperate to use that putdown on someone ..anyone! And it's a shame you couldn't show even a little more patience, kuz youonly managed to make yourself look a total idiot.

Makaio has ONLY deplored America's hypocricy over Hemp; "Hemp contains less than 1% THC" In neither of Makaio 2 posts (in this thread at least) does he suggest that he smokes or wishes to do so. In fact, you've purposely set out to misquote him! ..either that or you don't have the "attention span" to string even 2 sentences together.

The result of which you actually vindicated his stance; "another example of how illogical, and plain and simply, retarded ... (the bulk of) the American pubic is."

At 11/19/06 04:35 PM, I7REI7I7 wrote: kuz youonly managed to make yourself look a total idiot.

OMGZ! techware! he forgot a space between you and only! lol, noob! and he can't spell kuz!
lolololololololololol!!!!!111

At 11/19/06 04:35 PM, I7REI7I7 wrote:

Y'know Techware, it's obvious you've been desperate to use that putdown on someone ..anyone! And it's a shame you couldn't show even a little more patience, kuz youonly managed to make yourself look a total idiot.

Altho I don't find spelling to have anything to do with politics, but it is funny when insulting someone and not using the proper grammar. Just as grammar has nothing to do with the point of a post, neither should insults.

Anyway, why should I have patience with 'idiots'? People who are that stupid deserve to refered to with putdowns.

At 11/19/06 05:20 PM, Techware wrote: Anyway, why should I have patience with 'idiots'? People who are that stupid deserve to refered to with putdowns.

How does discussing the validity of hemp production by critizising American policy (or the public) make him an idiot?

Topic: There's currently hemp trials in NZ, regulated production in Australia (particularly Tasmania) and apparently considerable production in China.

At 11/19/06 05:20 PM, Techware wrote: Anyway, why should I have patience with 'idiots'? People who are that stupid deserve to refered to with putdowns.

Techware, everyone is always patient with you, despite you acting like an idiot in many of your posts. It's called debating. Whenever the issue of drugs comes up, it seems like instead of offering reasoned discourse, you simply insult everyone who is in favour of legalization or decriminalization.

You always make the same insults as well, claiming that people have no chance in life because they smoke pot, and then you make some mention of "duhhhhhh"

In reality, many successful people use or have used drugs, and many people who use drugs are on their way to being successful.

Your problem is that you have shut your mind to the issue, and refuse to consider or even understand other views on the subject. In fact, you seem to refuse to understand the issue itself, let alone multiple sides to the argument.

I think it would be best for everyone if, during drug debates at least, you stepped aside, and allowed someone more competent, such as Draconias, make your case for you.

Don't we, as the nations up and coming, have anythnig better to do with our time than argue a worthless little leaf? Someone please tell me why the people arguing here aren't bette using their talents?

Because cannabis is far from a useless plant.

In fact, up until the early 20th century, it was the world's biggest cash crop.

At 11/19/06 12:59 AM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:

At 11/19/06 12:36 AM, fasdit wrote: Most of these people started with Mary J and moved on to the other things.

and all the people that use marijuana and other drugs had tryed alcohol and cigarettes prior to trying marijuana. OMG! revelation!

You're wrong. There is no proof that smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol always occurs before the consumption of weed. I know plenty of people that started with weed. Some people I know only do weed and nothing else. Others do all sorts of things.

My point is that it simply opens up pathways to other drugs and more trouble.

At 11/20/06 01:03 AM, fasdit wrote:
My point is that it simply opens up pathways to other drugs and more trouble.

Have you thought about why? is it a chemical reaction that makes your body crave crack and heroin?

The only way that it makes any sense is if you consider the criminal element of it all. Since pot is illegal people are forced to go into back alleys and shifty neighborhoods to retrieve it, "You have any weed?, no but try this.".

Up until now i haven't said that i smoke it, but the fact is i do, and pretty much everyone i know does, and out of the 8 people i can think of right off the top of my head, the only other drug they do is alcohol and its been like that for the past several years. If its a gateway drug, it sure as hell takes awhile to start working.

