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At 11/17/06 09:53 PM, SirXVII wrote: YAY! Lets all rot our lungs and kill our brain cells!

It doesn't actually kill your brain cells at all, that's a common myth. First of all, brain cells take much longer to regrow than other cells, and if something like marijuana could kill brain cells, permanant damage would be quite likely (depending on the amount used). There is no evidence of permanent damage in any study I've seen (although to be perfectly honest every study I've seen has been either hugely biased towards pro-marijuana or hugely biased towards anti-marijuana). To talk from experience though, some of the most intellegent people I know and have known often smoked marijuana in varying amounts. They never showed signs of loss of intellegence after taking a break. Personally as well, after taking a week's break I feel completely revitalized, as if nothing had ever been consumed. The leading theory as to what marijuana does is that it gathers in the fat in your brain (which is very fatty), causing the neurons to push apart. Nothing permanent occurs.

I won't argue about the lungs. That is the one true danger of marijuana. But I feel it's one's right to destroy his lungs if he pleases.

At 11/17/06 09:53 PM, SirXVII wrote: YAY! Lets all rot our lungs and kill our brain cells!

even without drugs many of us are already doing so.

actually no offense but I have seen qute a few studys showing the effects of pot on the brain and it does cause mild damage. Also it is the a gateway drug, yes I know that sounds stupid but any one I know who smokes pot on a regular basis also does more serious stuff like speed

At 11/17/06 11:21 PM, Evans-Adams wrote: any one I know who smokes pot on a regular basis also does more serious stuff like speed

I'd consider myself in with the "out" crowd, so I know my fair share of people who smoke(d) pot and I must say, the only other drugs any of them do are drinking and smoking.

However, when pot is legalized, there's going to be a major influx of pot smokers for a good 5 to 10 years, and when this influx goes on for more than 48 months, we will have an "Iraq War" reaction (as I like to call it) to legal pot. Suddenly, support for it will drop because people don't realize that things take time. But anways, that's my rant for now.

At 11/17/06 09:48 PM, Tancrisism wrote:

With that logic, the fact that some people have eating problems should render food illegal.

Sure why not. Only problem is, people aren't born purely addicted to pot. They aren't born with "problems" which are caused by them abusing it.

Duh.

At 11/17/06 09:28 PM, Elfer wrote:

Why should I be denied the use of marijuana just because there's stupid people who overuse it until they harm themselves?

There's that liberal attitude. Only thinking about yourself.

At 11/18/06 01:09 AM, Techware wrote:

At 11/17/06 09:48 PM, Tancrisism wrote:

At 11/17/06 09:28 PM, Elfer wrote:

Why should I be denied the use of marijuana just because there's stupid people who overuse it until they harm themselves?

There's that liberal attitude. Only thinking about yourself.

Do you even know what the tennets of liberalism are in the United States? Do you have any idea beyond "people who vote democrat?" I thought conservatives claimed to be about limiting the power of the government and encouraging each person to be responsible for themselves. In reality there are several different areas of political discourse, and people can easily hold values for one area that are considered liberal while holding values for another that are conservative. Libertarians, for instance, tend to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

At 11/18/06 12:24 AM, MindControlFun wrote: I'd consider myself in with the "out" crowd, so I know my fair share of people who smoke(d) pot and I must say, the only other drugs any of them do are drinking and smoking.

However, when pot is legalized, there's going to be a major influx of pot smokers for a good 5 to 10 years, and when this influx goes on for more than 48 months, we will have an "Iraq War" reaction (as I like to call it) to legal pot. Suddenly, support for it will drop because people don't realize that things take time.

hmmmmmm maybe the people I know are just crappy people who will do anything some hands them....... but as a side note I think that pot should be used for medicinal purposes only if legalized, but you know we very many painkillers that could probably do the same thing..............

At 11/18/06 01:09 AM, Techware wrote:

At 11/17/06 09:28 PM, Elfer wrote:

Why should I be denied the use of marijuana just because there's stupid people who overuse it until they harm themselves?

There's that liberal attitude. Only thinking about yourself.

