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At 3/28/03 07:05 PM, EmeraldTokyo wrote: I'm a Christian. However, my views are totally different from that of any normal Christian. I would be burned at the stake if these were those kind of days. In fact my views are so different, not many people would understand it, not just the majority of the Christian population. LOL!

Anyway. Most people who are Atheist usually think that all Christians are bad and that they all push their views on others. Basically bashing a Christian for being a Christian and thinking they are all bible thumping, concert protesting, close minded people.

Which makes those people just as close minded. I kind of get annoyed at the Christians who do act that way, because they're giving people like me a bad name. Sometimes, I feel ashamed calling myself a Christian because the term now doesn't mean what it should. People hear "Christian" and think that they're going to hear some lecture on God or Moral.

However, I get annoyed with anyone else who is close minded and set in their own ways. I'm always open for discussion. Others should be too.

Don't get me wrong about what i said... Some of my best friends have been total 'bible bashers' sorry for the term.. but its apropriate... and they were great.. and they are what i would call a real christian. You could see how there belief actually did give them strength, and thats what it is all about. Belief. As i said all religions are either correct or wrong.. its just that the majority of christians today are not true.

Espeacially with all those bible programs... send us your money and you'll go to heaven.

At 3/28/03 07:09 PM, FatCatScandal wrote: Don't get me wrong about what i said... Some of my best friends have been total 'bible bashers' sorry for the term.. but its apropriate... and they were great.. and they are what i would call a real christian. You could see how there belief actually did give them strength, and thats what it is all about. Belief. As i said all religions are either correct or wrong.. its just that the majority of christians today are not true.

Espeacially with all those bible programs... send us your money and you'll go to heaven.

Those programs are for people with no real faith who are desperate for something to believe in. They are so desperate, they send thier hard earned money to those fools.

I don't think the bible thumpers are great if they remain close minded and un-=open to others views. My views would no be what they are today if I had remained like that. Close minded and thinking that only I was right. I don't shove my views on others. They can accept them or not. Their choice. Hopefully people will at least listen to my views, and then gain something from them if they agree or not.

At 3/28/03 07:16 PM, EmeraldTokyo wrote: Those programs are for people with no real faith who are desperate for something to believe in. They are so desperate, they send thier hard earned money to those fools.

I don't think the bible thumpers are great if they remain close minded and un-=open to others views. My views would no be what they are today if I had remained like that. Close minded and thinking that only I was right. I don't shove my views on others. They can accept them or not. Their choice. Hopefully people will at least listen to my views, and then gain something from them if they agree or not.

Thats the thing tho.. christianity being a young religion at 2003 years old, is closed minded because that is what society has made of it. and the new testiment.. you believe the bible is the exact word of god... and then you change it...

I THINK WHAT GOD MEANT TO SAY WAS...

I agree with some of the key fundemental things of christianty.. and they are pretty much the same in most religions.. therefor thats why i believe all religions are correct in there own way.. its just that god apeared to the people in differant ways because otherwise that society wouldn't accept him because it was too differant from what they know..

but i'm a pagan.. so what do i know right?

Eh. Religion is not for me.

666 is the number of the beast, it's even said in the bible, I believe Revelations..wait, maybe the 666 in his name is just 999 upside down? Hyuk!

I'm Christian. :) And I agree 100% with what EmeraldTokyo has said.

I'm looked down upon by my 'fellow Christians' because I refuse to depend on a church for my faith, and I won't look to the bible before I look to my God. I will not shove my religion down anyone's throat, I've studied a lot of other religions, been very pagan, and I refuse to impose myself on others.

The 'Christians' that think they're on earth to judge others and force them to believe are the ones that have made the word 'Christianity' an obscenity.

If you're my friend, I'll pray for you. If you're my enemy...well. I'll pray for you, but I don't have to like you. *lol* If you're curious, I'll tell you everything I believe. But you won't ever see me standing on the corner handing out Chick Tracts and selling my faith. Sorry, but no.

{{{{everyone}}}}

It doesn't matter what you believe. The only thing that matters is respecting everyone's right to their faith.

I'm not Christian, nor Catholic nor Lutheran...

But alas, I'm Jehovah's Witness.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH *cough*

At 3/28/03 07:58 PM, digimonsucksass wrote: I'm not Christian, nor Catholic nor Lutheran...

But alas, I'm Jehovah's Witness.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH *cough*

Then you're a christian!

Oh by the way...I'm NOT American...nor Californian, nor Wisconsonian...I'm a RHODE ISLANDER!!!