At 11/19/06 06:57 PM, Elfer wrote: Because cannabis is far from a useless plant.

In fact, up until the early 20th century, it was the world's biggest cash crop.

In fact, up until recently, Opium was one of the world's biggest cash crops, and was so popular in China that Europeans conquered that country through control of the supply.

But that doesn't make it right, or justify continued use or further action.

At 11/19/06 06:19 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Don't we, as the nations up and coming, have anythnig better to do with our time than argue a worthless little leaf? Someone please tell me why the people arguing here aren't bette using their talents?

I view it as one of the the world's most fundamental injustices. All the way from people who continue to profit from it's prohibition, right down to the worlds poorest (non-industrialized) communities who suffer the indirect economic consequences. This prohibition more than any other benefits those who have continued vested interests in keeping it illegal, and for no other explainable purpose - and that's just plain and simply immoral.

At 11/20/06 07:07 AM, Draconias wrote:

At 11/19/06 06:57 PM, Elfer wrote: Because cannabis is far from a useless plant.

In fact, up until the early 20th century, it was the world's biggest cash crop.

In fact, up until recently, Opium was one of the world's biggest cash crops, and was so popular in China that Europeans conquered that country through control of the supply.

But that doesn't make it right, or justify continued use or further action.

I'm talking about hemp, not marijuana. Marijuana was never really a cash crop, because anyone can grow their own personal supply without any special equipment or knowledge.

In fact, I'd be content for now if the US was allowed to grow hemp commercially and people started seeing it as the extremely useful plant that it is. Personally, whether marijuana is legal or not doesn't make a huge difference to me. It should be legal, but it's not a huge burden on anyone except people who are trying to make large amounts of money off it it.

On the other hand, making it legal for the US to prodcue hemp would be extremely beneficial in several ways.

At 11/19/06 06:19 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Don't we, as the nations up and coming, have anythnig better to do with our time than argue a worthless little leaf? Someone please tell me why the people arguing here aren't bette using their talents?

Because billions are spent on enforcing draconian laws every year to arrrest people whose only crime is smoking that leaf. It is also forcing untold crowding in our prisons from the people we are arresting for it. I can find statistics but I believe it is some ridiculous number of arrests the police do a year for simple possession.

Id say its important as shit when we are wasting billions and billions on it. We are overcrowding our prisons and wasting resources that should go towards arresting violent criminals. But hey, yeah, potheads are real scary. "OHHH WATCH OUT FOR THE DREADLOCKS!"

At 11/18/06 01:09 AM, Techware wrote:

At 11/17/06 09:28 PM, Elfer wrote: Why should I be denied the use of marijuana just because there's stupid people who overuse it until they harm themselves?

There's that liberal attitude. Only thinking about yourself.

That has got to be the most hilarious statement I have ever read. That is so fucking ironic it isnt even funny.

At 11/16/06 11:49 PM, I7REI7I7 wrote: .."The War on Drugs is like a tommy gun's random slaughter of innocent kids."

AWESOME. FUCKING AWESOME.

At 11/20/06 06:58 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

That has got to be the most hilarious statement I have ever read. That is so fucking ironic it isnt even funny.

What's funny is people like you coming up with every half witted excuse to make yourself look like a dumbass.

At 11/20/06 07:03 PM, Techware wrote:

At 11/20/06 06:58 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

That has got to be the most hilarious statement I have ever read. That is so fucking ironic it isnt even funny.

What's funny is people like you coming up with every half witted excuse to make yourself look like a dumbass.

Seriously guy, you're not even making any god damn sense anymore. Let Draconias do the arguing for you, seeing as how he's actually trying to make a decent debate out of it instead of just saying U R A POT SO U DUM LOL.

At 11/20/06 07:05 PM, Elfer wrote:

Seriously guy, you're not even making any god damn sense anymore. Let Draconias do the arguing for you, seeing as how he's actually trying to make a decent debate out of it instead of just saying U R A POT SO U DUM LOL.

