stop complaining about iraq

[peroo]

I am tired of people complaining about all the deaths in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Americans and especially Canadians like to over exaggerate everything, but when it comes to other places in the world we don't give a shit. Everything I’m about to say is true, and is backed up by irrefutable statistics. First of all, there are more deaths by smoking a YEAR by Americans! Then there has been in Iraq. More people die of aids every year then have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. In a single battle of World War 2 "d-day" equaled more then half of the deaths in Iraq. In Hitler’s death camps 12 million people were killed, which is many, many more times then the deaths in Iraq! According to the casualty rate by CNN, only 21 thousand people have died in the whole history of the war. 200,000 people died due to the tsunami in 2004, which is 10 times that! More people died every single day due to hunger then have died in Iraq! In single battles of World War 1, as many as 750,000 people died! In conclusion, all this evidence speaks to me, that people on earth are more likely to die of every day life then in Iraq. For instance 16,694 people died of driving related deaths in 2004 alone! Now do you see why I’m tired of people of people complaining about the war in Iraq? What you take out of this is up to you, please discuss what you think of this, and if you believe that I have a valid point. Basically what I believe is that the war in Iraq is not a horrible war. More people died in Rwanda, because the U.N refused to intervene. We are horribly self infatuated, we do not care about anyone else, and because if we did we would see that the war in Iraq is not a horrible thing. I am tired of people saying that bush is Hitler and that he is stupid. How could a scholar from Harvard be stupid? If anything bush is naive, but not stupid. And he is certainly no Hitler, as the statistics show.

Alcohol link
http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-sta tistics.html
World war one link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
Hunger link
http://www.freedonation.com/hunger/hunger_sta ts.php3
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/nr-cp/19 96/1996_death-mort_e.html
Smoking links
http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/global.htm
Aids link
http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
Death camp link
http://www.factbites.com/topics/Death-camps
D-day links
http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/faq.htm
Tsunami links
http://geology.about.com/library/bl/bltsunami deathtable.htm
Iraq casualties
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/ casualties/
Rwanda
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/geno cide/rwanda.htm

[Neoptolemus]

At 11/11/06 02:20 PM, peroo wrote: According to the casualty rate by CNN, only 21 thousand people have died in the whole history of the war.

Well, according to my sources over 600,000 Iraqis have died as a direct result of the war.. and to be honest, i'd trust my sources more than CNN.

[SolInvictus]

'A single deeath is a tragedy, millions is a statistic" - Stalin

[sargentrock]

hey man i agree with you more people dide in past wars then this one and that 600,000 is form terroist attck but any way i hate protester fort both sides im sick of here about this war when will there be like 10 years of peace and by the way vietnam and korea where not this long and had like 4 times as much dead im not sure but i know it was more then this and my uncle says dont listen to the news cause its what the gover ment wants

[Freemind]

So how many people have to die before we are allowed to give a shit without annoying you?

[poxpower]

So by that logic, I could walk up to you and shoot you in the face, and no one should whine about it because there's more people who die each year in jar-opening accidents?

[sargentrock]

um ya we do are you retarded wait you cant be you much stupider sure thing are currpt but somethings got to break some day

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 11/11/06 03:52 PM, poxpower wrote: So by that logic, I could walk up to you and shoot you in the face, and no one should whine about it because there's more people who die each year in jar-opening accidents?

Be a true American, and help bring an end to all the Jar related violence!

[SolInvictus]

At 11/11/06 04:27 PM, mofomojo wrote: So, are you one to follow in the footsteps of Stalin? The most murderous man this world has ever known?

bah, it seemed rather descriptive of the situation.

[peroo]

All i'm saying is that it's not the worst war. Bush is not the devil, nor the anti christ nor can he be compared to hitler. I am tired of people claiming that this is such a bad war, when in all relation to the world, we could die just as easily from day to day life.

[peroo]

i'm talking about americain casualties in case anybody was wondering. This is what most people care about, so it seems.

