are you a republican or a democrat

[Sir-Fobos]

i was really bored and i noticed that most of the posts have something to do with democrats/liberals. so i began to wonder if there are sny republican/conservatives on newgrounds. so all you have to do is say wether you are a republican or a democrat. ill start:

republican

[cellardoor6]

At 11/1/06 06:30 PM, mojoman89447 wrote: i was really bored and i noticed that most of the posts have something to do with democrats/liberals. so i began to wonder if there are sny republican/conservatives on newgrounds. so all you have to do is say wether you are a republican or a democrat. ill start:

republican

I'm neither.

I do tend to favor Republican/conservative views for the most part though. I am socially (marriage rights, abortion so forth) a liberal, yet economically and idealogically I am a conservative...if that makes any sense...

[cellardoor6]

At 11/1/06 06:45 PM, mofomojo wrote: Hooey! Letting your party and your television dictate what you think to you!!! I love America!

America, is without a doubt, the most intelligent and greatest nation on earth and each individual, undoubtedly, has the ability to make decisions and articulations.

OMG shut the fuck up you imbecile. Partisan politics are evident in every Democratic country. Most Americans DON'T belong to a political party, many Americans basically don't give a fuck and don't vote because they dislike the political system.

Go to any other Democratic country who has political parties and you will find the same thing.

Get a clue.

[Sir-Fobos]

At 11/1/06 06:45 PM, mofomojo wrote: Hooey! Letting your party and your television dictate what you think to you!!! I love America!

America, is without a doubt, the most intelligent and greatest nation on earth and each individual, undoubtedly, has the ability to make decisions and articulations.

i dont let anyone tell me what to think, and i completely agree with you, but im just saying that 90% of the time i agree with the republicans on any givin issue, and occasionaly i agree with the democrats. so i would say that im a republican. i just wanted to know if i was the only republican on newgrounds

[JakeHero]

I am a proud republican. And that, gentlemen, is something you can take to the bank.

[Oblivia]

I am a Blood & Iron Libretarion Confederate of the State of Jefferson.

In short: Very conservitive

[ImmoralLibertarian]

Oh wow, this must the most original topic in this forum’s history.

[MegalomaniacVirus]

I'm a classic liberal aka libertarian.

The republicans try to act like they want small government but just look at the Bush administration.

[IllustriousPotentate]

I grew up Democrat, switched to Republican around 2002, but over the past two years I've been Libertarian, after getting fed up with the current Congress's spending spree.

Unfortunately, while there are a lot of libertarians out there, most of them pigeonhole themselves into voting Republican or Democrat, because of fear of "wasting their vote"--even though a vote cast in accordance with one's true political beliefs is never wasted, whereas those cast as clothespin votes usually are.

At 11/1/06 08:10 PM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote: Oh wow, this must the most original topic in this forum’s history.

Actually it's not quite as common as some other topics (i.e. Bush, Iraq, abortion, God, etc.), and since there's no place for it in our profile, I think it's a valid question, especially this close to the elections.

If you really can't be bothered to post your party affiliation, then there's no reason for you to post here just to complain. If you have a problem with a topic, don't post in it.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 11/1/06 09:54 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Actually it's not quite as common as some other topics (i.e. Bush, Iraq, abortion, God, etc.), and since there's no place for it in our profile, I think it's a valid question, especially this close to the elections.

Yes, but each of those topics have a slightly different viewpoint or information. This is simple a question that doesn't change over time. The topic starter should of searched and added his vote to the numerous other Republican or Democrat topics.

If you really can't be bothered to post your party affiliation, then there's no reason for you to post here just to complain. If you have a problem with a topic, don't post in it.

Well, seeing as I’m not a US citizen, I thought it would be kind of irrelevant. But for the record if I was, I would vote libertarian….here in the UK I have voted tactically a few times…but I believe that in such a strict two party system like the US, it is more important to vote for who you truly want, instead of simply voting Democrats to stop the Republicans getting in, or vis-versa.

[troubles1]

For the most part I am a republican, but I do agree with many liberal ideals. , and I would like to ADD that with the amount of technology and ability to actually count the individual vote, I am definitely in favor of changing, our system from the electoral collage to a system were the popular vote would be the deciding factor..

[Joodah]

i am a libertarian, so when i get to vote, i'm going to have to vote republican to get my views represented.