Ok, let me put this in a more general form:

Why should an innocent person be punished for the actions of a moron?

Also, I'm a social libertarian, not a liberal. I believe that a victimless crime is a completely illogical and stupid concept.

At 11/17/06 11:21 PM, Evans-Adams wrote: actually no offense but I have seen qute a few studys showing the effects of pot on the brain and it does cause mild damage. Also it is the a gateway drug, yes I know that sounds stupid but any one I know who smokes pot on a regular basis also does more serious stuff like speed

It's a possibility that it may lead to other things, but for me the real gateway drug was cigarettes.

At 11/18/06 01:09 AM, Techware wrote:

At 11/17/06 09:48 PM, Tancrisism wrote:

With that logic, the fact that some people have eating problems should render food illegal.

Sure why not. Only problem is, people aren't born purely addicted to pot. They aren't born with "problems" which are caused by them abusing it.

True. The thing is, not everybody abuses pot. There is no reason for the ones that do to ruin it for everybody. And I second the view that a victimless crime is bullshit.

It is not like people can't get it anyway. If it is legalized, it will lower the crime rate and would be more regulated.

At 11/17/06 09:53 PM, SirXVII wrote: YAY! Lets all rot our lungs and kill our brain cells!

Dude, I smoke weed, ciggarettes, drink, and chew. I have a 4.0 G.P.A. in college and play football. I was all conference in both football and track. I went to states in the 4x8 relay, if you don't know that is the long distance one, and I was anchor because I was the fastest on the team even though the other three kids on the team have never touched the stuff. What I am saying is that it doesn't kill your brain cells and though it may damage your lungs, that damage will be seen years down the road and that is just with heavy use.

At 11/18/06 06:43 PM, Davidthegreat888 wrote:

Dude, I smoke weed, ciggarettes, drink, and chew. I have a 4.0 G.P.A. in college and play football. I was all conference in both football and track. I went to states in the 4x8 relay, if you don't know that is the long distance one, and I was anchor because I was the fastest on the team even though the other three kids on the team have never touched the stuff.

Truth be told, you probly would've done better off the stuff.

Dumbass.

At 11/18/06 04:08 PM, Tancrisism wrote:

True. The thing is, not everybody abuses pot. There is no reason for the ones that do to ruin it for everybody. And I second the view that a victimless crime is bullshit.

Even tho that by allowing it to happen could cause complete turmoil, destory people's lives and the live's of those around them.

Yep, selfishness to it's fullest.

I'm liberal, but in this case I won't advocate for legalization of pot, and I also hope for the day that cigarettes get banned. Both of these substances not only harm the person using them, but they hurt the health of other people who suck in the secondhand smoke. Which, by the way, is said to be perhaps MORE dangerous to the health of those around the smoke than the actual inhalation of the smoke by the smoker.

At 11/18/06 09:39 PM, Techware wrote: Even tho that by allowing it to happen could cause complete turmoil, destory people's lives and the live's of those around them.

Yep, selfishness to it's fullest.

You sir, are a dumbass. Anyone who is going to go to such lengths as to destroy their life through the use of marijuana (which takes a lot of effort, by the way) has already done it.

If someone is so hell-bent on wrecking their life and "the lives of people around them" with drugs, legality of the substance is not going to be an issue.

Also, if you think legalising marijuana would cause "complete turmoil," you obviously don't understand the nature of the drug, nor do you understand that it wasn't even made illegal until 1937, and people survived just fine while it was legal.

At 11/19/06 12:02 AM, Elfer wrote:

has already done it.

Sure, but there's this little problem. It's called... the future (plays dramatic "aw" in background). The people who will, in the future ('awww') cause themselves turmoil and to those around him/her as well.

Smoking weed also opens the path to other drugs. I'd say about half the people I know who smoke weed also do other drugs like Adderol, Coke, and Shrooms. I think Adderol comes in as a close second of popularity to weed at my highschool.

Most of these people started with Mary J and moved on to the other things. I've seen cases where pot heads are still smart and do well in school and other cases where it turns people into total dumbasses and completely changes their personality.

