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At 3/30/03 08:26 PM, RageAholic wrote:
I voted for him my family voted for him lots of people did thats why he did win. THERE ARE NO ILLEGAL WARS. I dont really give a fuck about how he talks. Dont really care who he made what. Killers, Rapists, and other phycos should be put to death. AND I BELIVE IN GOD YOU COCK SUCKER SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GIVE SOME REAL EVIDENCE OF HIM BEING A BAD GUY.

just ignore those who say he didn't win, they obviously haven't heard of "irving slosberg"

I dislike the fact that Bush is in control of this country. He's probably a super nice guy face to face.

I don't want to go through and read everything people said. But to the guy that gave a list...I'm gonna be a bitch. I'm sorry.

What the FUCK does believing in God have to do with the price of tea in China?? Shit, man. If that's the way you go through life, picking and choosing your friends and who you like based on their theological beliefs, then you're going to be a very, very unhappy bastard. More people believe in some sort of god, be it the Christian God, or some other polytheistic religion. That is NOT a reason not to like someone's politics.

As for the other stuff...giving a list like that without supporting it will only get you flamed here. Not really by me. I respect people's opinions, for the most part. I too agree that the war is illegal. I've tried to explain it with fact several times. Yet a lot of people still don't get it. It's unconstitutional, it's against UN resolution...it's illegal. But hey. Not everyone is willing to accept the fact, if it means admitting they're wrong.

Being stubborn is not always a virtue.

The electoral process in this country is a little fucked up, in my opinion, if the man that won by popular vote isn't our president. But hey. Arguing about an election that happened three years ago isn't gonna do jack.

The best thing Mr. Bush did is surround himself with people that are smarter than him. He is not a smart man, by any stretch of the imagination, but he's got people behind him that know what they're doing. Do I agree with what's being done, or how? I don't like my civil liberties being fucked with. But Mr. Bush chose intelligent people.

That's all, really.

it's not illegal, international law is a joke. it was a joke before it even came up. as for the constitutional arguement, i see no sign of that. unless there's a pacifist ammendment i missed

At 4/10/03 02:39 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: it's not illegal, international law is a joke. it was a joke before it even came up. as for the constitutional arguement, i see no sign of that. unless there's a pacifist ammendment i missed

Wow, so...I must have missed something that said "This guy is the end all, be all opinion about international law!"

The US joined the UN with the understanding that certain international laws WERE to be followed. If the US didn't want to comply, then the US should not be a member.

Since I don't recall seeing you around before, I'll give my very, very basic explanation of why it's illegal. It's fact.

The US constitution calls for congressional approval before war. It was not given. Therefore, it's illegal according to Constitutional law.

US Security Council resolution 1441 covers weapons that can and can't be had by Iraq, and what can be done. Since this war's stated goal is regime change, and regime change is outside the reach of that resolution, it's technically illegal.

Although it's not illegal to be a hypocrite, this war is the biggest hypocricy I've seen. They attack Iraq for not complying with the UN...but in attacking, they too have not complied with the UN.

Now, since your argument, Mr. Anarchy, was 'international law is a joke', I can't expect you to agree or even -understand- what I just wrote. I try to be very respectful of people's opinions. But when arguments like that are made...when it's obvious that such little thought was put into it...I expect one of a few things.

1. You'll use personal attacks and insults in retaliation.

2. You'll ignore the facts I gave, and insist I'm wrong. If that's the case, show me where exactly in resolution 1441 that regime change is covered.

3. You'll pout and call me names.

It's all fine and dandy. I can't change what you'll do. But I'll be damned if your 'international law is a joke' comment didn't make me want to punch something as much as the fucking 'NO WAR FOR OIL' campaign does.

At 4/10/03 02:51 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

At 4/10/03 02:39 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

Wow, so...I must have missed something that said "This guy is the end all, be all opinion about international law!"

yeah just make sure you don't make that mistake again

seriously though international law has to be "recognized" to be effective. so a nation has to want to be governed by each law for them to be effective.

At 4/10/03 03:56 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:
seriously though international law has to be "recognized" to be effective. so a nation has to want to be governed by each law for them to be effective.

Which I think I covered in my statement about joining the UN in the first place.