[Jose]

Economically, I'm a corporatist liberal.
Socially, it depends on the subject.

I would say politically, my views are closest to Bill Clinton or John McCain.

[cellardoor6]

At 11/1/06 11:41 PM, Jose wrote: Economically, I'm a corporatist liberal.

Can you say "oxymoron " ? That makes no sense there buddy.

I would say politically, my views are closest to Bill Clinton or John McCain.

That is also an oxymoron. Bill Clinton may be a moderate Democrat, and John McCain an moderate Republica. But they differ greatly on political issues.

Thats like saying "My views are closest to Iran (Shiite Radicalism) or Israel (Zionism)"

[bradford1]

At 11/2/06 12:13 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 11/1/06 11:41 PM, Jose wrote: Economically, I'm a corporatist liberal.

Can you say "oxymoron " ? That makes no sense there buddy.

http://tmh.floonet.n..ticles/strombrg.html
Yes it does.

I would say politically, my views are closest to Bill Clinton or John McCain.

That is also an oxymoron. Bill Clinton may be a moderate Democrat, and John McCain an moderate Republica. But they differ greatly on political issues.

I see what you mean, but you're assuming that mainstream American parties are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, which isn't true. Taking all politics into consideration, the Democratic and Republican parties are two heads of the same coin.

Thats like saying "My views are closest to Iran (Shiite Radicalism) or Israel (Zionism)"

No, not really. If Iran was controlled by Zionists, it would be backwards by Iranian standards. If America was controlled by Democrats, it would be different but not by nearly as much.

[Jose]

At 11/2/06 12:13 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 11/1/06 11:41 PM, Jose wrote: Economically, I'm a corporatist liberal.

Can you say "oxymoron " ? That makes no sense there buddy.

LOL, you don't know jack shit about economics.

I would say politically, my views are closest to Bill Clinton or John McCain.

That is also an oxymoron. Bill Clinton may be a moderate Democrat, and John McCain an moderate Republica. But they differ greatly on political issues.

If you look at the way McCain votes, you'd think that he was a neo-liberal. He supports stem cell research, He once fought against funding the construction of a new aircraft carrier, saying the money should be spent on the 12,000 enlisted families who were on food stamps, McCain has criticized conservatives like Rush Limbaugh for not supporting more lenient immigration laws, hell, he is also very good friends with john kerry.

I could go on and on about how McCain is a left leaning republican and how Bill Clinton is a right leaning democrat. But everything is so black/white, left/right with you.

Thats like saying "My views are closest to Iran (Shiite Radicalism) or Israel (Zionism)"

Yes, because there is that much difference on the political spectrum in America.
LAWL.

Quit talking out of your ass cellardoor.

[Memorize]

Economically: Conservative (true conservative-Reduce Spending. No affirmative Action. No Monopolies ect..)

Socially: Conservative (I don't care if you're a homosexual. But on other things like abortion... yeah, i'm conservative socially because I believe people should have this little thing called Personal Responsibility ; oo, I must have had some liberal jump out of his seat in anger with "responsibility").

[Jose]

At 11/2/06 12:39 AM, Integrity wrote: Economically: Conservative (true conservative-Reduce Spending. No affirmative Action. No Monopolies ect..)

I take it you aren't for reganomics then? We haven't seen a true conservative reduce spending government for decades.

Socially: Conservative (I don't care if you're a homosexual. But on other things like abortion... yeah, i'm conservative socially because I believe people should have this little thing called Personal Responsibility ; oo, I must have had some liberal jump out of his seat in anger with "responsibility").

I'm all for personal responsibility, but are you always against abortion? Rape, incest, and all that jazz included?
A Liberals and Conservatives both practice responsibility, but through different ways. I would say in a liberal point of view for abortion "is it morally responsible to bring an unwanted child into a world that won't love it?"

[dySWN]

I'm a conservative first and foremost. I'm a Republican, but I think we need to get back to our Reagan-style small government roots.

[Tancrisism]

I'm not a fan of political parties.