At 3/28/03 06:32 PM, Tool_Of_The_System wrote: My family is Christian, but I believe in nothing of the religion. And some people who are christian pressure and hate all those who aren't (it happens with the teachers in my school).

AGRESSIVE EVANGELISTS SUCK!!!...So do those horny Catholic priests that rapwe children...I'm a protestant...I think the Catholic church values it'as priests WAY too much...I mean...you have to go to one for God to forgive you...WHY THE HELL WOULD AN ALL POWERFUL BEING NEED A RAPIST IN A BLACK SILK ROBE TO FORGIVE YOU IF HE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING YOU SAY AND IS AWARE OF YOUR INTENTIONS?

...oh well...

At 3/28/03 06:36 PM, Ps2_Lover_666 wrote:

since when do schools without any religion become "normal"?

Since the seperation of church and state.
Since the state pays for public education, it's expressly nonsecular.
To teach any given dogmatic belief would be prejudical to any other set of dogmatic belief (or non-religious belief, such as athiesm).
To teach students about all religions would be nigh-impossible.

I´m a catholic,born of a religious fanatic.I´m not THAT much of a good christian,but I stand by my religion when it´s attacked.

And I think atheists suck because they have no beliefs in anything greater than they and thus have no faith,and he who lives without faith has no hope.

At 3/28/03 08:16 PM, agustinaldo wrote: I´m a catholic,born of a religious fanatic.I´m not THAT much of a good christian,but I stand by my religion when it´s attacked.

And I think atheists suck because they have no beliefs in anything greater than they and thus have no faith,and he who lives without faith has no hope.

Actually...theyt DO haave to have a faith...after all...Neither the BIG BANG theory NOR Evolution have been proven and CARBON DATING has been PROVEN to be flawed!

Anyway. Most people who are Atheist usually think that all Christians are bad and that they all push their views on others. Basically bashing a Christian for being a Christian and thinking they are all bible thumping, concert protesting, close minded people.

That's a sweeping generalization about Athiests, first and formost. It's a prejudical statement.
Athiests, by their very nature, don't believe in God.
How could they push something on someone else if they have nothing to push?
I have nothing against Christians, and I'm an athiest.
However, I do have something against arguements not based on objective reasoning.

Peep this:
Person A is a Roman Catholic.
Priest B says, "Homosexuals are bad people, who live in sin. Homosexuals will burn in hell. In the eyes of God, such acts are deviant, sinful behavior. Perhaps we can 'cure' them. Perhaps not. Until then, shun homosexuals, be intolerent of and admonish homosexuality."

Now, either Person A does what his church leader, the voice of his God, says to do, or he doesn't.
Person A is either a Good follower of his faith, who is xenophobic, and by dogma, intolerent of other groups, or Person A is a bad Catholic, and is only paying lip service to his/her God.

Which makes those people just as close minded.

I've never heard of a group of athiests rising up and killing Christians, or a disgruntled Athiest extremist killing a doctor for performing an abortion, or an Athiest preventing Christians from being Christian.

At 3/28/03 08:21 PM, Baiwan_Fuong wrote:

Actually...theyt DO haave to have a faith...after all...Neither the BIG BANG theory NOR Evolution have been proven and CARBON DATING has been PROVEN to be flawed!

Of course it hasn't been proven. You can't prove things that happened in the past. There is however a significant amount of evidence to support both the Big Bang and Evolution.

At 3/28/03 08:16 PM, agustinaldo wrote:

:And I think atheists suck

Yay! I suck.

:because they have no beliefs in anything greater than they

What follows is my opinion, as an individual. I, in no way, speak for any group or system of beliefs. I take full responsibility for what I, myself, have to say, and should be judged by the indivdual accordingly.

Athiests believe in themselves. They exhalt humanity and the whole of the human condition above all else. Athiests show bravery for being in the vast minority, by choice. They deal with the opressive status quo hypocricy of the chruch, and constantly fight against sweeping generalizations and for civil liberties. If the church had their druthers, science would have never progressed. The earth would be the center of the universe. We'd still be in the Dark Ages were it not for the free thinkers. The genius of the Renissance, perhaps the greatest era known to mankind, was a movement away from faith in god, not towards it. We have religion to thank for the tortures of the Inquisition, the brutality of the Salem witch trials, and the blood-wars fought for the Crusades. And Athiests-- science, technology, progress.

How many people have died in the name "of God"?
And, in death, Athiests show bravery by acknowledging their own finality. An cessation of consciousness. An absolute end of oblivion.

:and thus have no faith,and he who lives without faith has no hope.

I'm an athiest and I have all the faith in the world:
in me.