When the US joined the UN, they agreed to follow those laws. Nuff said.

doesn't mean the agreement will stick. shit the US has veto power on the securiy council, so it doesn't matter if the laws are broken or not. the security council can't really be called on to do anything about it.

sure some nations have agreed to some laws, fewer have abided by them, but geuss what? there's no international police or anything to really enforce those laws. even if there were, so what? they would all have nationalities and likely be real sympathetic to some nations no? and what do you do if you should happen to find someone disobeying? well you can't just go to mr. international nation because he doesn't exist. you can tell the others about it, but they have to see eye to eye with you. they certainly won't if they don't exactly obey or for that matter recognize the laws themselves will they?

so yeah it's a joke. you just really can't expect it to be effective

Well, atleast we agree on one thing Nemesisz..
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Heres a little more serious list on why Bush is unsuitable as a president:

1: He believes revenge is the best way to sollute a problem

2: He is a fanatical christian, and the history shows that any leader fanatical to a religion soon become dictators

3: Actually, Al Gore won the people's election, but he became the president (maybe it is corruption in the picture here. Hmm... )

4: (not so serious, so dont take it seriously) He is a gigantic insult to all chimps (which actually is cute animals) by looking like them.

5: He supports Israels terror against the palestinians

6: He says he leaves no child behind, while 1 of 6 US kids (and lot of more kids in other places) live in poverty

7: He is giving huge tax breaks to the rich and trashing everyone else's economy

8: He is rejecting the Kyoto accords, that the rest of the world signed

9: He is trying to separate USA from the rest of the world, forgetting that we all live under the same heaven and in this times of globalisation, we have to cooperate to survive

10: He says things like "we are the finest people in the world", which remains me very of Adolph Hitlers Übermench. A nazist with so mouch power? Hmmm....

This is a list of why Bush sucks as a president

At 4/10/03 09:39 AM, theantiamerican wrote:

This is a list of why Bush sucks as a president

While I agree with some of your views, the use of "sucks" trashes your debate.

The real problem with Bush starting a war without UN's approval is that now that He has made it, What stops any other country from attacking another under the principle that they have weapons of mass destruction or that they are "evil". Has for the "Bush didnt win the election", he did win, but only 50% of the american people voted. If you hated Bush so much, you should have voted against him, thats what I did. Comparing Bush to Hitler can also be accurate in a certain light : like Hitler, he used the fact that his people was down to declare war.

Note : Funny thing, many of those who are pro-war are also christian, yet didnt God told humans "You shall not kill" ? Think on that.

For those who hate Bush or for those who are curious, visit www.campchaos.com, click on dubya videos then the State of the Union video. I must tell you, you might find that very offensive if you're too patriotic...

i figured by now someone would remember the authorization by congress for bush to handle the war as he pleased(meaning even if it came to war). geuss not

At 4/10/03 09:39 AM, theantiamerican wrote: Heres a little more serious list on why Bush is unsuitable as a president:

Actually, Al Gore won the people's election, but he became the president (maybe it is corruption in the picture here. Hmm... )

seriously, the dead horse is tired of being beaten, give it up, bush won by the standards that were in place, and if that means he got beat in the popular vote by a few, so what? the electoral college is the deciding factor and, when they made their votes (which are REPRESETATIVE of the PEOPLE), bush won. thats how that works

He is rejecting the Kyoto accords, that the rest of the world signed

expecting the US to get to european standards of pollution in the amount of time that kyoto outlined is ludicrous.

This is a list of why Bush sucks as a president

when bush is the president of norway, ill listen to your arguments and actually consider them. until then, this is fourdaddy, live from the USA

At 4/7/03 08:39 PM, Zelnick wrote: All the REAL Anti-War People have shut up now becuase they know they were wrong. All the ANTI-AMERICANS who oppose the war are still protesting and stuff. Some people in California who blocked some supplies going to our troops are Anti-American Anti-War Americans.We should arrest and trail them with sabotage. So why don't you liberals and still protesting Anti-War people SHUT UP!

thats exactly what i said in another forum.the least amount of time these anti-americans should get is 30 years in priosn.

At 4/10/03 11:06 PM, dlsc187 wrote: thats exactly what i said in another forum.the least amount of time these anti-americans should get is 30 years in priosn.

i would agree, except that if we do that we will ironically have taken the first step to getting rid of freedom of speech. now for the "violent" protesters, i don't know about 30 years but certainly some jail time is suitable.

At 4/10/03 05:31 PM, Shangui wrote:

If you hated Bush so much, you should have voted against him, thats what I did.

Excuse: I am norwegian. I cant vote against Bush. But i think that since the president of america has so mouch power in this world, the world should vote the american president. Then, we will get democracy.

At 4/13/03 08:10 AM, theantiamerican wrote:
Excuse: I am norwegian. I cant vote against Bush. But i think that since the president of america has so mouch power in this world, the world should vote the american president. Then, we will get democracy.

well it looks like YOUR not getting democracy, sucks to be you

At 4/13/03 12:02 PM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: well it looks like YOUR not getting democracy, sucks to be you

It looks like *you're not going to school.

of course not, i've graduated

I hope they didn't charge you anything, you should ask for a refund

but didn't it take YOU till level 11 to figure out that exp requirements for most levels change daily? i figured it out when i was level 2. so unless you were directing that at yourself you really shouldn't be talking

That's interesting, especially because they don't change at the lower levels.

yeah, it's talked about a lot though

At 4/10/03 05:31 PM, Shangui wrote: Note : Funny thing, many of those who are pro-war are also christian, yet didnt God told humans "You shall not kill" ? Think on that.