[Enders-Army]

Hi guys. umm... not to be rash or anything but do any of you really know what it is to be a Republican or a Democrat? Cause I sure don't. Don't you think its weird that people would purposefully say that they are part of something that has so many assumptions nailed to it already. I mean, if your a republican, then of course your in support of closing our borders, tax cuts, and keeping our second amendment rights. And if your a democrat, then of course your in support of protecting the environment, a womens right to choose, and keeping jobs in america. Now before you bite my head off, I was kidding with all of those. Those could all be totally wrong. I don't know what makes a republican or a democrat. which is my point. Does anyone? Truely? Why cant you just call your self a person? A citizen? And when it comes time to vote for our elected officials that run our government, (which the government has so cleverly divided into two large parties and various other parties), vote for the party that best suits your interests. Whether it be republican one year, and democrat the next. Why must we repeatedly fuss over whos republican or democrat, as if by telling us that, we somehow already know what that means? I just find it odd.

[TheMason]

Recovering Republican...looking for a new party...leaning libertarian...

My political compass:
Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[cellardoor6]

At 11/2/06 12:38 AM, Jose wrote:

At 11/2/06 12:13 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 11/1/06 11:41 PM, Jose wrote: Economically, I'm a corporatist liberal.

Can you say "oxymoron " ? That makes no sense there buddy.

LOL, you don't know jack shit about economics.

You don't know jack shit about ANYTHING. You've been disproven so many times in debates I'm surprised you haven't changed your screenname yet out of embarrassment. I took economics 101, 120 and Business tech 110 in my first year of college, what educational credentials do YOU have?

I would say politically, my views are closest to Bill Clinton or John McCain.

That is also an oxymoron. Bill Clinton may be a moderate Democrat, and John McCain an moderate Republica. But they differ greatly on political issues.

If you look at the way McCain votes, you'd think that he was a neo-liberal. He supports stem cell research,

God damn you just love to show that you don't know what you're talking about. John McCain is against EMBRYONIC stem cell research yet supports other methods of extracting stem cells that don't involve killing innocent unborn children. Almost all Republicans are the same way.

Republicans for the most part support stem-cell research, but they don't support the method the Democrats want to use to attain stem cells (i.e. paying pregnant women to abort their unborn children for research).

He once fought against funding the construction of a new aircraft carrier

Big deal. That was one issue. He still is very much more pro-military spending than any Democrat.

McCain has criticized conservatives like Rush Limbaugh for not supporting more lenient immigration laws, hell, he is also very good friends with john kerry.

Yes and Cindy Sheehan is good friends with Hugo Chavez. Friendship doesn't mean jack shit. I have friends who wish the US was communist, does that make me a communist? Fuck no.

I could go on and on about how McCain is a left leaning republican and how Bill Clinton is a right leaning democrat. But everything is so black/white, left/right with you.

John Mccain is in no way left leaning. He is left of most Republicans, but he is not left of center at all. He is pro-life, pro-Iraq war, anti-Gay marriage, anti-embryonic stem cell research, pro-tax cuts, pro-patriot act, pro-domestic surveillance, pro-gun rights and has only opposed a few military spending programs, while supporting dozens of other military budget hikes.

John Mccain is by no means a left winger, but hes not as militant as some of the right-winger sin congress.

But thats what I like about him. He doesn't give a fuck what either political party thinks.

But it is ridiculous to suggest he is similar in policy to Bill clinton who is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control, pro-embryonic stem cell research, pro-tax increase, anti-Iraq war, anti-patriot act, and who cut US military spending in half during his presidency even after the US was attacked 4 times overseas during his presidency.

John Mccain and Bill Clinton are both charismatic people, but they are not similar politically.

Jose, you're out of your mind. Sorry to break it to you but you really are. I'll pray for your misguided soul.

[Jose]

At 11/2/06 01:13 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 11/2/06 12:38 AM, Jose wrote:

At 11/2/06 12:13 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 11/1/06 11:41 PM, Jose wrote: Economically, I'm a corporatist liberal.

Can you say "oxymoron " ? That makes no sense there buddy.

LOL, you don't know jack shit about economics.

You don't know jack shit about ANYTHING. You've been disproven so many times in debates I'm surprised you haven't changed your screenname yet out of embarrassment. I took economics 101, 120 and Business tech 110 in my first year of college, what educational credentials do YOU have?

Yet you still don't have a fucking clue what fiscal corporatism is. Did you even pass these classes. Just face it, you fucked up. Salvage your dignity.

I would say politically, my views are closest to Bill Clinton or John McCain.

That is also an oxymoron. Bill Clinton may be a moderate Democrat, and John McCain an moderate Republica. But they differ greatly on political issues.

