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At 3/29/03 01:49 AM, the_dark_knight63 wrote:

Wow, some of you have some of the most interesting views on religion. And I'd just like to say, the person that started this wanted to see who on newgrounds was a christian, not who isn't and what those people's views are on christianity.

Thank you, was just about to say that.

whoops.

uh, well, you can tell his erm.. well, I wouldn't call it a quote.

from mine.

yeah well, its like real life.. you start talking about one thing.. then move on to something thats related and eventually end up so far away from the origional subject at hand you have no clue how you got there...

thing is with this one.. were still in the early stages, were still talking about christianty.. even if were not all christians...

it will be an orgy by 3pm tomorrow afternoon

At 3/28/03 08:33 PM, HAQnSPITT wrote:

Of course it hasn't been proven. You can't prove things that happened in the past. There is however a significant amount of evidence to support both the Big Bang and Evolution.

Oh? What evidence is THIS?
I could say there's a significant amount of evidence to support Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

whats funny is, i dont see the bible as a history book, i see it as a bunch of stories that scare the shit out of us so we dont go off and do something to piss god off or else we may end up like those who were punished in the stories

oh yeah, i've been a confirmed christian for a few years now...church has really cut down on my snowboarding time during the winter

since when do schools without any religion become "normal"?

its just sad

What do you mean, "sad"? Are you suggesting there be religion taught in all schools? What about non-religious people? Why shouldn't people be able to make up their own minds? I don't see how someone can see something as "sad" just because it doesn't agree with their beliefs. Everyone has different beliefs. I don't think religion should be taught to anyone. Want to know why I think that? Because I happen to think that religion is a bunch of bullshit created to take the fear out of dying and to make sure nobody thinks too hard. Think about it. Christians rely on "faith" to guide them through life. They never stop to question things or think about the idea that they've been believing this religion all their lives just because it was taught to them. Religion is only good for starting wars and repressing thoughts that might go against normal society.

At 3/29/03 12:31 PM, KillerBorf wrote:
What do you mean, "sad"? Are you suggesting there be religion taught in all schools? What about non-religious people? Why shouldn't people be able to make up their own minds? I don't see how someone can see something as "sad" just because it doesn't agree with their beliefs. Everyone has different beliefs. I don't think religion should be taught to anyone. Want to know why I think that? Because I happen to think that religion is a bunch of bullshit created to take the fear out of dying and to make sure nobody thinks too hard. Think about it. Christians rely on "faith" to guide them through life. They never stop to question things or think about the idea that they've been believing this religion all their lives just because it was taught to them. Religion is only good for starting wars and repressing thoughts that might go against normal society.

no no no you missunderstand me!

what i find sad is not that people are able to make up their minds about religion.

what i do find sad is that not everyone is a christian and so all schools could be able to worship God.

as for "religion is bullshit" fine you can think so but trieing to tell others so is also sad and its sad that you think that and i wish you didnt but i cant think for you

oh and by the way as you think christians arent open minded, my pastor talks to us about other religions all the time and realy its not that we arent open minded its just that thats not what we believe.

cool this is my biggest topic ever! 97 posts!

At 3/29/03 12:16 PM, Baiwan_Fuong wrote:

Oh? What evidence is THIS?

Evidence for the Big Bang
-Hubble's Law
-Penzias and Wilson's discovery of universal background radiation

Evidence for Evolution
-fossil records show systematic change through time
-biological diversity around the world

i'm catholic, i go to Church every sunday, and i belive in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. i don't believe the teachings of the church in many areas. i belive in the big bang theory and evolution. i think science has the answers to all things that are able to be concieved. i think that science will, in the future, reach a point to where there is no explanation for something except for an almighty power that is bigger than all of us.

this topic is absurd

At 3/28/03 06:26 PM, Dark_Sk8er_Grrrl wrote: Hmm... I'm forced to go to a catholic school.. does that count?

aherm....is it...um...and all girls school?

i got christened does that make me christian????

I really don't know why this has turned into a debate thread.

Theory and faith are two different things. Someone (can't remember who) pointed out something very important.

You can poke holes in Christian theory. But you can't poke holes in strong, healthy faith.

You can tell me all sorts of things, but that isn't going to make me budge from my faith in Christ.

I give all of you respect for holding your opinions, especially those that have informed decisions. All I ask, as a christian, is for that same respect.

Also, please. Please, please please. I beg. Stop trying to group all Christians into one category. There are horrible, awful things done in the name of Christ.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM RIGHT.

Not all Christians are bigots or hatful assholes.

Please stop thinking of them as such.

At 3/29/03 02:41 PM, HAQnSPITT wrote:

At 3/29/03 12:16 PM, Baiwan_Fuong wrote:

Oh? What evidence is THIS?

Evidence for the Big Bang
-Hubble's Law
-Penzias and Wilson's discovery of universal background radiation

Ehh...ok...That's acceptable...

Evidence for Evolution
-fossil records show systematic change through time

hmmm...supposedly...but couldn't this also be due to Genetics?...As certain recessive genes become extinct through time...and mutations also take place...

-biological diversity around the world

Ehhh...that isn't really evidence...Evolution was supposed to explain WHY there is biological diversity...but I could easily say "God created them"... Gregor Mendel tried to use Genetics (or the earliest form of it) to explain it.