[Neoptolemus]

At 11/11/06 05:06 PM, peroo wrote: I am tired of people claiming that this is such a bad war

Maybe people say it's such a bad war because it is an illegal war that has cost too many lives for both the innocent Iraqis and coalition soldiers..

[peroo]

illigal? explain to me how? And I am not entirely sure what your tag is all about, but are you insinuating isreal is making genocide or the opposite?

[Glue-Sniffer]

TWO WORDS: BUSH SUCKS

[Dude64]

AMEN.

[peroo]

At 11/11/06 05:50 PM, TangerineClock wrote: TWO WORDS: BUSH SUCKS

well seeing as you are 13 years old, I doubt you understand teh inerworkings of polotics. You probibally don't understand how much freedom we have, and you have nott been around long enough to remember any other president then bush and clinton. So please take your misinformed opinion somewhere else.

[enraged-fish]

At 11/11/06 05:50 PM, TangerineClock wrote: TWO WORDS: BUSH SUCKS

okay u libral asshole u hate bush so much that u dont look at the issues. u say that iraq will never be under control but thats wat the libral medias crap. iraq is divided into states and about 26/38 ar secure. focus on the issues be pro american not anti bush

[MrBibz]

At 11/11/06 02:20 PM, peroo wrote: Americans and especially Canadians like to over exaggerate everything

clearly, your blowing that statement out of proportion (derr)

Everything I’m about to say is true,

how nice.

It's ignorant that you would choose to say Iraq is not bad, because it's not the worst. All wars are bad. Death is bad, and you can't tell people to stop complaining about it. Yes, people day for many reasons, and they complain about those causes too.

Ever heard of MADD or SADD, or any other organization against alchohaul, smoking, etc.

At 11/11/06 07:33 PM, peroo wrote:

At 11/11/06 05:50 PM, TangerineClock wrote: TWO WORDS: BUSH SUCKS

well seeing as you are 13 years old, I doubt you understand teh inerworkings of polotics. You probibally don't understand how much freedom we have, and you have nott been around long enough to remember any other president then bush and clinton. So please take your misinformed opinion somewhere else.

WEell ah jjezz i guest i joost downt understandd teh inerworkings of polotics either. I liek how ue kritisize a thertean year old when you downt even botter two spel write.

[Draik50th]

People worldwide complain about Iraq because it's related to the US, plain and simple. We are a "big" country and therefore our actions are seen everywhere with the utmost scrutiny. Therefore, I don't care if people complain about it because if it's one thing I damn well know, people LOVE to complain. They complain when things go right, they complain when things go wrong and they also complain when they got nothing better to do.

-One thing I wish is that the media wouldn’t show it all the time day in and day out. They need to just cover the topic briefly and move on. The next they may go back to it again but don’t make it the entire daylong article. Wars are important but there are many other important events that go on without the inclusion of war also.

-Doesn't help that pretty much all of the counties in the world hate us regardless. A good sign that you're doing something bad is when the entire world starts liking it. To say that the majority of the world is fucked up is not far from the truth. You have countries with endless civil wars, Communist dictatorships, ethnic cleansing, economic collapse and/or Socialist-run governments (at least the Commies know their system isn't fair and doesn't work, Socialists kind of missed that important fact about it). There's more, but it would take too much time to add in.

-If it were just a small country or mercenaries going into Iraq it would receive absolutely no attention. This is a lot like how the UN "works," small countries get pretty much no attention because any action they do is deemed insignificant and usually is because it's mostly comprised of bitching about other countries whilst the larger nations such as US, China, Israel or any other moderately developed country can effect world events.

Another thing that definitely doesn't help is the media showing it off as their key source of ratings.

-The media does this by cashing in on an innate human trait: that people like to see things go wrong or at least laugh about them. Now what they do from here is to cut out any good news from Iraq during the Republican term and then immediately slap them back on as soon as the Democrats begin their term allowing them to trump it as a victory "they" have made possible. You can already see now on TV that whenever the Democrats want to announce something, being now in power, the news will show positive stuff to reinforce their arguments.