If you look at the way McCain votes, you'd think that he was a neo-liberal. He supports stem cell research,

God damn you just love to show that you don't know what you're talking about. John McCain is against EMBRYONIC stem cell research yet supports other methods of extracting stem cells that don't involve killing innocent unborn children. Almost all Republicans are the same way.

Yes, because using discarded embryos from fertility labs is murder. Embryonic stem cell research is not the same thing as baby harvest.

Republicans for the most part support stem-cell research, but they don't support the method the Democrats want to use to attain stem cells (i.e. paying pregnant women to abort their unborn children for research).

Yes, because all democrats support baby harvesting. You love to shit fling at the democratic party, when you know absolutely nothing about it.

He once fought against funding the construction of a new aircraft carrier

Big deal. That was one issue. He still is very much more pro-military spending than any Democrat.

I love how you removed the part about him proposing the money to support food stamps for poor families.

McCain has criticized conservatives like Rush Limbaugh for not supporting more lenient immigration laws, hell, he is also very good friends with john kerry.

Yes and Cindy Sheehan is good friends with Hugo Chavez. Friendship doesn't mean jack shit. I have friends who wish the US was communist, does that make me a communist? Fuck no.

And you ignore how he is harrassed by his own party for being too liberal. You only use the facts that support your extremist arguements.

I could go on and on about how McCain is a left leaning republican and how Bill Clinton is a right leaning democrat. But everything is so black/white, left/right with you.

John Mccain is in no way left leaning. He is left of most Republicans, but he is not left of center at all. He is pro-life, pro-Iraq war, anti-Gay marriage, anti-embryonic stem cell research, pro-tax cuts, pro-patriot act, pro-domestic surveillance, pro-gun rights and has only opposed a few military spending programs, while supporting dozens of other military budget hikes.

Yet he butts heads with his own party about social issues all the time. Even look at the torture bill that just went though.

John Mccain is by no means a left winger, but hes not as militant as some of the right-winger sin congress.

I wasn't implying that McCain was a democrat, but he is a left leaning conservative I.E Centrist, moderate, middle of the road.

But thats what I like about him. He doesn't give a fuck what either political party thinks.

But it is ridiculous to suggest he is similar in policy to Bill clinton who is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control, pro-embryonic stem cell research, pro-tax increase, anti-Iraq war, anti-patriot act, and who cut US military spending in half during his presidency even after the US was attacked 4 times overseas during his presidency.

Few thing, McCain is for embryonic stem cell research. Big difference between that and baby harvesting. Second, Clinton reduced military spending because there was no great need for soldiers during his presidency. We were involved in mostly peace keeping mission is serbia and other war torn countries. Now, compare that with the current administration with occupying two countries in the middle east. I don't blame clinton for the cut on spending. Why use soldiers when you don't need them?

John Mccain and Bill Clinton are both charismatic people, but they are not similar politically.

They are both centrists. Yes, they do vary a little bit on their policy, but overall, they are very close to the middle.

Jose, you're out of your mind. Sorry to break it to you but you really are. I'll pray for your misguided soul.

CRAZY LIKE A FOX.
PRAY FOR GOD TO SPITE THE GODLESS LIBERAL.

>XD.

[cellardoor6]

At 11/2/06 01:44 AM, Jose wrote:

At 11/2/06 01:13 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 11/2/06 12:38 AM, Jose wrote:

Economically, I'm a corporatist liberal.

You don't know jack shit about ANYTHING. You've been disproven so many times in debates I'm surprised you haven't changed your screenname yet out of embarrassment. I took economics 101, 120 and Business tech 110 in my first year of college, what educational credentials do YOU have?

Yet you still don't have a fucking clue what fiscal corporatism is. Did you even pass these classes. Just face it, you fucked up. Salvage your dignity.

First of all, you said you were a "liberal corporatist". Now you're spouting out "fiscal corporatism"...

You're just making up bullshit again. Then you have to steal my line "salvage your dignity". Man you're a dumbfuck.

I would say politically, my views are closest to Bill Clinton or John McCain.

That is also an oxymoron. Bill Clinton may be a moderate Democrat, and John McCain an moderate Republica. But they differ greatly on political issues.

If you look at the way McCain votes, you'd think that he was a neo-liberal. He supports stem cell research,

God damn you just love to show that you don't know what you're talking about. John McCain is against EMBRYONIC stem cell research yet supports other methods of extracting stem cells that don't involve killing innocent unborn children. Almost all Republicans are the same way.