At 3/29/03 05:17 PM, Baiwan_Fuong wrote:

hmmm...supposedly...but couldn't this also be due to Genetics?...As certain recessive genes become extinct through time...and mutations also take place...

Genetic variations argue in favor of evolution, not against it.

Please read this online or ask your science teacher for a copy to read in class.

I go to a christian private school....only for the college visibility. Religion classes and forced churches suck ass.

ok i go to bethany lutheran grade-school grade 8

At 3/29/03 02:41 PM, HAQnSPITT wrote: Evidence for Evolution
-fossil records show systematic change through time
-biological diversity around the world

Fossil records do NOT show systematic change through time. Ever wonder where they get the skulls displayed between human and monkey skulls? MOLDS! PLASTER! Sorry, they don't have any. If fossils truley displayed such evolutionary change I would be a full supporter of this theory, but instead I can only scratch my head and wonder why people believe this fallacy.

Biological diversity: Does in fact exist... and this explains the theory of evolution how? Biodiversity is simply a varied amount of flora and fauna. Creationists believe this to be the work of God (which I find more believable as an artist when I paint or draw nature. There is no way its beauty can be found in the randomness of genetic mutations).

There's evidence to support the theory that tomatoes cause car accidents. Do you realize how many people who cause car accidents eat tomatoes! Science can reveal clues to how the universe works, but it's up to individuals to interpret it.

-T()MMY

I am baptist, or at least thatz what my momz sez . . . does that count? Can I join your gang of reckless homocidal homosexualz?!?!? just kidding, but I was just going to make a topic like this, until I scrolled and saw that you had foiled my planz, not to mention my BBQ. Good lookin out, holmez.

Ever notice how creationist look really unevolved?

Eye's rolled back in head, big forheads, deep southern accent...

"I believe god created me in 1 day"

haha.. yeah i don't think he spent that much time... looks like a bit of a rush job to me..

Thanks to Bill Hicks for that...

At 3/28/03 11:51 PM, tojo13 wrote: i dont belive in god

same here thats bullshit it is a mis conception used to give people a reason to live and try to live decently also you can't use the bible as evidence because it is a man made document and no on really knows how farback it really dates

3 words-I HATE GOD!! (and christ)

At 3/30/03 11:29 AM, BubbleKiller wrote: 3 words-I HATE GOD!! (and christ)

uhmm god=christ ther one in the same smae wiht the holy ghost/ sprit dependiong on what relgion thing your all up in

thats like saying i hate people and humans!

i mean if your gonna hate something atleast know about it fuck...

I'm a christian, I do christian art (mainly graphic stuff but some murals too) and i'm the leader of the praise band and the dance team. I'm not on here much cuz of odd school hours and work (and of course church which with practices is like 7 hours a week minimum) but drop me a line if ya please my email addy is (hope this isn't against any rules) certified_grits@yahoo.com

catholic conservatives suck fuck the church fuck the bible

At 3/29/03 02:41 PM, HAQnSPITT wrote:

At 3/29/03 12:16 PM, Baiwan_Fuong wrote:

Oh? What evidence is THIS?

Evidence for the Big Bang
-Hubble's Law
-Penzias and Wilson's discovery of universal background radiation

Ok i think you stated these just cause you figured no one knew what they were enough to dispute them, it's a good tactic because it's tough to explain them as either right or wrong, but we both know they (like christianity i suppose) are merely theories with out much support so... it's still a matter of faith

A. It can't be both pick big bang or evolution i don't feel like arguing both

Evidence for Evolution
-fossil records show systematic change through time

B. Fossil records show some slight genetic adaptation but not evolution if creatures did evolve there would be transitional fossils and if evolution occurs naturally why are we not still evolving? Why did half the monkeys turn into humans and half not and then no more monkeys changed period... let me guess they were friends with the teenage mutant ninja turtles.

C. This explains nothing...

-biological diversity around the world

D. This isn't a debate no one attacked you NOT being a christian so why get defensive? It's silly

E.No one can prove their right and no one can prove anyone else is wrong so why argue?

*DISCLAIMER
(and not a disclaimer to anyone in particular no less)

I am going ahead and writing this now. I do not mean to offend anyone reading this, by stating my opinion just like you have the right to do i am not trying to fight with you and i am not trying to say i am smarter than you. Thank you in advance for not harrassing me because i chose to disagree with you. I DO NOT WISH TO INCUR YOUR WRATH YOU NAZI !!!! I will peacefully state my opinion but if you attack me i probably wont dignify you with a response.

im a christian but im not catholic or babtist. i go to church of christ in golden valley az.

P.S.

Please show me a car that has no maker
or a piece of art with no artist
or a building with no designer

P.P.S.

Take 1000 monkeys and 1000 typewriters and put them in a room together and throw every page they type into the sea when one of them ACCIDENTLY types a nice complex work of shakesphere word perfect, then come talk to me. That's about how slim a shot the big bang theory has.

have anyone ever noticed how evelutionists or science theories are eventually disproven over time. or how they have a whole bunch of theories then put them in science books and say that they are fact. they once dated 2 tusks from the same animal, one dated back 7000 years and the other one was 2100 that makes you think how many times they could be wrong. and as far as the big bang goes, i dont see all of this going into a microscopic dot. like my friends science teacher said,"what we could be learning in science today can be absolutely false tomorrow".