Sorry, I figured thru all that smoke, I'd dumb it down to your level so you'd be able to understand what I was saying.

At 11/20/06 07:10 PM, Techware wrote: Sorry, I figured thru all that smoke, I'd dumb it down to your level so you'd be able to understand what I was saying.

Ok, let me try to dumb my own statement down from what I've been saying, to the level of a drooling, brain-dead simpleton, such as, oh, I don't know, a tile setter.

You are not making actual points, you are only insulting people.

Insulting people is not a valid point in an argument.

Therefore, you're not actually debating people, so saying you're trying to "dumb it down" for me not only makes no sense whatsoever, it makes you look like more of an idiot.

Can you understand what I'm trying to tell you? I know reading words and interpreting the meaning of them is a mental workout compared to putting in flooring, but if you can, try to understand the difference between "logical debate" and "name-calling"

At 11/20/06 07:17 PM, Elfer wrote:

such as, oh, I don't know, a tile setter.

As opposed to... oh say... a pothead canadian?

Can you understand what I'm trying to tell you?

Oh, I completely understand what you're saying. We've just already gone over the effects it has on people, and all i've heared from your end (you can take that either way) is the 'if people want to hurt themselves... let them'. I'll be back in an hour, i'm going to cut off my fingers.

At 11/20/06 07:21 PM, Techware wrote:

At 11/20/06 07:17 PM, Elfer wrote:

such as, oh, I don't know, a tile setter.

As opposed to... oh say... a pothead canadian?

Well, let's see, the American who doesn't smoke pot is a tile setter, while the pothead Canadian is an engineer, so yeah, that sounds about right.

Can you understand what I'm trying to tell you?

Oh, I completely understand what you're saying. We've just already gone over the effects it has on people, and all i've heared from your end (you can take that either way) is the 'if people want to hurt themselves... let them'. I'll be back in an hour, i'm going to cut off my fingers.

Considering I haven't posted anything on the BBS while I'm high, your poor attempt at a clever insult holds no water. And yes, I'm a libertarian, so if someone wants to hurt themselves, then by all means, let them. Especially in your case, as removing the appendages that you use for typing, while harmful to the yourself, will most likely ultimately be of a greater benefit to society.

At 11/20/06 07:47 PM, Elfer wrote:

Well, let's see, the American who doesn't smoke pot is a tile setter, while the pothead Canadian is an engineer, so yeah, that sounds about right.

Lol, I live in a desert which is growing at a rapid rate, housing it's where it's at.

Considering I haven't posted anything on the BBS while I'm high, your poor attempt at a clever insult holds no water.

Apparently you're on it right now as i've never said you post on the BBS while high.

At 11/20/06 07:52 PM, Techware wrote: Apparently you're on it right now as i've never said you post on the BBS while high.

Mmm, turns out I misread what you typed. This is why seperate ideas are often placed in seperate sentences, as opposed to throwing down a comma and starting off on something completely unrelated. Although now that you bring it up...

At 11/20/06 07:10 PM, Techware wrote: Sorry, I figured thru all that smoke, I'd dumb it down to your level so you'd be able to understand what I was saying.

Sniffing glue and other organic solvents can lead to memory loss.

there are so many reasons why we should legalise it, and people will always come up with reasons not to. personally I would love to see it legal I think it would give people a option against drinking witch has more harmful affects . plus the money our government would make from taxes, there would be a lot of good to come from it. the problem is with people like PACKOW, nice picture buddy, the stereotypical stoner that just gets high and eats instead of doing anything productive. That would be my concern, I am able to handle my self and put things in order, and accomplish goals. whereas I am afraid if we did legalise it then our youth and others would simply be UN- goal oriented, and just get high instead of bettering there lives and in-turn our country. a domino effect of sorts. if the worse happened it would not be a good image for America to be seen as a country of unmotivated pot heads.