Yes, because using discarded embryos from fertility labs is murder. Embryonic stem cell research is not the same thing as baby harvest.

Why are you arguing the ethics of embryonic stem cell research? Thats not what we're talking about!

YOU SAID that "McCain supports stem-cell research" as if that aligns him with Bill Clinton politically. I showed that it DOESN'T and now you have to start debating the morality of embryonic stem cell research?

Are you aware of how utterly pathetic you are?

Republicans for the most part support stem-cell research, but they don't support the method the Democrats want to use to attain stem cells (i.e. paying pregnant women to abort their unborn children for research).

Yes, because all democrats support baby harvesting. You love to shit fling at the democratic party, when you know absolutely nothing about it.

Once again, what a wonderful way of changing the context of the topic when you lose. I wasn't criticizing Democrats, I was just revealing the differences between John McCains support of stem cell research and Bill Clintons support of stem cell research. Clinton was for embryonic, McCain IS NOT. And John McCain is certainly not "neo-liberal" in that issue like you said he is.

He once fought against funding the construction of a new aircraft carrier

Big deal. That was one issue. He still is very much more pro-military spending than any Democrat.

I love how you removed the part about him proposing the money to support food stamps for poor families.

Dude, you're really just embarrassing yourself. I did that because it wasn't expedient to the argument. You were suggesting he was liberal because he opposed the procurement of an aircraft carier, but the bigger issue is the support of military spending programs. Which John McCain as supported almost every single time, making him conservative, not like Clinton, and certainly not "neo-liberal".

And you ignore how he is harrassed by his own party for being too liberal. You only use the facts that support your extremist arguements.

What you just said fortifies my argument! Thanks making this even easier to own you.

I could go on and on about how McCain is a left leaning republican and how Bill Clinton is a right leaning democrat. But everything is so black/white, left/right with you.

John Mccain is in no way left leaning. He is left of most Republicans, but he is not left of center at all. He is pro-life, pro-Iraq war, anti-Gay marriage, anti-embryonic stem cell research, pro-tax cuts, pro-patriot act, pro-domestic surveillance, pro-gun rights and has only opposed a few military spending programs, while supporting dozens of other military budget hikes.

Yet he butts heads with his own party about social issues all the time. Even look at the torture bill that just went though.

Thats not a social issue dipshit. But yes John McCain proposed a ban on torture, and Republicans supported it to. The thing is, the administration is using techniques that are not considered torture by the Geneve Conventions. McCains bill was outlawing the use of torture, not the use of cohersive techniques that are currently in use.

I wasn't implying that McCain was a democrat, but he is a left leaning conservative I.E Centrist, moderate, middle of the road.

I'm going to quote you again. You said: "If you look at the way McCain votes, you'd think that he was a neo-liberal"

Now you're changing your story again. Now you're saying he is "Centrist, moderate, middle of the road"???

Why don't you just kill yourself? It seems like you are intentionally trying to lose the argument. You've already lost because now you completely changed your original false claims that you made in the beginning that I called you on. Now you're just validating my original argument.

John Mccain and Bill Clinton are both charismatic people, but they are not similar politically.

They are both centrists. Yes, they do vary a little bit on their policy, but overall, they are very close to the middle.

John McCain is NOT a centrist he has the 3rd most conservative voting record in the 109th congress (our current). Bill Clinton is NOT a centrist, he shares every policy that Nancy Pilosi has, Bill Clinton is more liberal than Hillary.

Listen, you really don't have any clue what you're saying. You've proven that you don't know shit about politics, let alone economics. You make up bullshit to cover your tracks and deny facts if they are inconvenient to your wacky beliefs.

Just be a man and concede the argument. I don't think you can keep taking such a raping without being thoroughly emotionally damaged.

[cellardoor6]

At 11/2/06 03:28 AM, mofomojo wrote: Ah, what the hell. Cellardoor doesn't have any valid philosophies about ethics or morals, he works for an Israeli Weapons company, he's just discrediting the left for being more pacifist and more balanced and settled than the right. Naturally, anybody with interests in the arms industry would be against any form of peace, right? Unless, it's the suppressive - 'he's dead so he's no longer fighting' type-of-peace that builds grudges with people like say... family members or other members of the community.

You must be high.