-It’s guaranteed that as soon as they start showing the good news from Iraq they will have something else waiting to look bad, (being Republican related of course). They have a gigantic trove of these very damaging articles, just waiting for the right time to use them, (even though the events took place a long time ago).

Lol, well I guess you will argue against this one, most people probably didn't have the patience to read a post like this. Of course this is related but is LONG. I'm gonna go read a book and let this cause some heads to explode from either anger or confusion.

-The chance that someone understands this point of view is like winning the lottery I'd bet, especially here. I probably have better chances staying alive walking into a Palestinian territory and saying "Israel rocks" or something.

[peroo]

I think I can agree with Draik50th. As north Americans we have the most say in the U.N and our deaths and such are the bigger news then in countries with a smaller say.

With regards to MrBibz, you sir are an idiot. Taking one typo "teh" which I meant it to be the, does not make a spelling mistake. You did that deliberately to try and make me look like the fool, but your the real fool. Exactly! Every death is bad, but we don't acknowledge all the deaths that are happening. In relation to the world, the deaths in Iraq are very small. This doesn't make them meaningless; this just means that we should understand that this is not the worst war. People have such short term memories and they don’t remember the past. Vietnam was a tragedy, Iraq is small in comparison. This means that bush is not the worst president, and by going along with this idiotic fad of calling a Harvard graduate which by the way can only be achieved with a 90% grade average an idiot is truly ignorant. Bush is naive, not an idiot and people have to understand that. Bush is no Hitler, and calling him that truly pisses me off, because it makes Hitler look not so bad. So idiotic liberals who want North America to disarm, go into combat first. You obviously never had the taste of true conflict if you think that by giving up our armies, the world will welcome us with open arms. In reality we will be trounced and occupancy of our territories will be a synch. Yes every human life is precious, but we must not fool ourselves by making seem worse then what it really is. Getting mad at me won't change that.

[Alphabit]

The war in Iraq was a Huge mistake.

I think an 8 year old could have done a better job than Bush... The 8 year old would have done what his advisors told him, and we would have been better off.

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

We all know the war in Iraq wasn't just because WMD's or about democracy, or about oil.
It was the combination of those things. And i don't think fighting a war over oil is bad, since Saddam Could have used it as a political device.
And it also makes the position of the west in the middle east a lot stronger.
You don't have to consider those things evil, wrong or corrupt! It is in my eyes necesarry.

[bcdemon]

At 11/12/06 02:42 AM, peroo wrote: I think I can agree with Draik50th. As north Americans we have the most say in the U.N and our deaths and such are the bigger news then in countries with a smaller say.

ROFL are you serious? North Americans have more say in the United Nations? Are you sure you understand how the UN works? It works on votes and vetoes. If "north americans" had more say in the UN then why didn't Bush get UN approval for the Iraq invasion/occupation?
Because the votes didn't allow it.

Every death is bad, but we don't acknowledge all the deaths that are happening. In relation to the world, the deaths in Iraq are very small. This doesn't make them meaningless; this just means that we should understand that this is not the worst war.

The deaths in Iraq are paramount, why you ask? Because that is where one country attacked a sovereign, peaceful nation under false pretenses. Not some internal clash between religious/political factions like many African issues. And in some small way you may be right about Iraq not being the worst war, but it is the only war alot of people have had to deal with, also it's the only major confilct (war) happening right now.

Bush is naive, not an idiot and people have to understand that.

I call Bush an idiot because of the things he says, and yes I have to admit, some of his actions are idiotic aswell. Like changing his entire verbal stance on the Iraq invasion/occupation from "stay the course" to "we have never been stay the course" all in just 7 days.

Bush is no Hitler, and calling him that truly pisses me off, because it makes Hitler look not so bad. So idiotic liberals who want North America to disarm, go into combat first. You obviously never had the taste of true conflict if you think that by giving up our armies, the world will welcome us with open arms. In reality we will be trounced and occupancy of our territories will be a synch. Yes every human life is precious, but we must not fool ourselves by making seem worse then what it really is. Getting mad at me won't change that.