God never said "Thou shalt not kill". He said "Thou shalt not murder". Big difference buddy.

Waging war against regimes that support terror and are actively pursuing weapons of mass destruction is not murder. (The next sentence has no connection to the war) A lot of vegetarians argue that point about killing, but killing an animal for food is not murder, either. (But back to the war issue). No, this war does not violate the Bible.

At 4/10/03 09:39 AM, theantiamerican wrote: Heres a little more serious list on why Bush is unsuitable as a president:

1: He believes revenge is the best way to sollute a problem

2: He is a fanatical christian, and the history shows that any leader fanatical to a religion soon become dictators

3: Actually, Al Gore won the people's election, but he became the president (maybe it is corruption in the picture here. Hmm... )

4: (not so serious, so dont take it seriously) He is a gigantic insult to all chimps (which actually is cute animals) by looking like them.

5: He supports Israels terror against the palestinians

6: He says he leaves no child behind, while 1 of 6 US kids (and lot of more kids in other places) live in poverty

7: He is giving huge tax breaks to the rich and trashing everyone else's economy

8: He is rejecting the Kyoto accords, that the rest of the world signed

9: He is trying to separate USA from the rest of the world, forgetting that we all live under the same heaven and in this times of globalisation, we have to cooperate to survive

10: He says things like "we are the finest people in the world", which remains me very of Adolph Hitlers Übermench. A nazist with so mouch power? Hmmm....

This is a list of why Bush sucks as a president

Wow. Well, first of all, (i found this in your profile) if you are not against the rest of the U.S., just against the current government, then why is your name theantiamerican? Our government is a government "Of the people, By the people, and For the people". The citizens are in effect the government. WE elect our government and they are directly responsible to us. The only reason the American president has so much power, is that the American people collectively have so much power, both in military and economy. If I'm not mistaken, it was you who said the world should vote for the president. Bullshit. As soon as we start collecting taxes from you, drafting you, and spilling your blood to protect our sovereignty, THEN you can vote for the president.

1. You give no proof to back up this arguement. Besides, I imagine (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that you are against U.S. pre-emptive striking. Well, if we were to retaliate against an attack you would call it revenge. Well, the other option is pre-emptive strike, or just sit on our asses and do nothing about 9/11 or Iraq. It'll be a cold day in hell before America is attacked and there are no consequences.

2. Not true. The founding fathers were fanatical christians. They cited the Bible over 10,000 times in framing our government, and I fail to see how they were dictators. (Again correct me if I'm wrong) but do you believe in evolution? Hitler did. In fact, it was what spawned his anti-semitism. He believed jews were closest to monkeys because of their height and skull structure. If religion is something one believes in, then belief in no god or belief in evolution could be considered a religion. EVERYBODY believes in SOMETHING, be it nothing even.

3. States' rights are protected by the electoral system. Why shouldn't states have the same voting power in Congress as in the presidential election? Besides, Gore tried to steal the election in Florida. I've watched video taped and listen to testimonials on the news about people stuffing ballots for Gore. In all actuality, I'll bet Bush actually got the popular vote.

4. He does kind of look like a monkey...

5. Military retaliation and camaigning against terror is not terrorism. Killing terrorists is not the same as killing innocent civilians.

6. He made that statement regarding his education program. But yes, something should be done about the innocent kids suffering from poverty ALL OVER THE WORLD. No child should have to live with that.

7. Well, the rich pay taxes as well, don't they? Why shouldn't they get a break, too? And please elaborate on trashing everyone else's economy. Our's is suffering, too. Mainly from the crap Clinton did to it. It took CLinton 8 years to ruin all the good Reagan did for the economy.

8. Do you really expect us to get to European pollution standards in that amount of time given?

9. We are separate from the rest of the world. So are you. We are a sovereign nation. So is Norway. We should not base our policies on the consensus of the world, but on the consensus of our people. e hold the right to make decisions for ourselves as a nation. It should be respected. The world has no jurisdiction over us. The world has no jurisdiction over Norway. We ARE separate.

10. Comparing Bush to Hitler is rediculous. What is wrong with having pride in our acheivements as a nation? You should be just as proud of your nationality as we are of ours.

And yes, the "sucks" bit does kind of hurt the arguement.

gore rigged some votes in texas too, but since he lost big anyway no one pays attention to that. you'd think they would though if they're using the popular vote arguement.