At 3/28/03 08:21 PM, Baiwan_Fuong wrote:

At 3/28/03 08:16 PM, agustinaldo wrote: I´m a catholic,born of a religious fanatic.I´m not THAT much of a good christian,but I stand by my religion when it´s attacked.

And I think atheists suck because they have no beliefs in anything greater than they and thus have no faith,and he who lives without faith has no hope.

Actually...theyt DO haave to have a faith...after all...Neither the BIG BANG theory NOR Evolution have been proven and CARBON DATING has been PROVEN to be flawed!

Right.. one word for you... DINASOUR... god put them there to fuck with you? to test your faith? What kinda fucker does that to his people...

saying that if i was a god i would probably get bored and create a species as pathetic as the human race for my amusment too..

At 3/28/03 08:38 PM, Ravanos wrote:

At 3/28/03 08:16 PM, agustinaldo wrote: And I think atheists suck

Yay! I suck.

because they have no beliefs in anything greater than they

What follows is my opinion, as an individual. I, in no way, speak for any group or system of beliefs. I take full responsibility for what I, myself, have to say, and should be judged by the indivdual accordingly.

Athiests believe in themselves. They exhalt humanity and the whole of the human condition above all else. Athiests show bravery for being in the vast minority, by choice. They deal with the opressive status quo hypocricy of the chruch, and constantly fight against sweeping generalizations and for civil liberties. If the church had their druthers, science would have never progressed. The earth would be the center of the universe. We'd still be in the Dark Ages were it not for the free thinkers. The genius of the Renissance, perhaps the greatest era known to mankind, was a movement away from faith in god, not towards it. We have religion to thank for the tortures of the Inquisition, the brutality of the Salem witch trials, and the blood-wars fought for the Crusades. And Athiests-- science, technology, progress.

How many people have died in the name "of God"?
And, in death, Athiests show bravery by acknowledging their own finality. An cessation of consciousness. An absolute end of oblivion.

and thus have no faith,and he who lives without faith has no hope.

I'm an athiest and I have all the faith in the world:
in me.

basically what being a pagan is atually... serious about that.. and it makes sense.. when i first read about wicca and shamanism ans tuff like that it was like.. wow i've been saying this shit all my life.. doing this stuff all my life. this is what i've been doing.. wow... I still don't know what i am specifically.. but i am searching for the truth.. and one day.. i will find it.. because i think i know how.. it's just a long astral journey.

Also I agree with everything you said.. i was an atheiest for a long time.. and i still agree with what you said. I'm a thinker myself... but technology dulls the mind. I'd like to live a long time ago when people actually did stuff. Or way into the future when everythings free, and we have teleportation devices, and.. what are those things that materialise everything you want....

At 3/28/03 08:48 PM, FatCatScandal wrote: Also I agree with everything you said.. i was an atheiest for a long time.. and i still agree with what you said. I'm a thinker myself... but technology dulls the mind. I'd like to live a long time ago when people actually did stuff. Or way into the future when everythings free, and we have teleportation devices, and.. what are those things that materialise everything you want....

As a general rule, and in my experiences, I tend to get on well with the philosophical aspect of Paganism most of the time.

Pagans I know really don't shove their religion down other people throats, take responsibility for their actions, or use their religion as a platform for politics and justifications for crimes.

There are still places that you can go where daily toil and labor in natural atmospheres are the norm, you know.

At 3/28/03 08:58 PM, Ravanos wrote:

Pagans I know really don't shove their religion down other people throats, take responsibility for their actions, or use their religion as a platform for politics and justifications for crimes.

Sorry was i shoving it down someones throat? If i was i didn't mean to.. i was just giving a little perspective on the subject. And your right.. they don't shove it down anyones throat becuase they believe in choice, and not one pagan religion denys the other.. they were there before most of todays religions.. you know some people even regard hinduism as a pagan religion.. i've always liked reading about it, and agree with many of there phylosphys.. My shaman friend, said that he doesn't know what i am but i am not a wiccan.. I used to think i was a wiccan/druid.. but now.. i'm not sure.. like i said.. im still searching..but i am alot happyer now :)

At 3/28/03 09:13 PM, FatCatScandal wrote: Sorry was i shoving it down someones throat?

No, no... I was saying that Pagans I know. I don't want to make a sweeping claim about akll Pagans.

At 3/28/03 09:13 PM, FatCatScandal wrote:

:If i was i didn't mean to.. i was just giving a little perspective on the subject.

And it's appreciated!