In short, he's protecting his own interests here by ardently supporting American imperialism and international conflict. wtg, you really make yourself seem like a jackass. That and he's only been on this board for about 5 months, I've been here for nearly 3 years. He's a disruption in the general political climate here and openly trolls against others to advance his own interests.

Is that what you think? You think its some great big conspiracy on my part? You think I'm furthering my own interests by debating with people on a website devoted to flash media? How incredibly retarded can someone get? You have reached new lows in stupidity.

You have to devote an entire post just to create a conspiracy theory against me? Haha I am the great zionist supporter and I sow the seeds for world domination by debating with TEENAGERS ON NEWGROUNDS....

From henceforth you have absolutely ZERO credibility.

Anybody who manufactures weapons for Israel has no disdain or regard for human life, in my opinion, and speaks with a type of zeal that kills.

Israel is a sovereign, international law-abiding nation with a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government as opposed to its enemies who are theocractic dictatorships that are blood thirsty and bent conquering the world and spreading Islam by the sword.

I feel good knowing that what I do is just a small part of Israels military predominance in the middle east. And to be quite frank I take pride knowing that I'm contributing every so slightly to Israel remaining a free country.

I weigh it this way: Western-friendly Democracy of Israel, ally of my country, is the target of terrorism. My country is a target of terrorism as well, and the common trait of these terrorists is anti-Americanism and general jew-killing, christian-killing ferver. Therefore I will support Israel and my conscience is content.

Besides, the guns I work on don't even go to Israel they go to American police. So suck my balls.

Not that I like to favor sides in the present middle eastern conflic there, but manufacturing weapons for Israel is the same as manufacturing weapons for Hezbollah or Hamas. They're both equally ruthless and disregarding of human life to advance their own goals in a very prejudiced, violent and discriminating manner. And they both have a fairly equal amount of blood and dirt on their hands.

You're wrong. If Hezbollah or Hamas had 1/100th the military power that Israel has, there would hundreds of thousands of dead Israelis. Israel has the capability to completely obliterate Palestine AND Lebanon if they chose too, but Israel doesn't because they have decency and are only seeking self-preservation and the welfare of their people.

Hamas and Hezbollah really don't give a fuck about their people, they just want to kill as many Jews and Christians as possible. If their own people are caught in the crossfire, all the better for them because they use their propaganda machine to blame it all on Israel even though almost all the innocent Palestinian and Lebanese that have died were used as human shields by Islamic militants. They use THEIR OWN CHILDREN AS HUMAN SHIELDS (look at picture below).

Then stupid misguided people are brainwashed to the point that you think there is some sort of moral equivalency between Israel, a democratically elected nation, and Hezbollah and Hamas, a bunch of religiously motivated, deceptive, blood thirsty, 72 virgin-seeking, MURDERS that use their own children as human shields so that they can kill Israelis and exploit the hesitation of Israeli soldiers who DO NOT WANT TO KILL INNOCENTS, but have to shoot back in order to protect their own lives???

You're a fucking loony psychotic little child who knows nothing. I've never seen the Israelis do this:

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 11/1/06 06:30 PM, mojoman89447 wrote: i was really bored and i noticed that most of the posts have something to do with democrats/liberals

So you decided to draw a division line when what is necessary in order to not tie things up in legislation is unity and compromise? Thanks a whole lot you're really helping us not stay divided and at each other's throats. I hope it's of some amusement to you.

[fli]

At 11/2/06 01:44 AM, Jose wrote: They [Clinton and McCain] are both centrists. Yes, they do vary a little bit on their policy, but overall, they are very close to the middle.

Okayyyyyyy....

No.

They do not call themselves Centrists.
They call themselves Democrates or Republicans.

If you base it on what they've done,
then I'm a Centerist too in many things.

However... no.
I'm Liberal Democrate, because I know there isn't no neautral ground on certain issues... especially the gay rights issue.

[Raguel]

Arguing with cellar door is like playing tennis against a wall..................that cheats.

You might have the technique, the strategy and the tactics, but you'll never win. He'll argue blindly against you, taking a couple of key words from your post and using them to make out that you have actually made an entirely different point altogether.

And on politics, I'm a nationalist.

Sinn Fein. Fine Gael.

Although that's kind of contradictory in itself.

:I know you don't understand but there are other countries.

[Mr-Coffee]

Nice thread, FLAME BUCKET! Anyway, I won't get into any of these arguments unless I see something profoundly ignorant, but I will state my political affiliation. Conservative Republican.