And really if they legalized pot then that would bring up new public safety issues such as not smoking while driving and second hand mary J smoke.

Cannabis is the source of all evil.

These are all the simptoms of Marijuana:
- Drowsiness
- Aggressive behaviour
- Lung cancer
- Heart Attacks
- Seizures
- Difficulty Swallowing
- Gangrene
- Athma Attacks
- Hypertension
- Poor blood circulation
- Impared thinking abilities
- Impared judgment
- Poor coordination
- Sleep Deprivation
- Anorexia
- Neck Pain
- Burning Eyes
- Hot flushes
- Yellow Finger and Toe Nails
- Schizophrenia
- Autism
- Light-headedness
- Depression
- Nose-bleeds
- Constipation
- Cholesterol
- Chlamydia
- HIV/AIDS
- Herpes
... I'm getting tired, so I'll stop here.

At 11/19/06 12:36 AM, fasdit wrote: Most of these people started with Mary J and moved on to the other things.

and all the people that use marijuana and other drugs had tryed alcohol and cigarettes prior to trying marijuana. OMG! revelation!

Marijuana does have lasting health effects.

The actual drug in marijuana is THC, which is a milder derivative of acid. (LSD) Long term use will lessen heat and blood circulation of your brain, causing it to gradually shut down. Marijuana has been known to have forms of flashbacks, much in the same way of acid. This is very rare, but happens.

The fact is, it isn't a harmless drug. One of the newer Family Guy episodes (yeah, I was kinda shocked too) had Chris go on a minute long speech about some of the harmful effects. There's a lot.

And about leagalizing hemp... who the hell needs hemp anyway? There is no reason to use hemp for anything because we have other cheaper products to do everything that hemp does, but better.

And medicinal use... right. When was the last time a doctor prescribed you to SMOKE SOMETHING? What the hell? Take some pain killers or something, they work better anyways!

All of your arguments have done nothing but make my soul die a little more.

At 11/19/06 12:28 AM, Techware wrote:

At 11/19/06 12:02 AM, Elfer wrote:

has already done it.

Sure, but there's this little problem. It's called... the future (plays dramatic "aw" in background). The people who will, in the future ('awww') cause themselves turmoil and to those around him/her as well.

Yes, but in the future awwww, marijuana will still exist, despite being illegal. Do you understand what I'm saying? Anybody so inclined as to ruin their life with drugs doesn't care about the legality. If we were at a junction here where we were going to legalize marijuana or eradicate it from the face of the Earth, your argument would make sense. However, since it's still going to be available for purchase, it turns out you're just a moron.

At 11/19/06 01:22 AM, Archon-John wrote: And about leagalizing hemp... who the hell needs hemp anyway? There is no reason to use hemp for anything because we have other cheaper products to do everything that hemp does, but better.

No, you've got it backwards. Hemp is actually better, cheaper, and far less harmful to the environment than what we're using now.

At 11/17/06 08:17 PM, Sportsboy170 wrote:

At 11/17/06 12:58 AM, icye wrote: Don't legalize pot, legalize hemp.

If you legalize one the other one would have to be legalized because they look so much alike. If one were legal and not the other many people growing the legal one could be bothered by government officials thinking it is the illegal one.

uhhhh numbfucks?
Hemp is legal and is widely grown and farmed in Canada and the US as well as Europe.

At 11/19/06 12:38 AM, LolOutLoud wrote: Cannabis is the source of all evil.

These are all the simptoms of Marijuana:

- Drowsiness

if you take it to relax. try taking some when you feel energized and it's the opposite.

- Aggressive behaviour

bullshit.. and FUCK U !!!!!!111 (..uh, sorry i haven't had my hit today)

- Lung cancer

good, have a cookie.

- Heart Attacks

bullshit

- Seizures

bullshit

- Difficulty Swallowing

dehydration, also caused by alcohol.

