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Winning the lottery.

By what non-god related explanation might you have for that one?

At 11/10/06 03:29 PM, Lettuceclock wrote: A coin flip lands based directly on different variables, such as how hard you fliped it, how hard the winds blowing, whether its a bouncy surface it's going to land on, ect.

Which is all based on chance...

Chance is based on what might happen exmample i might have 20 red coins in a pot 20 yellow and 20 green i have a 20/60 chance to get yellow if i dont look in the pot

Even though there are certain varibles that may seen to not be chance, there is no way to control how it bounces off the ground exactly, so it's still chance.

But I see your point.

At 11/18/06 01:00 AM, GeneralAC wrote: Chance is based on what might happen exmample i might have 20 red coins in a pot 20 yellow and 20 green i have a 20/60 chance to get yellow if i dont look in the pot

That is, once again, the subject of PROBABILITY, not chance.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we take 8th grade math before coming to newgrounds.com.

Actually, some coins "heads side" are heavier than the "tails side", so flipping a coin is sometimes more or less than 50/50, and another thing, probablilty is determined by a set of occurences, not "it might be a bouncy surface or not", or anything to do with the wind. In fact, there is no occurences involved, or this would change the outcome to something different.

I don't know what I wrote there.

At 11/18/06 12:57 AM, VegetarianMeat wrote:

Which is all based on chance...

No. None of that is. How hard you flip is directly controlled by you. The wind in completely based on the sea (at least around here) activity. The surface of what it's bouncing off was chosen by the person who built the building your flipping the coin in.

You're under the impression that if you don't directly controll a variable, it must be completely random, when in reality it's all based off something.

At 11/18/06 01:06 AM, Lord-Zed wrote:

I don't know what I wrote there.

Well, basically what you tried to say was right. Probability is simply an estimate of how often something will happen, based not off variables but past occurences and good ol' fashioned mathermatics.

At 11/18/06 01:09 AM, Lettuceclock wrote:

At 11/18/06 12:57 AM, VegetarianMeat wrote:

Which is all based on chance...

No. None of that is. How hard you flip is directly controlled by you.

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out the right words to explain myself, but I'll try anyways. When I'm flipping a coin, I'm not concentrating on how hard I hit it, so every time I flip it, there's a chance that the force of the flip changes. And even if I were trying to hit it at the same force every time, there's a chance that I might screw up.

At 11/18/06 01:26 AM, VegetarianMeat wrote:

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out the right words to explain myself, but I'll try anyways. When I'm flipping a coin, I'm not concentrating on how hard I hit it, so every time I flip it, there's a chance that the force of the flip changes. And even if I were trying to hit it at the same force every time, there's a chance that I might screw up.

Which is why that is a variable, and not a constant. However, the resulting flip is STILL based off definable factors, and not 'luck', for lack of a better word, so it isn't chance, but a controlled outcome.

Ok... putting aside the whole coin thing, you just can't say there's no thing as chance. There is a chance that I might die tomorrow, the probability of that is indeterminable, so it must be chance.

This is too deep for 87% of NG.

At 11/18/06 01:41 AM, VegetarianMeat wrote: Ok... putting aside the whole coin thing, you just can't say there's no thing as chance. There is a chance that I might die tomorrow, the probability of that is indeterminable, so it must be chance.

No, it's not 'chance'. You won't just randomly die, you'll die of a specific ailment with a specific cause and specific variables tweaking it.

At 11/10/06 03:29 PM, Lettuceclock wrote: A coin flip lands based directly on different variables, such as how hard you fliped it, how hard the winds blowing, whether its a bouncy surface it's going to land on, ect.

Quantum mechanics works on the principle that sub atomic particles act outside the control of any recognized force, i.e. randomly.

At 11/20/06 06:11 PM, Pixilation wrote:

Quantum mechanics works on the principle that sub atomic particles act outside the control of any recognized force, i.e. randomly.

Heres the problem with that whole theory though; it's based on nothing, as opposed to based on something. What I mean by this; instead of them reaching the conclusion by going 'we've done testes, yadda, yadda, yadda, and determined based on what we discovered the path is random'. Instead, they went 'We havn't SEEN any specific patern, so we assume there isn't one'. While thats still a good way to get a hypothesis (E.G, I don't see any midgets under 1 foot tall, so I assume there arn't any) it still leaves open the chance that theres something they are missing. But yes, I cede that thats certainly a possibility.

+1 cookie to pixilation.

At 11/20/06 06:18 PM, Lettuceclock wrote: While thats still a good way to get a hypothesis (E.G, I don't see any midgets under 1 foot tall, so I assume there arn't any) it still leaves open the chance that theres something they are missing. But yes, I cede that thats certainly a possibility.

What was that? Did you just say "chance?" Funny, you'd think that if you thought there was no such thing as chance, you wouldn't use it in a sentence. And don't tell me you were using it in a different context, cause you weren't.

Something that happens unpredictably without discernible human intention or observable cause

There is a chance you will die today. You cannot predict it, you cannot calculate it... but there is a small chance it will happen.

The universe is made out of chance, probabilities and random events.

If you think that by calculation every single possible object that can affect something in this worl you will be able to predict everything, you are wrong.

Imagine that it`s possible, that you get a monstruos computer that has a link to everything that happens in the world. So it can calculate what weather there will be in a countrie, where there will be a bus accident, etc...

But here comes chance. You don`t know how will things react exactly, you don`t know if a fly will turn left or right. It depends on it`s own will. And a single fly can change a set of events, which change other set of events, and that way forever.

Chance exists, in my opinion, thanks to living organisms, which are completely unpredictable.