Who ever said they wanted North America to disarm? That would be outright stupid. The thing about getting pised off and complaining about a war like the Iraq war, if people don't get mad and complain, then it becomes 'accepted'. And when invasions like these become acceptable, then it's fair game throughout the world. If nobody ever bitched and complained about pedophelia then it would become accepted in our society, do you want that?

[bcdemon]

At 11/11/06 07:39 PM, enraged-fish wrote:

At 11/11/06 05:50 PM, TangerineClock wrote: TWO WORDS: BUSH SUCKS

okay u libral asshole u hate bush so much that u dont look at the issues. u say that iraq will never be under control but thats wat the libral medias crap. iraq is divided into states and about 26/38 ar secure. focus on the issues be pro american not anti bush

Actually, Iraq is divided into 18 provinces, not 38 states as you believe. And out of those 18 provinces, only 2 have been "secured", Al Muthanna was the first and Dhi Qar being the second (Sept 21/06). Don't worry about being pro-US or anti-bush, just be informed and everything else will fall into place.

Wait I thought it was three provinces? AKA all of kurdistan.

[Peter-II]

This topic is idiotic.

At 11/12/06 10:59 AM, Peter-II wrote: This topic is idiotic.

Which part the first post or the negative responces?

[Denta]

At 11/11/06 07:33 PM, peroo wrote:

At 11/11/06 05:50 PM, TangerineClock wrote: TWO WORDS: BUSH SUCKS

well seeing as you are 13 years old, I doubt you understand teh inerworkings of polotics. You probibally don't understand how much freedom we have, and you have nott been around long enough to remember any other president then bush and clinton. So please take your misinformed opinion somewhere else.

Wow, someone hasn't payed attention on:

Afghanistan, Iraq, New Orleans flooding, Guantanamo Bay cruelties etc, etc.

So you really can't come with oppinions, UNLESS YOU'VE DONE YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK!!!

Besides, Age: Unspecified.

Lol, 10 year old.

[Kasualty]

Nuke them.

[Draik50th]

Man I can't believe I have to describe how the UN "works" to people, it should be obvious, when the US wants to do something in the UN what countries are key in blocking?

If you say Russia and China you are right because they are big countries who of course hate everything the US does because of the long standing feud that has never really disapeared from the Cold War. I mean you never hear this from the UN, "the leader of *some obscure country* was instrumental in the blocking of the US resolutions.

-Lastly the most important fact is that UN resolutions are just pieces of paper with no power behind them except when the larger countries armies are involved. So violating them is not a big deal, I mean just look at North Korea or Iran which are great examples.

-Sure the US overrides them but so does everyone else in the world, cause without the power behind them there's no obedience to follow them. Like if there were no cops in America, do you think people would still follow the laws, I doubt it.

-This all goes down to the fact that people are basically evil and will do anything to benefit themselves, so when you get a whole bunch of these countries (+200) together (aka the UN) what makes you think they will actually work to benefit everyone in the world? Hell they don't even know a majority of the cultures and ethnicities there, and without a common understanding between them the hope that they work effectively is impossible.

-Guantanamo Bay has been a military base for a LONG time, it was there during the Cuban Missile Crisis under former President John F. Kennedy. Yeah those soldiers shouldn't have been doing that but its not as bad as fraternity jokes. Those damn things actually kill people.

At least it's not as bad as the communists would treat them or their own people. They would shoot or torture them. The US treats those bastards like Kings with tv's, food, recliner chairs, etc.

-Terrorists are NOT protected under the Geneva Conventions because they do not wear a uniform and are not part of an organized fighting force under a government's control. They don't even have to stay in the field all the time and fight. They can just shoot an American soldier or civilian, (which of course under Geneva Conventions you cannot shoot civilians), go home, then sleep like nothing happened. Then the next day they would go out and do it again or blow themselves up.