- Gangrene

bullshit

- Athma Attacks

possible (only if you inhale)

- Hypertension

and relaxation (drowsyness)

- Poor blood circulation

bullshit

- Impared thinking abilities

and creativity

- Impared judgment

and more sex

- Poor coordination

and better dancing

- Sleep Deprivation

and drowsyness

- Anorexia

and munchies

- Neck Pain

and genital sensitivity

- Burning Eyes

and xray vision

- Hot flushes

and facial glow

- Yellow Finger and Toe Nails

and green fingers

- Schizophrenia

and selves-conciousness

- Autism

and as much money as Bill Gates.

- Light-headedness

less than alcohol

- Depression

and fun times

- Nose-bleeds

we don't snort weed kiddies.

- Constipation

cowshit

- Cholesterol

high or low?

- Chlamydia

bullshit

- HIV/AIDS

apeshit

- Herpes

sheepshit

... I'm getting tired, so I'll stop here.

or have another viagra

At 11/19/06 10:06 AM, Makaio wrote: uhhhh numbfucks?
Hemp is legal and is widely grown and farmed in Canada and the US as well as Europe.

Actually you can't freely grow hemp in the US, because it's too closely related to marijuana.

Go ahead, look it up.

At 11/19/06 09:32 AM, Elfer wrote:

Yes, but in the future awwww, marijuana will still exist, despite being illegal.

Didn't say it wouldn't.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Yes, you're going to go thru this whole "people will do it anyway" phase.

Anybody so inclined as to ruin their life with drugs doesn't care about the legality.

There's this thing called, perhaps you've heard of it, "possibility". But I see you're playing the 'if it feels good, do it' card, but with the added 'even if ruins your's and possibley other lives, because it feels good'. In true fashion, thinking only of yourself.

Cigarettes, cause lung cancer. Altho pot may not do that, i'd prefer to live in a place where people aren't like you, walking around with "duhhhhhhhh".

it turns out you're just a moron.

And you're just... a failure at life.

Personaly I think that cannabis should not be legalized as this would have 3 effects:
1)tabacco producers seeing thir sales going down would add more and more crap in there cigarettes to addict people as much as possible which would lead to higher dependance rates and thus a higher death rate in the smoker community.
2)drug dealers as their major income source would have just become legal they would sell more and more "hard" drugs which would result in a higher number of people being addicted to hard and so more dangerous drugs thus, once again, resulting in a higher death rate in the drug consuming population.
3)because the number of cannabis addicted people would increase.

Besides we musnt think of pot as the miracle plant because it is proven that cannabis:
1)contains twice as much tarmac as tobacco
2)has many secondary effects such as the lack of will to do anything and paranoïa
3)provokes an addiction on the consumer

It'd be hard to find someone AGAINST Cannabis, really.

At 11/19/06 10:52 AM, Techware wrote: Cigarettes, cause lung cancer. Altho pot may not do that, i'd prefer to live in a place where people aren't like you, walking around with "duhhhhhhhh".

it turns out you're just a moron.

And you're just... a failure at life.

Really? I'm near the top of my class in engineering at one of the best universities in the country. You're a tile setter.

Just saying I "walk around with 'duhhhhhhhh'" isn't really a valid argument, not to mention the fact that it doesn't make any sense, unless I had a friend named duhhhhhhhh.

At 11/19/06 11:08 AM, Brainstrain wrote: It'd be hard to find someone AGAINST Cannabis, really.

Actually, it's quite easy.

Alcohol has justifiable purpose: we use it as a social networking tool and it provides a safe alternative to water-- and many areas of the world have unsafe, polluted, or otherwise undrinkable water. High concentration alcohol in drinks might be something worth limiting, but alcohol itself has a necessary purpose.

Tobacco is a national bad habit adopted as a fad when we didn't realize the consequences. However, it is slowly being eliminated from our country. My state, Ohio, just passed a law banning smoking in all public places a couple weeks ago. Tobacco is slowly being eliminated, but it will take more time to get rid of it.

Marijuana is similar to tobacco. It has no real justifiable use, it really became popular as a fad, and it is just as worthless. The only thing preserving it is the mental self-justifying at any costs of teenagers. Any form of smoking should go out the door.

you're saying that marijuana can't be used as a social networking tool as well?

You must be underestimating the prevalence of marijuana use.