At 3/28/03 09:13 PM, FatCatScandal wrote:

:And your right.. they don't shove it down anyones throat becuase they believe in choice, and not one pagan religion denys the other.. they were there before most of todays religions..

Judeo-Christianity tried to corner the market with "Thou shalt not have any strange Gods before me." Good Judeo-Christians, by the Ten Commandments, are intolerent.

At 3/28/03 09:13 PM, FatCatScandal wrote:

:you know some people even regard hinduism as a pagan religion..

Well, by definition Brahmanism (the Hindu faith) is polythiestic, and therefore is, in fact, a pagan religion. I believe it's in the top three most popular religions in the world.

At 3/28/03 06:58 PM, JuanManda wrote:
I've been told that 666 doesnt represent the devil, it had something to do with Nero, the emperor of Rome. I can't remember exactly, i'll look it up.

the bible says that the names of those who rise against god, their name is a number which is the same as his,666

if i can remember my book of revelations

At 3/28/03 06:59 PM, FatCatScandal wrote: I can't stand what christianity has come to stand for.. people don't believe in god.. they fear him, thats not how it should be.. your god is supposed to be all loving and all forgiving, yet there is hell that you get sent to if you fuck up.
I believe that if you live your life well, and be a good person, then whichever religion is correct you will be forgiven for being blind. But then again i believe that either All religions are correct, or none are.. because they all have the same priciples.. its just Gods way of teaching the people of that enviroment... its all.. oh whats the word... culteral? Maybe.. can't think too stoned.

you follow the words of crappy movies you think that stateing this makes you stand out but realy it groups you into the people that go to hell.

At 3/28/03 07:05 PM, EmeraldTokyo wrote: I'm a Christian. However, my views are totally different from that of any normal Christian. I would be burned at the stake if these were those kind of days. In fact my views are so different, not many people would understand it, not just the majority of the Christian population.
Anyway. Most people who are Atheist usually think that all Christians are bad and that they all push their views on others. Basically bashing a Christian for being a Christian and thinking they are all bible thumping, concert protesting, close minded people.
Which makes those people just as close minded. Sometimes, I feel ashamed calling myself a Christian because the term now doesn't mean what it should. People hear "Christian" and think that they're going to hear some lecture on God or Moral.

Right ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you mean not christian by most standards? you sound like a verry cool one! and say exactly what i think!

the things you say are things i think about everyday and why i didnt say....

You Queer Youre Wrong being gay is a sin in an old topic (which it is a documented in the bible)

P.S. anyone not shure e-mail me and i will give you a referance and you can look it up by youreselves

I'm Southern Baptist. In fact im the oldest son of a pastor.

At 3/28/03 09:44 PM, Stuporman wrote:

At 3/28/03 09:27 PM, Ps2_Lover_666 wrote: the bible says that the names of those who rise against god, their name is a number which is the same as his,666

According to Revelations, The antichrist who will supposedly rule the world is symbolically known as 'The Beast'. Apparently he will impose economic sanctions on the world, such that anyone who does not accept and bear 'the mark of The Beast' on their forehead or right hand wil not be allowed to buy, sell, or trade anything.

OMG holy cow john stated our current currency! a penny!
revalation 6:6! how could someone from the year like 50 know that?!?!?! hmmmm makes you wonder.....lol

anyeway i looked for a good 15 min and cant find the 666 passage.... where is it?

I am.

ah yes, protestant, not catholic.

At 3/28/03 09:32 PM, Ps2_Lover_666 wrote:

At 3/28/03 06:59 PM, FatCatScandal wrote: I can't stand what christianity has come to stand for.. people don't believe in god.. they fear him, thats not how it should be.. your god is supposed to be all loving and all forgiving, yet there is hell that you get sent to if you fuck up.
I believe that if you live your life well, and be a good person, then whichever religion is correct you will be forgiven for being blind. But then again i believe that either All religions are correct, or none are.. because they all have the same priciples.. its just Gods way of teaching the people of that enviroment... its all.. oh whats the word... culteral? Maybe.. can't think too stoned.

you follow the words of crappy movies you think that stateing this makes you stand out but realy it groups you into the people that go to hell.

How arrogant of you.. i am a good person... No ones perfect... but i am a good person.. yet you say i am going to hell for what? Following movies? What's that about... my opinions are my own from all the information i have gathered over the years..i have actually gone in depth to lots of religions and also read alot of phylosophy

See this is why i can't take most christians.. there so single minded.. close minded.. and think that there better than everyone else who isn't a christian..

I am not going to hell because it isn't there.. not in my mind.. but as it's in yours.. maybe thats where your headed.